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i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the question into sharper relief. how much do visuals and/or performer action/interaction mean to you as an audience member? i ask because the increasing amount of music being created on laptops inevitably brings up the question of what to do live. the most valiant and effective effort i recall was seeing styrofoam open for the notwist. in addition to his laptop, he had a keyboard, a mixer, some effects, and he sang. i bought his CD right after he played. however, other people i've seen have been pretty boring, and though the music has been good, i find myself wishing i was elsewhere, listening to their CD. some such artists respond to the live challenge by attempting to make small motions or faces that let us know something is happening, treating us to unreleased material or exclusive "live remixes", or simply playing really loud. but to me all these things are miniscule. there isn't much to see, to connect with as far as what the artist has put into it. even projected visuals can only do so much. does anybody else care about this? or are you content to go to electronic music shows for things like community, higher volume, exclusive merchandise, different mixes? perhaps the problem is attempting to judge electronic music performances by "rock show" standards. however, they frequently play in the same venues, and are both put up on stage as though there's something to see. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

yeah we've been through this 6 gizallion times in numerous groups. basicly, some full on bands (i.e. let's say death cab) are boring as fuck live also the silver apples. some laptop performers are really entertaining live i.e. Richard Devine who's all into and flying over 2 - 3 laptops, Jan Jelineck who gets real into his groove, Donna Summer from what I understand rocks the laptop, Doormouse is a world class performer. I mean really, bob Dylan has a full on band live and doesn't do much, meanwhile you got like Funkstorung rocking out behind their laptops. it's just an instrument like anything else, if you rock, you rock, if you don't, you don't. Is it really that much more interesting to watch some person with a guitar sign and play? - a On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 06:14 PM, chthonic wrote:

quoted 41 lines i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the

> i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the > question into sharper relief. > > how much do visuals and/or performer action/interaction mean to > you as an audience member? > > i ask because the increasing amount of music being created on > laptops inevitably brings up the question of what to do live. the > most valiant and effective effort i recall was seeing styrofoam open > for the notwist. in addition to his laptop, he had a keyboard, a > mixer, some effects, and he sang. i bought his CD right after he > played. > > however, other people i've seen have been pretty boring, and > though the music has been good, i find myself wishing i was > elsewhere, listening to their CD. some such artists respond to the > live challenge by attempting to make small motions or faces that > let us know something is happening, treating us to unreleased > material or exclusive "live remixes", or simply playing really loud. > but to me all these things are miniscule. there isn't much to see, > to connect with as far as what the artist has put into it. even > projected visuals can only do so much. > > does anybody else care about this? or are you content to go to > electronic music shows for things like community, higher volume, > exclusive merchandise, different mixes? > > perhaps the problem is attempting to judge electronic music > performances by "rock show" standards. however, they frequently > play in the same venues, and are both put up on stage as though > there's something to see. > > > d. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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After seeing Jamie Lidell sing his soul on the line while adding crazy feedback and looping it all over town, which was just after DNTEL was on rocking the accordion while tweaking knobs with <unsure of name> jamming on the elec guitar at a warp show a while back, I came to the conclusion that a live show doesnt get to happen often and pressing play is something i can do at home. Although, I am not picky. Adequate and relevant visuals add a lot, real time creation on any type of instrument is a treat, singing, dancing, heck even otto on the recent schematic show in a wig with mic was welcome, as silly as it was. I tend to look away when its just a person and a laptop and that eerie glow upon their intent, yet unenthusiastic face. But I still tend to go, because often you don't know what's going to happen. Plus, if the town doesn't draw that many of the bigger names, people gotta take what they can get in order to get out of the house and hear the stuff they love but just a little bit louder. cD --- chthonic <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote:

quoted 6 lines i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the

> i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the > question into sharper relief. > > how much do visuals and/or performer action/interaction mean to > you as an audience member? >

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quoted 4 lines does anybody else care about this? or are you content to go to

> > does anybody else care about this? or are you content to go to > electronic music shows for things like community, higher volume, > exclusive merchandise, different mixes?

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I've been working on a live project for a while now where we're trying to make an electronic show that's more like seeing a live band, even though all of us are 'playing' g4 powerbooks... we're calling ourselves 'lan party' - the idea is that i'm playing original music sequenced in live (current project: a composition based on pictures taken with my sanyo picture phone transduced into sound) or mixing records on my turntables. that mixer gets fed into my friend papageno's sound board, where it gets tweaked out on two laptops running max/msp (he also plays analog synth lines sometimes). he then sends me back the audio, where it's blended with the original turntable output. the master out is fed into a third guy's laptop, where he uses the sound to sequence anime clips in jitter. as of now we've got the music portion sorted. we're working on the video portion - if the jitter idea ends up looking like crap, we'll probably just run some pre-made video, but i'd like it to be live if possible. hopefully we'll begin playing shows in december - we haven't recorded a demo in a long, long time, and our sound has changed quite a bit since we began working on it. oh, and we're still trying to recruit a jitter user. papageno knows it really well, but he'll be too busy to do the video when we play live. we live in Gainesville, Florida in case anyone is interested. -wil m. --- chthonic <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote:

quoted 40 lines i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the

> i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the > question into sharper relief. > > how much do visuals and/or performer action/interaction mean to > you as an audience member? > > i ask because the increasing amount of music being created on > laptops inevitably brings up the question of what to do live. the > most valiant and effective effort i recall was seeing styrofoam open > for the notwist. in addition to his laptop, he had a keyboard, a > mixer, some effects, and he sang. i bought his CD right after he > played. > > however, other people i've seen have been pretty boring, and > though the music has been good, i find myself wishing i was > elsewhere, listening to their CD. some such artists respond to the > live challenge by attempting to make small motions or faces that > let us know something is happening, treating us to unreleased > material or exclusive "live remixes", or simply playing really loud. > but to me all these things are miniscule. there isn't much to see, > to connect with as far as what the artist has put into it. even > projected visuals can only do so much. > > does anybody else care about this? or are you content to go to > electronic music shows for things like community, higher volume, > exclusive merchandise, different mixes? > > perhaps the problem is attempting to judge electronic music > performances by "rock show" standards. however, they frequently > play in the same venues, and are both put up on stage as though > there's something to see. > > > d. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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I for one want to see some sort of interaction between the performer and the audience, or at least some semblance of a performance involving music making equipment (laptops, keyboards, things with knobs and lights. If a show is done entirely with a laptop, then backing visuals are nice. It shows the artist has some degree of consideration for the audience. Otherwise it feels like they didn't want to bother with the entertaining part of the show. I don't care what they use to make music, but i care about how it's presented in a live setting. Anne :) chthonic <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote: i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the question into sharper relief. how much do visuals and/or performer action/interaction mean to you as an audience member? i ask because the increasing amount of music being created on laptops inevitably brings up the question of what to do live. the most valiant and effective effort i recall was seeing styrofoam open for the notwist. in addition to his laptop, he had a keyboard, a mixer, some effects, and he sang. i bought his CD right after he played. however, other people i've seen have been pretty boring, and though the music has been good, i find myself wishing i was elsewhere, listening to their CD. some such artists respond to the live challenge by attempting to make small motions or faces that let us know something is happening, treating us to unreleased material or exclusive "live remixes", or simply playing really loud. but to me all these things are miniscule. there isn't much to see, to connect with as far as what the artist has put into it. even projected visuals can only do so much. does anybody else care about this? or are you content to go to electronic music shows for things like community, higher volume, exclusive merchandise, different mixes? perhaps the problem is attempting to judge electronic music performances by "rock show" standards. however, they frequently play in the same venues, and are both put up on stage as though there's something to see. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard

