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quoted 6 lines From: kenny ***** <kenny****@gmail.com>

> From: kenny ***** <kenny****@gmail.com> > > richard james appears to create new genres everytime he releases > originally, idm was a poor attempt to quantify his now classic works > (which is also the origins of this list) > i wonder if analord will spark a renewed interest in lush compos?

learn your history, or at least read the IDM charter before you talk about what the list quantifies. you sound like the guy who asked if electro was a subgenre of IDM. the only thing analord is going to spark is a bunch of retro mp3s. -e --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

did I ask that? Are you sure I wasn't being a wee bit sarcastic?

quoted 9 lines learn your history, or at least read the IDM charter before you talk about

> >learn your history, or at least read the IDM charter before you talk about >what the list quantifies. you sound like the guy who asked if electro was a >subgenre of IDM. > >the only thing analord is going to spark is a bunch of retro mp3s. > >-e >

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IDM charter????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! that really made me lol On Monday, September 26, 2005, at 06:58 PM, Eric wrote:

quoted 20 lines From: kenny ***** <kenny****@gmail.com>

>> From: kenny ***** <kenny****@gmail.com> >> >> richard james appears to create new genres everytime he releases >> originally, idm was a poor attempt to quantify his now classic works >> (which is also the origins of this list) >> i wonder if analord will spark a renewed interest in lush compos? > > learn your history, or at least read the IDM charter before you talk > about what the list quantifies. you sound like the guy who asked if > electro was a subgenre of IDM. > > the only thing analord is going to spark is a bunch of retro mp3s. > > -e > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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WE, THE BEEPLES, OF THE UNISON STATES OF POLYPHONY... On 9/26/05, Mark <mark@psilos.net> wrote:

quoted 31 lines IDM charter????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! that really made me

> IDM charter????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!! that really made me > lol > On Monday, September 26, 2005, at 06:58 PM, Eric wrote: > > >> From: kenny ***** <kenny****@gmail.com> > >> > >> richard james appears to create new genres everytime he releases > >> originally, idm was a poor attempt to quantify his now classic works > >> (which is also the origins of this list) > >> i wonder if analord will spark a renewed interest in lush compos? > > > > learn your history, or at least read the IDM charter before you talk > > about what the list quantifies. you sound like the guy who asked if > > electro was a subgenre of IDM. > > > > the only thing analord is going to spark is a bunch of retro mp3s. > > > > -e > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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people have conversations that are more than a series of question asking the discussion was about genres, perhaps you've been following the wrong thread? here's the link to the IDM page http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/idm/ you might want to read the first sentence i've been around since rdj only had tiny vinyl releases, trying to get my buddies to get em at the uk record stores (they were very hard to get, even back then) i certainly remember when the IDM term first started circulating in the rags and i still maintain that the term idm is a poor description of the music he pioneered but that was the point of the conversation and how the conversation began you haven't insulted me, you just appear confused maybe you should take your own advice? On 9/26/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote:

quoted 11 lines the point was to actually have conversation on the list

> > > the point was to actually have conversation on the list > > not an excuse to be a twat > > you must mean your "i wonder..." question. it's the only conversational > part of your post because the bit before that is completely unrelated to > it. i responded to both. > > if you don't think that sparking a retro bedroom producer craze is a > valid reaction to the analords then say so rather than being insulting. >

[the first sentence continues after "aphex twin", though.] eric the point was that you're trying to debase listmembers opinions with something you obviously have no knowledge of while noone said "aphex twin roolz", he did kinda start the movement (although you might not be aware of that) ["aphex twin roolz" isn't a comment on all the great genres that IDM is responsible for. whatever those are.] it sounds like you don't like idm at all perhaps you could find another list from which you could vocally defecate upon as you've already taken the i out of this IDM list btw i think sparking a bedroom producer craze would be friggin awesome we need more independent music makers On 9/26/05, Eric <eric@synthesizer.org> wrote:

quoted 53 lines kenny ***** wrote:

> > kenny ***** wrote: > > people have conversations that are more than a series of question asking > > the discussion was about genres, perhaps you've been following the wrong > > thread? > > nope. "aphex twin roolz" isn't a comment on all the great genres that > IDM is responsible for. whatever those are. > > > here's the link to the IDM page > > http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/idm/ > > you might want to read the first sentence > > the first sentence continues after "aphex twin", though. > > > i've been around since rdj only had tiny vinyl releases, > > trying to get my buddies to get em at the uk record stores (they were > > very hard to get, even back then) > > i certainly remember when the IDM term first started circulating in the > rags > > and i still maintain that the term idm is a poor description of the > > music he pioneered > > > > but that was the point of the conversation and how the conversation > began > > only if you think genres related to idm means genres related to aphex > twin. it's a stupid thread anyway, especially when people mention grime > in this context. > > > > > > you haven't insulted me, you just appear confused > > maybe you should take your own advice? > > > > > > > > On 9/26/05, *Eric* < eric@synthesizer.org <mailto:eric@synthesizer.org>> > > wrote: > > > > > the point was to actually have conversation on the list > > > not an excuse to be a twat > > > > you must mean your "i wonder..." question. it's the only conversational > > part of your post because the bit before that is completely > > unrelated to > > it. i responded to both. > > > > if you don't think that sparking a retro bedroom producer craze is a > > valid reaction to the analords then say so rather than being insulting. > > > > >

