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How interesting: encoding the album with a new technology called Audio Layering. Basically the foils in the cd reveal new audio only when the cd is played in its entirety over time. Similar to when you win a video game and receive keys to hidden levels. So this is a neat feature that you will not get if you have a burnt copy. Does anyone have that "decoder" that you could get at the album release? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? http://my.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Well this would be very interesting indeed - perhaps the standard laser heats the areas of the layers and changes the reflective characteristic? Also there is the issue of conforming to redbook specs etc so that any CD player could play it. On another note, I notice this "effect" is a characteristc of IDM music. You fell you're familiar with something and then another melody, break, stucture etc. seems to materialize out of thin air. Though I couldn't honestly say that whole empty areas have produced sounds (that weren't echoes in my head). I wonder if I'm not getting half the music with my unencrypted itunes purchases? David Mcpherson wrote:

quoted 11 lines How interesting:

> How interesting: > > encoding the album with a new technology called Audio > Layering. Basically the foils in the cd reveal new > audio only when the cd is played in its entirety over > time. Similar to when you win a video game and receive > keys to hidden levels. So this is a neat feature that > you will not get if you have a burnt copy. > > Does anyone have that "decoder" that you could get at > the album release

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On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 14:26:27 -0800 (PST), David Mcpherson <generentropy@yahoo.com> wrote:

quoted 11 lines How interesting:

> How interesting: > > encoding the album with a new technology called Audio > Layering. Basically the foils in the cd reveal new > audio only when the cd is played in its entirety over > time. Similar to when you win a video game and receive > keys to hidden levels. So this is a neat feature that > you will not get if you have a burnt copy. > > Does anyone have that "decoder" that you could get at > the album release?

sounds like BS to me, first of all if a foil is what I think it is (not a native english speaker) then that's the first piece of BS, since a CD doesn't have foils or grooves, the data is encoded in little holes or dots burned into the CD's plastic surface This technique would imply that somehow extra data gets added to the CD "on the fly" as it's being played, which would mean that CD is a neato piece of nanotechnology. Or this would mean some sort of residue sound would have to remain or be build up in the CD players memory as it plays the tracks and as far as I know a CD player simply doesn't have this kind of memory. Car cd-players have a miminal buffer to avoid skipping, but I doubt any CD player would have enough memory on board to keep track of hidden encoded signatures over the length of a full CD or even several minutes. The reference to video games makes no sense, that's comparing a dead piece of plastic with software, and with software, anything can be done. But it's a good stunt to give the CD some extra attention though. -- "progress doesn't come from early risers progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things" http://n3wjack.blogspot.com http://www.jungletrain.net - 24/7 dnb radio station Plenty of gmail invites left, let me know if you want one. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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what cd is this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Mcpherson" <generentropy@yahoo.com> To: "IngingDakMoip" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 4:26 PM Subject: [idm] Secret Frequency Encryption

quoted 24 lines How interesting:

> How interesting: > > encoding the album with a new technology called Audio > Layering. Basically the foils in the cd reveal new > audio only when the cd is played in its entirety over > time. Similar to when you win a video game and receive > keys to hidden levels. So this is a neat feature that > you will not get if you have a burnt copy. > > Does anyone have that "decoder" that you could get at > the album release? > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > http://my.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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The new one, "Forest of the Echo Downs". I was listening to it last night, too, there are a few new sounds I'm not sure I've heard before. It's hard to tell on an album thats so complex and layered to begin with, but I think I've listened to it enough times to "unlock" some of the album. I'm wondering on a few of the tracks there are these wierd pauses, that I thought were just there for dramatic effect, in the middle of a track, and I wonder if something is gonna appear there now, or someday. Fucking cool idea, que no? --- Nathan Judd <nathan_judd@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 35 lines what cd is this?

> what cd is this? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Mcpherson" <generentropy@yahoo.com> > To: "IngingDakMoip" <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 4:26 PM > Subject: [idm] Secret Frequency Encryption > > > > How interesting: > > > > encoding the album with a new technology called > Audio > > Layering. Basically the foils in the cd reveal new > > audio only when the cd is played in its entirety > over > > time. Similar to when you win a video game and > receive > > keys to hidden levels. So this is a neat feature > that > > you will not get if you have a burnt copy. > > > > Does anyone have that "decoder" that you could get > at > > the album release? > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? > > http://my.yahoo.com > > > > >

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Where did you get this information? It seems very unlikely that any changes would happen over time in the digital audio stream (mid-track). Like for instance adding in one sound on top of other sounds, or in silent areas. But, I am not familiar with this... So, I really can't say... Its interesting though. I'd like to see the technical details on it. -e- Ed Colmar Time Slips By www.timeslipsby.com David Mcpherson wrote:

quoted 117 lines The new one, "Forest of the Echo Downs". I was

>The new one, "Forest of the Echo Downs". I was >listening to it last night, too, there are a few new >sounds I'm not sure I've heard before. It's hard to >tell on an album thats so complex and layered to begin >with, but I think I've listened to it enough times to >"unlock" some of the album. I'm wondering on a few of >the tracks there are these wierd pauses, that I >thought were just there for dramatic effect, in the >middle of a track, and I wonder if something is gonna >appear there now, or someday. Fucking cool idea, que >no? >--- Nathan Judd <nathan_judd@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > >>what cd is this? >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "David Mcpherson" <generentropy@yahoo.com> >>To: "IngingDakMoip" <idm@hyperreal.org> >>Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 4:26 PM >>Subject: [idm] Secret Frequency Encryption >> >> >> >> >>>How interesting: >>> >>>encoding the album with a new technology called >>> >>> >>Audio >> >> >>>Layering. Basically the foils in the cd reveal new >>>audio only when the cd is played in its entirety >>> >>> >>over >> >> >>>time. Similar to when you win a video game and >>> >>> >>receive >> >> >>>keys to hidden levels. So this is a neat feature >>> >>> >>that >> >> >>>you will not get if you have a burnt copy. >>> >>>Does anyone have that "decoder" that you could get >>> >>> >>at >> >> >>>the album release? >>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>The all-new My Yahoo! - What will yours do? >>>http://my.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>> >>> >>idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> >> >>>For additional commands, e-mail: >>> >>> >>idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >>> >>> >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: >>idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> >> > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > >

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At 03:14 PM 07/02/2005, David Mcpherson wrote:

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>http://forum.electroalliance.net/viewtopic.php?t=3126

I suspect that this is a joke/hoax. If this technology really existed, and was capable of being implemented on regular CDs that are playable on regular CD players, I think there would've been a lot more coverage & a lot more CDs released using the technology. A Google search on "Audio layering" doesn't bring up anything on this technology, at least not in the first 10 pages or so of search results. Greg :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Greg Clow ::: greg@stainedproductions.com ::::::::: concert & event promotions ::: http://www.stainedproductions.com :::::: electronic music radio & reviews ::: http://www.feedbackmonitor.com ::: electronic/experimental record label ::: http://www.pieheadrecords.com ::::::::: 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor ::: Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 ::: Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

:: If this technology really existed, and was capable of being implemented on :: regular CDs that are playable on regular CD players, I think there would've :: been a lot more coverage & a lot more CDs released using the technology. Yeh seems like they are trying to catch a few people out .. or at least gain some attention while there is a buzz about it. Tim. [[ www.jojati.com/tkoch ]] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org