I'm a drummer who plays live beats electronic. Why do I do it? To make the music interactive with the listener. Some artist give us a show or wear a fuzzy wig while others focus on their decks/computer screens like they're in they're studio at home. But a great artist gives the listener an interactive experience that feeds off the energy of a live room making the experience superior to listening at home. I don't care how they do it, but they make the listener an important part of that show. They did it twenty years ago when they were playing gigs off a Commodore 64 and/or a DAT and they'll be doing it in 20 years on whatever is the instrument of choice. But the medium should never supercede the need to involve a listener in your art form. Live performance is a language that's fairly new to electronic artists so I'm still excited to watch someone pull off music that's interesting, even if the show is inferior to your average 80's metal band. But eventually I'll expect the same professionalism/excitement in a live electronic show. Remember when Meat Beat Manifesto? They were exciting as hell! Remember how much Trent Reznor sucked on his first two tours ( w/ Jesus/Mary Chain then Ministry) when he was still trying to pull off a Robert Smith thing on stage? He figured it out and we will too. I'm excited to watch and listen as we do so. Mark -----Original Message----- From: chthonic [mailto:chthonic@chthonicstreams.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:15 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: [idm] laptop shows i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the question into sharper relief. how much do visuals and/or performer action/interaction mean to you as an audience member? i ask because the increasing amount of music being created on laptops inevitably brings up the question of what to do live. the most valiant and effective effort i recall was seeing styrofoam open for the notwist. in addition to his laptop, he had a keyboard, a mixer, some effects, and he sang. i bought his CD right after he played. however, other people i've seen have been pretty boring, and though the music has been good, i find myself wishing i was elsewhere, listening to their CD. some such artists respond to the live challenge by attempting to make small motions or faces that let us know something is happening, treating us to unreleased material or exclusive "live remixes", or simply playing really loud. but to me all these things are miniscule. there isn't much to see, to connect with as far as what the artist has put into it. even projected visuals can only do so much. does anybody else care about this? or are you content to go to electronic music shows for things like community, higher volume, exclusive merchandise, different mixes? perhaps the problem is attempting to judge electronic music performances by "rock show" standards. however, they frequently play in the same venues, and are both put up on stage as though there's something to see. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 6 lines basicly, some full on bands (i.e. let's say death cab)

> basicly, some full on bands (i.e. let's say death cab) > are boring as fuck live also the silver apples. > some laptop performers are really entertaining live i.e. > Richard Devine who's all into and flying over 2 - 3 laptops, >. I mean really, bob Dylan has a full on > band live and doesn't do much, meanwhile you got

if you think bands like death cab for cutie, silver apples, and bob dylan's band "don't do much" live and are boring and think Richard Devine standing behind a laptop making air guitar faces is better and more entertaining you must be nuts. just my opinion of course. carry on, kiya --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

nah, a lot of full on bands just stand there, a lot of laptop guys get into their shit. big difference. and here Richard was thrasing around behind the stage. Doormouse live is a show show though. got in a cheerleader's outfit and screamed in the middle of the crowd. great show. -a On Wednesday, November 5, 2003, at 06:40 PM, kiya "i am a copier" babzani wrote:

quoted 23 lines basicly, some full on bands (i.e. let's say death cab)

>> basicly, some full on bands (i.e. let's say death cab) >> are boring as fuck live also the silver apples. >> some laptop performers are really entertaining live i.e. >> Richard Devine who's all into and flying over 2 - 3 laptops, >> . I mean really, bob Dylan has a full on >> band live and doesn't do much, meanwhile you got > > if you think bands like death cab for cutie, silver apples, and bob > dylan's band "don't do much" > live and are boring and think Richard Devine standing behind a laptop > making air guitar faces is > better and more entertaining you must be nuts. > just my opinion of course. > > carry on, > kiya > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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the best live show I ever saw was actually a white zombie concert. they had this amazing stage show, with all sorts of crazy lighting sequenced to the music, with this bizarre black & white footage projected onto a giant devil's head, pyrotechnics galore... there were only four people on this giant stage and everybody was just mesmerized. that said, i don't really like white zombie very much. never did. but it was a GREAT concert. --- "kiya \"i am a copier\" babzani" <denial@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

quoted 22 lines basicly, some full on bands (i.e. let's say death cab)

> > basicly, some full on bands (i.e. let's say death cab) > > are boring as fuck live also the silver apples. > > some laptop performers are really entertaining live i.e. > > Richard Devine who's all into and flying over 2 - 3 laptops, > >. I mean really, bob Dylan has a full on > > band live and doesn't do much, meanwhile you got > > if you think bands like death cab for cutie, silver apples, and bob dylan's > band "don't do much" > live and are boring and think Richard Devine standing behind a laptop making > air guitar faces is > better and more entertaining you must be nuts. > just my opinion of course. > > carry on, > kiya > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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death for cutie headlined a four act show i saw, and were _easily_ the most boring. can't say anything about those other acts, though. ;p On Wed, Nov 05, 2003 at 03:40:45PM -0800, kiya i am a copier babzani wrote:

quoted 19 lines basicly, some full on bands (i.e. let's say death cab)

> > basicly, some full on bands (i.e. let's say death cab) > > are boring as fuck live also the silver apples. > > some laptop performers are really entertaining live i.e. > > Richard Devine who's all into and flying over 2 - 3 laptops, > >. I mean really, bob Dylan has a full on > > band live and doesn't do much, meanwhile you got > > if you think bands like death cab for cutie, silver apples, and bob dylan's band "don't do much" > live and are boring and think Richard Devine standing behind a laptop making air guitar faces is > better and more entertaining you must be nuts. > just my opinion of course. > > carry on, > kiya > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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quoted 1 line Richard Devine who's all into and flying over 2 - 3 laptops

>Richard Devine who's all into and flying over 2 - 3 laptops

unfortunately, when i saw him he stuck to one laptop and made faces while bouncing a bit. but his CDs are killer.

quoted 3 lines Is it really that

>Is it really that >much more interesting to watch some person with >a guitar sign and play?

not inherently, no. however, i'm sure if i saw jeff buckley live when he was around, somehow that would have been great enough because of what he put into it. also, when someone sings and plays guitar, the possibility of nuance, and changes made at a moment's notice, is always there. however, if a singer/guitarist is just going to stand still and replicate every note on the CD, it's almost the same effect as laptop or DAT playback. d. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

gainesville eh? i'm in stuart ( 2 hours south of orlando and 1/2 north of west palm ) and don't know how to use jitter, guess that makes me useless. *shrug* ----- Original Message ----- From: "wil maurer" <battleforitaly@yahoo.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows

quoted 1 line I've been working on a live project for a while now where we're trying to

> I've been working on a live project for a while now where we're trying to

make

quoted 1 line an electronic show that's more like seeing a live band, even though all of

> an electronic show that's more like seeing a live band, even though all of

us

quoted 3 lines are 'playing' g4 powerbooks...

> are 'playing' g4 powerbooks... > > we're calling ourselves 'lan party' - the idea is that i'm playing

original

quoted 1 line music sequenced in live (current project: a composition based on pictures

> music sequenced in live (current project: a composition based on pictures

taken

quoted 2 lines with my sanyo picture phone transduced into sound) or mixing records on my

> with my sanyo picture phone transduced into sound) or mixing records on my > turntables. that mixer gets fed into my friend papageno's sound board,

where it

quoted 1 line gets tweaked out on two laptops running max/msp (he also plays analog

> gets tweaked out on two laptops running max/msp (he also plays analog

synth

quoted 1 line lines sometimes). he then sends me back the audio, where it's blended with

> lines sometimes). he then sends me back the audio, where it's blended with

the

quoted 1 line original turntable output. the master out is fed into a third guy's

> original turntable output. the master out is fed into a third guy's

laptop,

quoted 4 lines where he uses the sound to sequence anime clips in jitter.

> where he uses the sound to sequence anime clips in jitter. > > as of now we've got the music portion sorted. we're working on the video > portion - if the jitter idea ends up looking like crap, we'll probably

just run

quoted 3 lines some pre-made video, but i'd like it to be live if possible.

> some pre-made video, but i'd like it to be live if possible. > > hopefully we'll begin playing shows in december - we haven't recorded a

demo in

quoted 1 line a long, long time, and our sound has changed quite a bit since we began

> a long, long time, and our sound has changed quite a bit since we began

working

quoted 3 lines on it.

> on it. > > oh, and we're still trying to recruit a jitter user. papageno knows it

really

quoted 64 lines well, but he'll be too busy to do the video when we play live.