that is not the only craze that's been sparked in my bedroom. we're out there. you just can't see us. On 9/27/05, kenny ***** <kenny****@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 3 lines btw

> btw > i think sparking a bedroom producer craze would be friggin awesome > we need more independent music makers

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rock it bro post some tracks when you get a chance On 9/27/05, Jong-Ilist Massive <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 14 lines that is not the only craze that's been sparked in my bedroom. we're

> > that is not the only craze that's been sparked in my bedroom. we're > out there. you just can't see us. > > On 9/27/05, kenny ***** <kenny****@gmail.com> wrote: > > btw > > i think sparking a bedroom producer craze would be friggin awesome > > we need more independent music makers > > -- > pete lastname > meatsock@gmail.com > www.grep-fu.net <http://www.grep-fu.net> >

www.grep-fu.net/pms-era is my current 'project' myspace.com/meatsockisthebomb harder stuff myspace.com/edhoc breakier stuff grep-fu.net/blog radio show archive On 9/27/05, kenny ***** <kenny****@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 20 lines rock it bro

> rock it bro > post some tracks when you get a chance > > On 9/27/05, Jong-Ilist Massive <meatsock@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > that is not the only craze that's been sparked in my bedroom. we're > > out there. you just can't see us. > > > > On 9/27/05, kenny ***** <kenny****@gmail.com> wrote: > > > btw > > > i think sparking a bedroom producer craze would be friggin awesome > > > we need more independent music makers > > > > -- > > pete lastname > > meatsock@gmail.com > > www.grep-fu.net <http://www.grep-fu.net> > > > >

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Fuckin A, anyone who argues that Twin is not the godfather of IDM is a fucking fool. kenny ***** <kenny****@gmail.com> wrote:[the first sentence continues after "aphex twin", though.] eric the point was that you're trying to debase listmembers opinions with something you obviously have no knowledge of while noone said "aphex twin roolz", he did kinda start the movement (although you might not be aware of that) ["aphex twin roolz" isn't a comment on all the great genres that IDM is responsible for. whatever those are.] it sounds like you don't like idm at all perhaps you could find another list from which you could vocally defecate upon as you've already taken the i out of this IDM list btw i think sparking a bedroom producer craze would be friggin awesome we need more independent music makers On 9/26/05, Eric wrote:

quoted 53 lines kenny ***** wrote:

> > kenny ***** wrote: > > people have conversations that are more than a series of question asking > > the discussion was about genres, perhaps you've been following the wrong > > thread? > > nope. "aphex twin roolz" isn't a comment on all the great genres that > IDM is responsible for. whatever those are. > > > here's the link to the IDM page > > http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/idm/ > > you might want to read the first sentence > > the first sentence continues after "aphex twin", though. > > > i've been around since rdj only had tiny vinyl releases, > > trying to get my buddies to get em at the uk record stores (they were > > very hard to get, even back then) > > i certainly remember when the IDM term first started circulating in the > rags > > and i still maintain that the term idm is a poor description of the > > music he pioneered > > > > but that was the point of the conversation and how the conversation > began > > only if you think genres related to idm means genres related to aphex > twin. it's a stupid thread anyway, especially when people mention grime > in this context. > > > > > > you haven't insulted me, you just appear confused > > maybe you should take your own advice? > > > > > > > > On 9/26/05, *Eric* < eric@synthesizer.org > > > wrote: > > > > > the point was to actually have conversation on the list > > > not an excuse to be a twat > > > > you must mean your "i wonder..." question. it's the only conversational > > part of your post because the bit before that is completely > > unrelated to > > it. i responded to both. > > > > if you don't think that sparking a retro bedroom producer craze is a > > valid reaction to the analords then say so rather than being insulting. > > > > >

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On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 10:45:40AM +0000, dj fishead wrote:

quoted 2 lines Investigate the likes of Arthur Brown, Delia Derbyshire, Neu, early Portion

> Investigate the likes of Arthur Brown, Delia Derbyshire, Neu, early Portion > Control, Wire...