> well, but he'll be too busy to do the video when we play live. > > we live in Gainesville, Florida in case anyone is interested. > > -wil m. > > --- chthonic <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> wrote: > > i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the > > question into sharper relief. > > > > how much do visuals and/or performer action/interaction mean to > > you as an audience member? > > > > i ask because the increasing amount of music being created on > > laptops inevitably brings up the question of what to do live. the > > most valiant and effective effort i recall was seeing styrofoam open > > for the notwist. in addition to his laptop, he had a keyboard, a > > mixer, some effects, and he sang. i bought his CD right after he > > played. > > > > however, other people i've seen have been pretty boring, and > > though the music has been good, i find myself wishing i was > > elsewhere, listening to their CD. some such artists respond to the > > live challenge by attempting to make small motions or faces that > > let us know something is happening, treating us to unreleased > > material or exclusive "live remixes", or simply playing really loud. > > but to me all these things are miniscule. there isn't much to see, > > to connect with as far as what the artist has put into it. even > > projected visuals can only do so much. > > > > does anybody else care about this? or are you content to go to > > electronic music shows for things like community, higher volume, > > exclusive merchandise, different mixes? > > > > perhaps the problem is attempting to judge electronic music > > performances by "rock show" standards. however, they frequently > > play in the same venues, and are both put up on stage as though > > there's something to see. > > > > > > d. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > ===== > _________________ > _________________ > > nao/music: http://www.mp3.com/naoko > nao/blog: http://speakerslayer.livejournal.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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On the subject of live performances and the emerging reliance on laptop computers onstage: To me, the music will be one of two things: something incredibly energetic and funky and makes me want to dance OR something that just has a nice relaxed vibe about it, regardless of tempo and makes for a great soundtrack to my regular routine. (or a bit of both) Even if a laptop was all that was on stage aside form the performer, I am more interested in what delightful creations they are unleashing. The only thing I would expect are signs from the performer that show they are at least enjoying what they are doing, even as simple as smiling. As a musician myself, I find myself analyzing the music more than the people performing, and perhaps the latter if I really enjoy their music. The music is however the reason for it all. It's art, and who cares what processes they use as long as it is good music. I would maybe be concerned if it looked like they pressed play and stood back for a few minutes at a time, but other than that, like I said, it's about the product. .......................... .....www.tractile.net..... .......................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

In my experience, it really depends on the audience more than the performer. I've seen highly "performance" based shows that were horrible, as well as shows that were nothing but music being played back that were great. It seems like kids who would specifically be into "idm" skew towards some kind of performance. But personally i just want to hear something i haven't heard before, played on a good soundsystem. If performance works for the artist, than thats good too. - geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "chthonic" <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:14 PM Subject: [idm] laptop shows

quoted 41 lines i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the

> i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the > question into sharper relief. > > how much do visuals and/or performer action/interaction mean to > you as an audience member? > > i ask because the increasing amount of music being created on > laptops inevitably brings up the question of what to do live. the > most valiant and effective effort i recall was seeing styrofoam open > for the notwist. in addition to his laptop, he had a keyboard, a > mixer, some effects, and he sang. i bought his CD right after he > played. > > however, other people i've seen have been pretty boring, and > though the music has been good, i find myself wishing i was > elsewhere, listening to their CD. some such artists respond to the > live challenge by attempting to make small motions or faces that > let us know something is happening, treating us to unreleased > material or exclusive "live remixes", or simply playing really loud. > but to me all these things are miniscule. there isn't much to see, > to connect with as far as what the artist has put into it. even > projected visuals can only do so much. > > does anybody else care about this? or are you content to go to > electronic music shows for things like community, higher volume, > exclusive merchandise, different mixes? > > perhaps the problem is attempting to judge electronic music > performances by "rock show" standards. however, they frequently > play in the same venues, and are both put up on stage as though > there's something to see. > > > d. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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listen to geoff - he speaks the truth. this shit is always about the vibe of the place. our best shows have been in places receptive to what we're doing, and suitable for our music, with a clear sound system and an up for it audience. and this goes for whether we were a full band or just me and a laptop playing off traktor. no amount of gimmiks, visuals, costumes, cute singers or otherwise is going to make a damn bit of difference. that is all. andy.: ----- Original Message ----- From: "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows

quoted 68 lines In my experience, it really depends on the audience

> In my experience, it really depends on the audience > more than the performer. I've seen highly "performance" > based shows that were horrible, as well as shows that > were nothing but music being played back that were great. > > It seems like kids who would specifically be into "idm" > skew towards some kind of performance. > > But personally i just want to hear something i haven't > heard before, played on a good soundsystem. If > performance works for the artist, than thats good too. > > - geoff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chthonic" <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:14 PM > Subject: [idm] laptop shows > > > > i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the > > question into sharper relief. > > > > how much do visuals and/or performer action/interaction mean to > > you as an audience member? > > > > i ask because the increasing amount of music being created on > > laptops inevitably brings up the question of what to do live. the > > most valiant and effective effort i recall was seeing styrofoam open > > for the notwist. in addition to his laptop, he had a keyboard, a > > mixer, some effects, and he sang. i bought his CD right after he > > played. > > > > however, other people i've seen have been pretty boring, and > > though the music has been good, i find myself wishing i was > > elsewhere, listening to their CD. some such artists respond to the > > live challenge by attempting to make small motions or faces that > > let us know something is happening, treating us to unreleased > > material or exclusive "live remixes", or simply playing really loud. > > but to me all these things are miniscule. there isn't much to see, > > to connect with as far as what the artist has put into it. even > > projected visuals can only do so much. > > > > does anybody else care about this? or are you content to go to > > electronic music shows for things like community, higher volume, > > exclusive merchandise, different mixes? > > > > perhaps the problem is attempting to judge electronic music > > performances by "rock show" standards. however, they frequently > > play in the same venues, and are both put up on stage as though > > there's something to see. > > > > > > d. > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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the bar by which all 'live' electronic preformances should be judged is, imho, underworld's 'everything everything' dvd. while i never had the pleasure of actually seeing underworld play live, the sort of multimedia stadium shows they did (or do - i don't know if they've preformed live since darren emerson left - not that he did much in the first place). --- : dtnl: : Thu Nov 6 06: 49: 31@yahoo.com, UNEXPECTED_DATA_AFTER_ADDRESS_IN_GROUP@.SYNTAX-ERROR.;;;;;, "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com> wrote:

quoted 93 lines listen to geoff - he speaks the truth.

> listen to geoff - he speaks the truth. > > this shit is always about the vibe of the place. our best shows have been > in places receptive to what we're doing, and suitable for our music, with a > clear sound system and an up for it audience. and this goes for whether we > were a full band or just me and a laptop playing off traktor. no amount of > gimmiks, visuals, costumes, cute singers or otherwise is going to make a > damn bit of difference. > > that is all. > > andy.: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:41 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > In my experience, it really depends on the audience > > more than the performer. I've seen highly "performance" > > based shows that were horrible, as well as shows that > > were nothing but music being played back that were great. > > > > It seems like kids who would specifically be into "idm" > > skew towards some kind of performance. > > > > But personally i just want to hear something i haven't > > heard before, played on a good soundsystem. If > > performance works for the artist, than thats good too. > > > > - geoff > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "chthonic" <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:14 PM > > Subject: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the > > > question into sharper relief. > > > > > > how much do visuals and/or performer action/interaction mean to > > > you as an audience member? > > > > > > i ask because the increasing amount of music being created on > > > laptops inevitably brings up the question of what to do live. the > > > most valiant and effective effort i recall was seeing styrofoam open > > > for the notwist. in addition to his laptop, he had a keyboard, a > > > mixer, some effects, and he sang. i bought his CD right after he > > > played. > > > > > > however, other people i've seen have been pretty boring, and > > > though the music has been good, i find myself wishing i was > > > elsewhere, listening to their CD. some such artists respond to the > > > live challenge by attempting to make small motions or faces that > > > let us know something is happening, treating us to unreleased > > > material or exclusive "live remixes", or simply playing really loud. > > > but to me all these things are miniscule. there isn't much to see, > > > to connect with as far as what the artist has put into it. even > > > projected visuals can only do so much. > > > > > > does anybody else care about this? or are you content to go to > > > electronic music shows for things like community, higher volume, > > > exclusive merchandise, different mixes? > > > > > > perhaps the problem is attempting to judge electronic music > > > performances by "rock show" standards. however, they frequently > > > play in the same venues, and are both put up on stage as though > > > there's something to see. > > > > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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so who are the most successful idm/laptop performers in pulling off a good live show? mouse on mars stand out in my mind. on the other hand, here in new york, we've got prefuse 73, plaid, and luke vibert coming through this week and i'm gonna sit them all out. i've seen them all "live" and was bored to tears. honorable mention to plaid for their video stuff though. a lot of the time, at least at the more ambient shows, being able to sit on the ground makes all the difference. i recall a hrvstaski (or some alias thereof) show at the knitting factory several years ago where there was some unspoken decision by the crowd to just sit on the ground in the main space and all of a sudden a show that would've driven me nuts if i'd been on my feet the entire time was immensely enjoyable. -Aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com> Date: Thursday, November 6, 2003 9:49 am Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows

quoted 106 lines listen to geoff - he speaks the truth.

> listen to geoff - he speaks the truth. > > this shit is always about the vibe of the place. our best shows > have been > in places receptive to what we're doing, and suitable for our > music, with a > clear sound system and an up for it audience. and this goes for > whether we > were a full band or just me and a laptop playing off traktor. no > amount of > gimmiks, visuals, costumes, cute singers or otherwise is going to > make a > damn bit of difference. > > that is all. > > andy.: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:41 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > In my experience, it really depends on the audience > > more than the performer. I've seen highly "performance" > > based shows that were horrible, as well as shows that > > were nothing but music being played back that were great. > > > > It seems like kids who would specifically be into "idm" > > skew towards some kind of performance. > > > > But personally i just want to hear something i haven't > > heard before, played on a good soundsystem. If > > performance works for the artist, than thats good too. > > > > - geoff > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "chthonic" <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:14 PM > > Subject: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the > > > question into sharper relief. > > > > > > how much do visuals and/or performer action/interaction mean to > > > you as an audience member? > > > > > > i ask because the increasing amount of music being created on > > > laptops inevitably brings up the question of what to do live. the > > > most valiant and effective effort i recall was seeing > styrofoam open > > > for the notwist. in addition to his laptop, he had a > keyboard, a > > > mixer, some effects, and he sang. i bought his CD right after he > > > played. > > > > > > however, other people i've seen have been pretty boring, and > > > though the music has been good, i find myself wishing i was > > > elsewhere, listening to their CD. some such artists respond > to the > > > live challenge by attempting to make small motions or faces that > > > let us know something is happening, treating us to unreleased > > > material or exclusive "live remixes", or simply playing really > loud.> > but to me all these things are miniscule. there isn't > much to see, > > > to connect with as far as what the artist has put into it. even > > > projected visuals can only do so much. > > > > > > does anybody else care about this? or are you content to go to > > > electronic music shows for things like community, higher volume, > > > exclusive merchandise, different mixes? > > > > > > perhaps the problem is attempting to judge electronic music > > > performances by "rock show" standards. however, they frequently > > > play in the same venues, and are both put up on stage as though > > > there's something to see. > > > > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > ------ > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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i think this is partly what makes kraked (www.kraked.co.uk reading, uk) work so well, as a showcase of crazy electronica its really nice to be able to sit on comfy beanbags, watch random images on multiple projectors and really listen to the act thats playing.. as for the live laptop thing, im hoping to enhance my live shows by taking my modular synth and a few other bits of kit to aid the live element whilst mixing my tracks in ableton.. hopefully this should provide some geeky entertainment! ahh to rock or not to rock.. i guess its all down to the crowd/venue On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Aaron D Meyers wrote:

quoted 126 lines so who are the most successful idm/laptop performers in pulling off a good live show?

> so who are the most successful idm/laptop performers in pulling off a good live show? > > mouse on mars stand out in my mind. > > on the other hand, here in new york, we've got prefuse 73, plaid, and luke vibert coming through this week and i'm gonna sit them all out. i've seen them all "live" and was bored to tears. honorable mention to plaid for their video stuff though. > > a lot of the time, at least at the more ambient shows, being able to sit on the ground makes all the difference. i recall a hrvstaski (or some alias thereof) show at the knitting factory several years ago where there was some unspoken decision by the crowd to just sit on the ground in the main space and all of a sudden a show that would've driven me nuts if i'd been on my feet the entire time was immensely enjoyable. > > -Aaron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com> > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2003 9:49 am > Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > listen to geoff - he speaks the truth. > > > > this shit is always about the vibe of the place. our best shows > > have been > > in places receptive to what we're doing, and suitable for our > > music, with a > > clear sound system and an up for it audience. and this goes for > > whether we > > were a full band or just me and a laptop playing off traktor. no > > amount of > > gimmiks, visuals, costumes, cute singers or otherwise is going to > > make a > > damn bit of difference. > > > > that is all. > > > > andy.: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > In my experience, it really depends on the audience > > > more than the performer. I've seen highly "performance" > > > based shows that were horrible, as well as shows that > > > were nothing but music being played back that were great. > > > > > > It seems like kids who would specifically be into "idm" > > > skew towards some kind of performance. > > > > > > But personally i just want to hear something i haven't > > > heard before, played on a good soundsystem. If > > > performance works for the artist, than thats good too. > > > > > > - geoff > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "chthonic" <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> > > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:14 PM > > > Subject: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > > > > i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the > > > > question into sharper relief. > > > > > > > > how much do visuals and/or performer action/interaction mean to > > > > you as an audience member? > > > > > > > > i ask because the increasing amount of music being created on > > > > laptops inevitably brings up the question of what to do live. the > > > > most valiant and effective effort i recall was seeing > > styrofoam open > > > > for the notwist. in addition to his laptop, he had a > > keyboard, a > > > > mixer, some effects, and he sang. i bought his CD right after he > > > > played. > > > > > > > > however, other people i've seen have been pretty boring, and > > > > though the music has been good, i find myself wishing i was > > > > elsewhere, listening to their CD. some such artists respond > > to the > > > > live challenge by attempting to make small motions or faces that > > > > let us know something is happening, treating us to unreleased > > > > material or exclusive "live remixes", or simply playing really > > loud.> > but to me all these things are miniscule. there isn't > > much to see, > > > > to connect with as far as what the artist has put into it. even > > > > projected visuals can only do so much. > > > > > > > > does anybody else care about this? or are you content to go to > > > > electronic music shows for things like community, higher volume, > > > > exclusive merchandise, different mixes? > > > > > > > > perhaps the problem is attempting to judge electronic music > > > > performances by "rock show" standards. however, they frequently > > > > play in the same venues, and are both put up on stage as though > > > > there's something to see. > > > > > > > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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plaid are good, especially when they're not being noodly and just bring the breaks up front. Ulrich Schnauss is great, just cause of the pure beauty of what's coming out of the speakers. honourable mentions for CiM, Isan, Posthuman, Ardisson, Jamie Lidell (strangely enough i only like him live so that's a good sign right?), Fourtet and Octavcat. and finally, not really laptop, but Ms John Soda are the best live band i've seen for years. i swear, it was like seeing the breeders or something. check them out... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron D Meyers" <adm226@nyu.edu> To: "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows

quoted 1 line so who are the most successful idm/laptop performers in pulling off a good

> so who are the most successful idm/laptop performers in pulling off a good

live show?

quoted 4 lines mouse on mars stand out in my mind.