Interesting one, this. I love Wire - probably my favourite band - but I've never thought of them as being very IDM. I suppose you could make a case for some of the late-80s/early-90s stuff, or the sonic experiments around the time of 154. Maybe I should play You Hung Your Lights In The Trees/A Craftsman's Touch out in my DJ set this weekend. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 12 lines On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 10:45:40AM +0000, dj fishead wrote:

>On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 10:45:40AM +0000, dj fishead wrote: > > Investigate the likes of Arthur Brown, Delia Derbyshire, Neu, early >Portion > > Control, Wire... > >Interesting one, this. I love Wire - probably my favourite band - but I've >never thought of them as being very IDM. I suppose you could make a case >for some of the late-80s/early-90s stuff, or the sonic experiments around >the time of 154. > >Maybe I should play You Hung Your Lights In The Trees/A Craftsman's Touch >out in my DJ set this weekend.

154 is a pretty phenomenal record - and the number of artists that have covered the band (Big Black, Fischerspooner, Dabrye, Mike Watt and Lush - who did a great version of Outdoor Miner as a b-side)... It's not quote-unquote idm - but their songwriting was pretty damn influential - and various member did move in substantially more electronic directions with their solo work. There are a ridiculous number of non-idm works that have had a substantial influence on this whole fandangled idm thing - and I guess my point is that it's rather near-sighted to cite someone directly involved with the whole movement (even though he seems to be more fond of calling it braindance) as the godfather of it all... especially when he's a bit of johnny come-lately alongside someone like Stockhausen. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On the question of Wire being a much-covered band, I have a CD called 'Whore' (given away by The Wire magazine years ago) that assembles a whole shedload of various artists covering Wire songs. On the issue of whether Wire have anything to do with the Sub-genre Latterly Known As 'IDM', consider this extract from a pop matters piece: "Wire's flirtations with a nascent techno sound and its attendant beats burgeoned into a fully declared romance fashioned from synths and sequencers on Manscape (1990). However, Manscape stands as somewhat of a nadir in the Wire corpus -- Colin Newman himself describing it as a "really good record," albeit "badly recorded [and] really badly mixed." Much of the band's creative edge is blunted in this arguably overproduced affair that sees the embrace of newer technology yielding for the most part unremarkable, although vaguely danceable results." <http://www.popmatters.com/music/reviews/w/wire-reissues.shtml> Personally, I used to get off on jerking limbs (usually my own) not too stupidly to 'Eardrum Buzz'. alan --On 27 September 2005 11:55 +0000 dj fishead <fishead666@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 33 lines On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 10:45:40AM +0000, dj fishead wrote:

>> On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 10:45:40AM +0000, dj fishead wrote: >> > Investigate the likes of Arthur Brown, Delia Derbyshire, Neu, early >> Portion >> > Control, Wire... >> >> Interesting one, this. I love Wire - probably my favourite band - but >> I've never thought of them as being very IDM. I suppose you could make a >> case for some of the late-80s/early-90s stuff, or the sonic experiments >> around the time of 154. >> >> Maybe I should play You Hung Your Lights In The Trees/A Craftsman's Touch >> out in my DJ set this weekend. > > 154 is a pretty phenomenal record - and the number of artists that have > covered the band (Big Black, Fischerspooner, Dabrye, Mike Watt and Lush - > who did a great version of Outdoor Miner as a b-side)... It's not > quote-unquote idm - but their songwriting was pretty damn influential - > and various member did move in substantially more electronic directions > with their solo work. > > There are a ridiculous number of non-idm works that have had a > substantial influence on this whole fandangled idm thing - and I guess my > point is that it's rather near-sighted to cite someone directly involved > with the whole movement (even though he seems to be more fond of calling > it braindance) as the godfather of it all... especially when he's a bit > of johnny come-lately alongside someone like Stockhausen. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On Tue, Sep 27, 2005 at 01:23:29PM +0100, Alan Lockett wrote:

quoted 9 lines "Wire's flirtations with a nascent techno sound and its attendant beats

> "Wire's flirtations with a nascent techno sound and its attendant beats > burgeoned into a fully declared romance fashioned from synths and > sequencers on Manscape (1990). However, Manscape stands as somewhat of a > nadir in the Wire corpus -- Colin Newman himself describing it as a "really > good record," albeit "badly recorded [and] really badly mixed." Much of the > band's creative edge is blunted in this arguably overproduced affair that > sees the embrace of newer technology yielding for the most part > unremarkable, although vaguely danceable results." > <http://www.popmatters.com/music/reviews/w/wire-reissues.shtml>

(For what it's worth, a demolition-job/cover of Map Ref's in my current live set.) You Hung Your Lights in the Trees is the last track on Manscape; it's definitely electronic, though whether it'd win the approval of amiIDMornot.com is an open question. It's the best thing on the record by a mile, though. Someone so needs to register that domain. Andrew --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org