> > mouse on mars stand out in my mind. > > on the other hand, here in new york, we've got prefuse 73, plaid, and luke

vibert coming through this week and i'm gonna sit them all out. i've seen them all "live" and was bored to tears. honorable mention to plaid for their video stuff though.

quoted 2 lines a lot of the time, at least at the more ambient shows, being able to sit

> > a lot of the time, at least at the more ambient shows, being able to sit

on the ground makes all the difference. i recall a hrvstaski (or some alias thereof) show at the knitting factory several years ago where there was some unspoken decision by the crowd to just sit on the ground in the main space and all of a sudden a show that would've driven me nuts if i'd been on my feet the entire time was immensely enjoyable.

quoted 120 lines -Aaron

> > -Aaron > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com> > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2003 9:49 am > Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > listen to geoff - he speaks the truth. > > > > this shit is always about the vibe of the place. our best shows > > have been > > in places receptive to what we're doing, and suitable for our > > music, with a > > clear sound system and an up for it audience. and this goes for > > whether we > > were a full band or just me and a laptop playing off traktor. no > > amount of > > gimmiks, visuals, costumes, cute singers or otherwise is going to > > make a > > damn bit of difference. > > > > that is all. > > > > andy.: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > In my experience, it really depends on the audience > > > more than the performer. I've seen highly "performance" > > > based shows that were horrible, as well as shows that > > > were nothing but music being played back that were great. > > > > > > It seems like kids who would specifically be into "idm" > > > skew towards some kind of performance. > > > > > > But personally i just want to hear something i haven't > > > heard before, played on a good soundsystem. If > > > performance works for the artist, than thats good too. > > > > > > - geoff > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "chthonic" <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> > > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:14 PM > > > Subject: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > > > > i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the > > > > question into sharper relief. > > > > > > > > how much do visuals and/or performer action/interaction mean to > > > > you as an audience member? > > > > > > > > i ask because the increasing amount of music being created on > > > > laptops inevitably brings up the question of what to do live. the > > > > most valiant and effective effort i recall was seeing > > styrofoam open > > > > for the notwist. in addition to his laptop, he had a > > keyboard, a > > > > mixer, some effects, and he sang. i bought his CD right after he > > > > played. > > > > > > > > however, other people i've seen have been pretty boring, and > > > > though the music has been good, i find myself wishing i was > > > > elsewhere, listening to their CD. some such artists respond > > to the > > > > live challenge by attempting to make small motions or faces that > > > > let us know something is happening, treating us to unreleased > > > > material or exclusive "live remixes", or simply playing really > > loud.> > but to me all these things are miniscule. there isn't > > much to see, > > > > to connect with as far as what the artist has put into it. even > > > > projected visuals can only do so much. > > > > > > > > does anybody else care about this? or are you content to go to > > > > electronic music shows for things like community, higher volume, > > > > exclusive merchandise, different mixes? > > > > > > > > perhaps the problem is attempting to judge electronic music > > > > performances by "rock show" standards. however, they frequently > > > > play in the same venues, and are both put up on stage as though > > > > there's something to see. > > > > > > > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > ------ > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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funny you should mention that, kraked was one of the best gigs i've done. really attentive crowd and a chilled environment. it felt like you were playing in someones front room, with 40 or so people coming down from the night before and digging what you were doing. further more in the co-incidence stakes, mixing tracks with ableton and playing along with a nord micro modular and es1, is exactly how i'll be playing live from next week, whenever i play without the band. ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobule" <bobule@partyvibe.com> To: "Aaron D Meyers" <adm226@nyu.edu> Cc: "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows

quoted 17 lines i think this is partly what makes kraked (www.kraked.co.uk reading, uk)

> > i think this is partly what makes kraked (www.kraked.co.uk reading, uk) > work so well, as a > showcase of crazy electronica its really nice to be able to sit on comfy > beanbags, watch random images on multiple projectors and really listen to > the act thats playing.. > > as for the live laptop thing, im hoping to enhance my live shows by taking > my modular synth and a few other bits of kit to aid the live element > whilst mixing my tracks in ableton.. hopefully this should provide some > geeky entertainment! > > ahh to rock or not to rock.. i guess its all down to the crowd/venue > > On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Aaron D Meyers wrote: > > > so who are the most successful idm/laptop performers in pulling off a

good live show?

quoted 4 lines mouse on mars stand out in my mind.

> > > > mouse on mars stand out in my mind. > > > > on the other hand, here in new york, we've got prefuse 73, plaid, and

luke vibert coming through this week and i'm gonna sit them all out. i've seen them all "live" and was bored to tears. honorable mention to plaid for their video stuff though.

quoted 2 lines a lot of the time, at least at the more ambient shows, being able to sit

> > > > a lot of the time, at least at the more ambient shows, being able to sit

on the ground makes all the difference. i recall a hrvstaski (or some alias thereof) show at the knitting factory several years ago where there was some unspoken decision by the crowd to just sit on the ground in the main space and all of a sudden a show that would've driven me nuts if i'd been on my feet the entire time was immensely enjoyable.

quoted 126 lines -Aaron

> > > > -Aaron > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com> > > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2003 9:49 am > > Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > listen to geoff - he speaks the truth. > > > > > > this shit is always about the vibe of the place. our best shows > > > have been > > > in places receptive to what we're doing, and suitable for our > > > music, with a > > > clear sound system and an up for it audience. and this goes for > > > whether we > > > were a full band or just me and a laptop playing off traktor. no > > > amount of > > > gimmiks, visuals, costumes, cute singers or otherwise is going to > > > make a > > > damn bit of difference. > > > > > > that is all. > > > > > > andy.: > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> > > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, it really depends on the audience > > > > more than the performer. I've seen highly "performance" > > > > based shows that were horrible, as well as shows that > > > > were nothing but music being played back that were great. > > > > > > > > It seems like kids who would specifically be into "idm" > > > > skew towards some kind of performance. > > > > > > > > But personally i just want to hear something i haven't > > > > heard before, played on a good soundsystem. If > > > > performance works for the artist, than thats good too. > > > > > > > > - geoff > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "chthonic" <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> > > > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:14 PM > > > > Subject: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the > > > > > question into sharper relief. > > > > > > > > > > how much do visuals and/or performer action/interaction mean to > > > > > you as an audience member? > > > > > > > > > > i ask because the increasing amount of music being created on > > > > > laptops inevitably brings up the question of what to do live. the > > > > > most valiant and effective effort i recall was seeing > > > styrofoam open > > > > > for the notwist. in addition to his laptop, he had a > > > keyboard, a > > > > > mixer, some effects, and he sang. i bought his CD right after he > > > > > played. > > > > > > > > > > however, other people i've seen have been pretty boring, and > > > > > though the music has been good, i find myself wishing i was > > > > > elsewhere, listening to their CD. some such artists respond > > > to the > > > > > live challenge by attempting to make small motions or faces that > > > > > let us know something is happening, treating us to unreleased > > > > > material or exclusive "live remixes", or simply playing really > > > loud.> > but to me all these things are miniscule. there isn't > > > much to see, > > > > > to connect with as far as what the artist has put into it. even > > > > > projected visuals can only do so much. > > > > > > > > > > does anybody else care about this? or are you content to go to > > > > > electronic music shows for things like community, higher volume, > > > > > exclusive merchandise, different mixes? > > > > > > > > > > perhaps the problem is attempting to judge electronic music > > > > > performances by "rock show" standards. however, they frequently > > > > > play in the same venues, and are both put up on stage as though > > > > > there's something to see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------ > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ---- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -- > bobule@partyvibe.com | www.partyvibe.com/bobule > mobile: 07976 570284 | www.streetbeats.co.uk > > >

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hey what name do you play under? the modular thing is an interesting dilemma for me, i have an RS intergrator (http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk) and i cant decide if i should use it to process my soudns live (i have 4 seperate filters for it) or if i should use it as a crazy noise/fx machine.. the problem being these is no way i could repatch my modular halfway thru a gig! ah well the joys of analogue i guess.. but back to the laptop thing, it is hard being a laptop band, either on your own or with others its still hard to get a good balance of 'making sure it will sound great' and 'making sure you are doing enough for it to be considered live'.. i hate bands that mime to dat or just press play but at the same time i hate rubbish sounding acts more.... whadda ya gonna do eh? On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, ::dtnl:: wrote:

quoted 180 lines funny you should mention that, kraked was one of the best gigs i've done.

> funny you should mention that, kraked was one of the best gigs i've done. > really attentive crowd and a chilled environment. it felt like you were > playing in someones front room, with 40 or so people coming down from the > night before and digging what you were doing. > > further more in the co-incidence stakes, mixing tracks with ableton and > playing along with a nord micro modular and es1, is exactly how i'll be > playing live from next week, whenever i play without the band. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bobule" <bobule@partyvibe.com> > To: "Aaron D Meyers" <adm226@nyu.edu> > Cc: "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:13 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > i think this is partly what makes kraked (www.kraked.co.uk reading, uk) > > work so well, as a > > showcase of crazy electronica its really nice to be able to sit on comfy > > beanbags, watch random images on multiple projectors and really listen to > > the act thats playing.. > > > > as for the live laptop thing, im hoping to enhance my live shows by taking > > my modular synth and a few other bits of kit to aid the live element > > whilst mixing my tracks in ableton.. hopefully this should provide some > > geeky entertainment! > > > > ahh to rock or not to rock.. i guess its all down to the crowd/venue > > > > On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Aaron D Meyers wrote: > > > > > so who are the most successful idm/laptop performers in pulling off a > good live show? > > > > > > mouse on mars stand out in my mind. > > > > > > on the other hand, here in new york, we've got prefuse 73, plaid, and > luke vibert coming through this week and i'm gonna sit them all out. i've > seen them all "live" and was bored to tears. honorable mention to plaid for > their video stuff though. > > > > > > a lot of the time, at least at the more ambient shows, being able to sit > on the ground makes all the difference. i recall a hrvstaski (or some alias > thereof) show at the knitting factory several years ago where there was some > unspoken decision by the crowd to just sit on the ground in the main space > and all of a sudden a show that would've driven me nuts if i'd been on my > feet the entire time was immensely enjoyable. > > > > > > -Aaron > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com> > > > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2003 9:49 am > > > Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > listen to geoff - he speaks the truth. > > > > > > > > this shit is always about the vibe of the place. our best shows > > > > have been > > > > in places receptive to what we're doing, and suitable for our > > > > music, with a > > > > clear sound system and an up for it audience. and this goes for > > > > whether we > > > > were a full band or just me and a laptop playing off traktor. no > > > > amount of > > > > gimmiks, visuals, costumes, cute singers or otherwise is going to > > > > make a > > > > damn bit of difference. > > > > > > > > that is all. > > > > > > > > andy.: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> > > > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:41 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, it really depends on the audience > > > > > more than the performer. I've seen highly "performance" > > > > > based shows that were horrible, as well as shows that > > > > > were nothing but music being played back that were great. > > > > > > > > > > It seems like kids who would specifically be into "idm" > > > > > skew towards some kind of performance. > > > > > > > > > > But personally i just want to hear something i haven't > > > > > heard before, played on a good soundsystem. If > > > > > performance works for the artist, than thats good too. > > > > > > > > > > - geoff > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "chthonic" <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> > > > > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:14 PM > > > > > Subject: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw the > > > > > > question into sharper relief. > > > > > > > > > > > > how much do visuals and/or performer action/interaction mean to > > > > > > you as an audience member? > > > > > > > > > > > > i ask because the increasing amount of music being created on > > > > > > laptops inevitably brings up the question of what to do live. the > > > > > > most valiant and effective effort i recall was seeing > > > > styrofoam open > > > > > > for the notwist. in addition to his laptop, he had a > > > > keyboard, a > > > > > > mixer, some effects, and he sang. i bought his CD right after he > > > > > > played. > > > > > > > > > > > > however, other people i've seen have been pretty boring, and > > > > > > though the music has been good, i find myself wishing i was > > > > > > elsewhere, listening to their CD. some such artists respond > > > > to the > > > > > > live challenge by attempting to make small motions or faces that > > > > > > let us know something is happening, treating us to unreleased > > > > > > material or exclusive "live remixes", or simply playing really > > > > loud.> > but to me all these things are miniscule. there isn't > > > > much to see, > > > > > > to connect with as far as what the artist has put into it. even > > > > > > projected visuals can only do so much. > > > > > > > > > > > > does anybody else care about this? or are you content to go to > > > > > > electronic music shows for things like community, higher volume, > > > > > > exclusive merchandise, different mixes? > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps the problem is attempting to judge electronic music > > > > > > performances by "rock show" standards. however, they frequently > > > > > > play in the same venues, and are both put up on stage as though > > > > > > there's something to see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ------ > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > ---- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > -- > > bobule@partyvibe.com | www.partyvibe.com/bobule > > mobile: 07976 570284 | www.streetbeats.co.uk > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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hey.. i play as digitonal. sometimes as dtnl. i normally have a full band, but lately i've been doing some laptop shows on my own. i've just got into Ableton Live which is blowing me away. truly an amazing bit of software. it's allowing me to play my arrangements as an instrument, instead of being tied to a timeline as i normally play. i've been remixing stuff on the fly and using plugins like supatrigger to mash my beats up. the nord micromodular is a new thing for me as well, but i like it's sound. basically i need everything to fit into a laptop bag and this does the trick nicely. i'll be feeding it's output through an electribe ES1, mostly to use the effects, cause the nord is a little dry for what i do. i reckon that what's coming out of the speakers is the most important thing at the end of the day. I think i'm getting the balance right these days. some of the stuff i was playing with this week in Live was inspiring. i'll be giving it a run in new york in a week or so so i'll let you know how it goes. that RS box looks interesting - what's the story? ----- Original Message ----- From: "bobule" <bobule@partyvibe.com> To: "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com> Cc: "Aaron D Meyers" <adm226@nyu.edu>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows

quoted 21 lines hey what name do you play under?

> hey what name do you play under? > > the modular thing is an interesting dilemma for me, i have an RS > intergrator (http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk) and i cant decide if i > should use it to process my soudns live (i have 4 seperate filters for it) > or if i should use it as a crazy noise/fx machine.. > > the problem being these is no way i could repatch my modular halfway thru > a gig! ah well the joys of analogue i guess.. > > but back to the laptop thing, it is hard being a laptop band, either on > your own or with others its still hard to get a good balance of 'making > sure it will sound great' and 'making sure you are doing enough for it to > be considered live'.. i hate bands that mime to dat or just press play but > at the same time i hate rubbish sounding acts more.... > > whadda ya gonna do eh? > > On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, ::dtnl:: wrote: > > > funny you should mention that, kraked was one of the best gigs i've

done.

quoted 2 lines really attentive crowd and a chilled environment. it felt like you were

> > really attentive crowd and a chilled environment. it felt like you were > > playing in someones front room, with 40 or so people coming down from

the

quoted 15 lines night before and digging what you were doing.

> > night before and digging what you were doing. > > > > further more in the co-incidence stakes, mixing tracks with ableton and > > playing along with a nord micro modular and es1, is exactly how i'll be > > playing live from next week, whenever i play without the band. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "bobule" <bobule@partyvibe.com> > > To: "Aaron D Meyers" <adm226@nyu.edu> > > Cc: "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:13 PM > > Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > > > > i think this is partly what makes kraked (www.kraked.co.uk reading,

uk)

quoted 2 lines work so well, as a

> > > work so well, as a > > > showcase of crazy electronica its really nice to be able to sit on

comfy

quoted 1 line beanbags, watch random images on multiple projectors and really listen

> > > beanbags, watch random images on multiple projectors and really listen

to

quoted 3 lines the act thats playing..

> > > the act thats playing.. > > > > > > as for the live laptop thing, im hoping to enhance my live shows by

taking

quoted 2 lines my modular synth and a few other bits of kit to aid the live element

> > > my modular synth and a few other bits of kit to aid the live element > > > whilst mixing my tracks in ableton.. hopefully this should provide

some

quoted 7 lines geeky entertainment!

> > > geeky entertainment! > > > > > > ahh to rock or not to rock.. i guess its all down to the crowd/venue > > > > > > On Thu, 6 Nov 2003, Aaron D Meyers wrote: > > > > > > > so who are the most successful idm/laptop performers in pulling off

a

quoted 5 lines good live show?

> > good live show? > > > > > > > > mouse on mars stand out in my mind. > > > > > > > > on the other hand, here in new york, we've got prefuse 73, plaid,

and

quoted 1 line luke vibert coming through this week and i'm gonna sit them all out.

> > luke vibert coming through this week and i'm gonna sit them all out.

i've

quoted 1 line seen them all "live" and was bored to tears. honorable mention to plaid

> > seen them all "live" and was bored to tears. honorable mention to plaid

for

quoted 3 lines their video stuff though.

> > their video stuff though. > > > > > > > > a lot of the time, at least at the more ambient shows, being able to

sit

quoted 1 line on the ground makes all the difference. i recall a hrvstaski (or some

> > on the ground makes all the difference. i recall a hrvstaski (or some

alias

quoted 1 line thereof) show at the knitting factory several years ago where there was

> > thereof) show at the knitting factory several years ago where there was

some

quoted 1 line unspoken decision by the crowd to just sit on the ground in the main

> > unspoken decision by the crowd to just sit on the ground in the main

space

quoted 1 line and all of a sudden a show that would've driven me nuts if i'd been on

> > and all of a sudden a show that would've driven me nuts if i'd been on

my

quoted 54 lines feet the entire time was immensely enjoyable.

> > feet the entire time was immensely enjoyable. > > > > > > > > -Aaron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com> > > > > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2003 9:49 am > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > > > listen to geoff - he speaks the truth. > > > > > > > > > > this shit is always about the vibe of the place. our best shows > > > > > have been > > > > > in places receptive to what we're doing, and suitable for our > > > > > music, with a > > > > > clear sound system and an up for it audience. and this goes for > > > > > whether we > > > > > were a full band or just me and a laptop playing off traktor. no > > > > > amount of > > > > > gimmiks, visuals, costumes, cute singers or otherwise is going to > > > > > make a > > > > > damn bit of difference. > > > > > > > > > > that is all. > > > > > > > > > > andy.: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> > > > > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:41 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience, it really depends on the audience > > > > > > more than the performer. I've seen highly "performance" > > > > > > based shows that were horrible, as well as shows that > > > > > > were nothing but music being played back that were great. > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems like kids who would specifically be into "idm" > > > > > > skew towards some kind of performance. > > > > > > > > > > > > But personally i just want to hear something i haven't > > > > > > heard before, played on a good soundsystem. If > > > > > > performance works for the artist, than thats good too. > > > > > > > > > > > > - geoff > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "chthonic" <chthonic@chthonicstreams.com> > > > > > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:14 PM > > > > > > Subject: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i know this has been brought up before, but i wanted to throw

the

quoted 3 lines question into sharper relief.

> > > > > > > question into sharper relief. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > how much do visuals and/or performer action/interaction mean

to

quoted 4 lines you as an audience member?

> > > > > > > you as an audience member? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i ask because the increasing amount of music being created on > > > > > > > laptops inevitably brings up the question of what to do live.

the

quoted 5 lines most valiant and effective effort i recall was seeing

> > > > > > > most valiant and effective effort i recall was seeing > > > > > styrofoam open > > > > > > > for the notwist. in addition to his laptop, he had a > > > > > keyboard, a > > > > > > > mixer, some effects, and he sang. i bought his CD right after

he

quoted 7 lines played.

> > > > > > > played. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > however, other people i've seen have been pretty boring, and > > > > > > > though the music has been good, i find myself wishing i was > > > > > > > elsewhere, listening to their CD. some such artists respond > > > > > to the > > > > > > > live challenge by attempting to make small motions or faces

that

quoted 5 lines let us know something is happening, treating us to unreleased

> > > > > > > let us know something is happening, treating us to unreleased > > > > > > > material or exclusive "live remixes", or simply playing really > > > > > loud.> > but to me all these things are miniscule. there isn't > > > > > much to see, > > > > > > > to connect with as far as what the artist has put into it.

even

quoted 3 lines projected visuals can only do so much.

> > > > > > > projected visuals can only do so much. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does anybody else care about this? or are you content to go

to

quoted 1 line electronic music shows for things like community, higher

> > > > > > > electronic music shows for things like community, higher

volume,

quoted 4 lines exclusive merchandise, different mixes?

> > > > > > > exclusive merchandise, different mixes? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps the problem is attempting to judge electronic music > > > > > > > performances by "rock show" standards. however, they

frequently

quoted 1 line play in the same venues, and are both put up on stage as

> > > > > > > play in the same venues, and are both put up on stage as

though

quoted 62 lines there's something to see.

> > > > > > > there's something to see. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ---- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > -- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > bobule@partyvibe.com | www.partyvibe.com/bobule > > > mobile: 07976 570284 | www.streetbeats.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > -- > bobule@partyvibe.com | www.partyvibe.com/bobule > mobile: 07976 570284 | www.streetbeats.co.uk > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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chthonic wrote:

quoted 6 lines i ask because the increasing amount of music being created on

> i ask because the increasing amount of music being created on > laptops inevitably brings up the question of what to do live. the > most valiant and effective effort i recall was seeing styrofoam open > for the notwist. in addition to his laptop, he had a keyboard, a > mixer, some effects, and he sang. i bought his CD right after he > played.

Burnt Friedman was great playing a gig here this June - though he was assisted by Josef Suchy (I think) and Jaki Liebezeit, he played keyboard (though it was attached to a Powerbook... :), twiddled a few knobs now and then and also played harmonica a few times throughout the gig. I do admit that I didn't as much watch them as dance my ass off, but they really had the crowd cheer both in the middle and after each song (only one of which I recognized) and had to give 4 encores - they improvised a 4th one after they admitted that they ran out of material after the 3rd, and it was still great... *g* Oh, and another live show you probably don't want to miss (even though I'm not sure there's a laptop involved) would be Jimi Tenor. -- Kurt Bernhard Pruenner --- Haendelstrasse 17 --- 4020 Linz --- Austria .......It might be written "Mindfuck", but it's spelt "L-A-I-N"....... np: Plaid - Cedar City (Spokes) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

oh wow now there's someone i am dying to see - i love burnt friedmans stuff and the album he did with jaki is one of my fav's! bob(ule)

quoted 15 lines Burnt Friedman was great playing a gig here this June - though he was

> Burnt Friedman was great playing a gig here this June - though he was > assisted by Josef Suchy (I think) and Jaki Liebezeit, he played keyboard > (though it was attached to a Powerbook... :), twiddled a few knobs now > and then and also played harmonica a few times throughout the gig. > > I do admit that I didn't as much watch them as dance my ass off, but > they really had the crowd cheer both in the middle and after each song > (only one of which I recognized) and had to give 4 encores - they > improvised a 4th one after they admitted that they ran out of material > after the 3rd, and it was still great... *g* > > Oh, and another live show you probably don't want to miss (even though > I'm not sure there's a laptop involved) would be Jimi Tenor. > >

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well put chris! k http://www.eight-frozen-modules.com/ --- Chris Henry <hendawg@earcandymusic.nu> wrote:

quoted 86 lines perhaps this is also a decent answer to the "what am

> perhaps this is also a decent answer to the "what am > I paying for?" > question. I've always looked at performances as > more of a collective > experience - a more socially-oriented continuum > involving physical space, > artist, performance, spectating, sound, community, > etc, as opposed to the > individual, more introverted, and obviously seperate > experience of listening > to a cd at home. Looked at in this light, the > actual performance > methodology becomes somewhat secondary. If it's a > rad time, hanging out > with nice, enthusiastic people, listening to cool, > engaging music in a > unique space, how can you even begin to compare it > to listening to the cd at > home? Apples and oranges, folks... > > I've never been much of an "artist", but thinking > about it this way starts > making me view event promotion/production as a bit > more artistic than I > initally thought... > > chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:49 AM > Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > listen to geoff - he speaks the truth. > > > > this shit is always about the vibe of the place. > our best shows have been > > in places receptive to what we're doing, and > suitable for our music, with > a > > clear sound system and an up for it audience. and > this goes for whether > we > > were a full band or just me and a laptop playing > off traktor. no amount > of > > gimmiks, visuals, costumes, cute singers or > otherwise is going to make a > > damn bit of difference. > > > > that is all. > > > > andy.: > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > In my experience, it really depends on the > audience > > > more than the performer. I've seen highly > "performance" > > > based shows that were horrible, as well as shows > that > > > were nothing but music being played back that > were great. > > > > > > It seems like kids who would specifically be > into "idm" > > > skew towards some kind of performance. > > > > > > But personally i just want to hear something i > haven't > > > heard before, played on a good soundsystem. If > > > performance works for the artist, than thats > good too. > > > > > > - geoff > > > > >

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if only people would actually come out to those unique spaces. it's always bars they flock too. - a On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 06:01 PM, eight fm wrote:

quoted 114 lines well put chris!

> well put chris! > > k > > http://www.eight-frozen-modules.com/ > > --- Chris Henry <hendawg@earcandymusic.nu> wrote: >> perhaps this is also a decent answer to the "what am >> I paying for?" >> question. I've always looked at performances as >> more of a collective >> experience - a more socially-oriented continuum >> involving physical space, >> artist, performance, spectating, sound, community, >> etc, as opposed to the >> individual, more introverted, and obviously seperate >> experience of listening >> to a cd at home. Looked at in this light, the >> actual performance >> methodology becomes somewhat secondary. If it's a >> rad time, hanging out >> with nice, enthusiastic people, listening to cool, >> engaging music in a >> unique space, how can you even begin to compare it >> to listening to the cd at >> home? Apples and oranges, folks... >> >> I've never been much of an "artist", but thinking >> about it this way starts >> making me view event promotion/production as a bit >> more artistic than I >> initally thought... >> >> chris >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com> >> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows >> >> >>> listen to geoff - he speaks the truth. >>> >>> this shit is always about the vibe of the place. >> our best shows have been >>> in places receptive to what we're doing, and >> suitable for our music, with >> a >>> clear sound system and an up for it audience. and >> this goes for whether >> we >>> were a full band or just me and a laptop playing >> off traktor. no amount >> of >>> gimmiks, visuals, costumes, cute singers or >> otherwise is going to make a >>> damn bit of difference. >>> >>> that is all. >>> >>> andy.: >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> >>> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows >>> >>> >>>> In my experience, it really depends on the >> audience >>>> more than the performer. I've seen highly >> "performance" >>>> based shows that were horrible, as well as shows >> that >>>> were nothing but music being played back that >> were great. >>>> >>>> It seems like kids who would specifically be >> into "idm" >>>> skew towards some kind of performance. >>>> >>>> But personally i just want to hear something i >> haven't >>>> heard before, played on a good soundsystem. If >>>> performance works for the artist, than thats >> good too. >>>> >>>> - geoff >>> >> >> >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >> idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > > ===== > www.eight-frozen-modules.com > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 1 line clear sound system

> clear sound system

isn't it always about the sound . the sound is the medium . the reason the artist created and the reason the audience come to listen . sound is the 'sense' we experience All good events I have ever been to have good sound ' literally the sound system ' had a quality that created and facilitated peoples ability to listen / communicate .simon / ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Jones" <liminal18@mac.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows

quoted 58 lines if only people would actually

> if only people would actually > come out to those unique spaces. > it's always bars they flock too. > > - > a > > On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 06:01 PM, eight fm wrote: > > > well put chris! > > > > k > > > > http://www.eight-frozen-modules.com/ > > > > --- Chris Henry <hendawg@earcandymusic.nu> wrote: > >> perhaps this is also a decent answer to the "what am > >> I paying for?" > >> question. I've always looked at performances as > >> more of a collective > >> experience - a more socially-oriented continuum > >> involving physical space, > >> artist, performance, spectating, sound, community, > >> etc, as opposed to the > >> individual, more introverted, and obviously seperate > >> experience of listening > >> to a cd at home. Looked at in this light, the > >> actual performance > >> methodology becomes somewhat secondary. If it's a > >> rad time, hanging out > >> with nice, enthusiastic people, listening to cool, > >> engaging music in a > >> unique space, how can you even begin to compare it > >> to listening to the cd at > >> home? Apples and oranges, folks... > >> > >> I've never been much of an "artist", but thinking > >> about it this way starts > >> making me view event promotion/production as a bit > >> more artistic than I > >> initally thought... > >> > >> chris > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com> > >> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > >> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:49 AM > >> Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > >> > >> > >>> listen to geoff - he speaks the truth. > >>> > >>> this shit is always about the vibe of the place. > >> our best shows have been > >>> in places receptive to what we're doing, and > >> suitable for our music, with > >> a

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quoted 76 lines this goes for whether

> >> this goes for whether > >> we > >>> were a full band or just me and a laptop playing > >> off traktor. no amount > >> of > >>> gimmiks, visuals, costumes, cute singers or > >> otherwise is going to make a > >>> damn bit of difference. > >>> > >>> that is all. > >>> > >>> andy.: > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> > >>> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > >>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:41 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > >>> > >>> > >>>> In my experience, it really depends on the > >> audience > >>>> more than the performer. I've seen highly > >> "performance" > >>>> based shows that were horrible, as well as shows > >> that > >>>> were nothing but music being played back that > >> were great. > >>>> > >>>> It seems like kids who would specifically be > >> into "idm" > >>>> skew towards some kind of performance. > >>>> > >>>> But personally i just want to hear something i > >> haven't > >>>> heard before, played on a good soundsystem. If > >>>> performance works for the artist, than thats > >> good too. > >>>> > >>>> - geoff > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > >> idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > > ===== > > www.eight-frozen-modules.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > Andrew Jones > 409 E. Gore St. > Orlando, FL, 32806 > 407-927-7607 > aim: liminal18 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 1 line clear sound system

> clear sound system

isn't it always about the sound . the sound is the medium . the reason the artist created and the reason the audience come to listen . sound is the 'sense' we experience All good events I have ever been to have good sound ' literally the sound system ' had a quality that created and facilitated peoples ability to listen / communicate .simon / ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Jones" <liminal18@mac.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows

quoted 57 lines if only people would actually

> if only people would actually > come out to those unique spaces. > it's always bars they flock too. > > - > a > > On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 06:01 PM, eight fm wrote: > > > well put chris! > > > > k > > > > http://www.eight-frozen-modules.com/ > > > > --- Chris Henry <hendawg@earcandymusic.nu> wrote: > >> perhaps this is also a decent answer to the "what am > >> I paying for?" > >> question. I've always looked at performances as > >> more of a collective > >> experience - a more socially-oriented continuum > >> involving physical space, > >> artist, performance, spectating, sound, community, > >> etc, as opposed to the > >> individual, more introverted, and obviously seperate experience of > >> listening to a cd at home. Looked at in this light, the > >> actual performance > >> methodology becomes somewhat secondary. If it's a > >> rad time, hanging out > >> with nice, enthusiastic people, listening to cool, > >> engaging music in a > >> unique space, how can you even begin to compare it > >> to listening to the cd at > >> home? Apples and oranges, folks... > >> > >> I've never been much of an "artist", but thinking > >> about it this way starts > >> making me view event promotion/production as a bit > >> more artistic than I > >> initally thought... > >> > >> chris > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com> > >> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > >> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:49 AM > >> Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > >> > >> > >>> listen to geoff - he speaks the truth. > >>> > >>> this shit is always about the vibe of the place. > >> our best shows have been > >>> in places receptive to what we're doing, and > >> suitable for our music, with > >> a

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quoted 35 lines this goes for whether

> >> this goes for whether > >> we > >>> were a full band or just me and a laptop playing > >> off traktor. no amount > >> of > >>> gimmiks, visuals, costumes, cute singers or > >> otherwise is going to make a > >>> damn bit of difference. > >>> > >>> that is all. > >>> > >>> andy.: > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> > >>> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > >>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:41 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > >>> > >>> > >>>> In my experience, it really depends on the > >> audience > >>>> more than the performer. I've seen highly > >> "performance" > >>>> based shows that were horrible, as well as shows > >> that > >>>> were nothing but music being played back that > >> were great. > >>>> > >>>> It seems like kids who would specifically be > >> into "idm" > >>>> skew towards some kind of performance. > >>>> > >>>> But personally i just want to hear something i > >> haven't > >>>> heard before, played on a good soundsystem. If performance works

quoted 43 lines for the artist, than thats

> >>>> for the artist, than thats > >> good too. > >>>> > >>>> - geoff > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >> idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: > >> idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > > ===== > > www.eight-frozen-modules.com > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > > http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > Andrew Jones > 409 E. Gore St. > Orlando, FL, 32806 > 407-927-7607 > aim: liminal18 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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quoted 9 lines James Brown rocked thousands with barely 500 watts of

>James Brown rocked thousands with barely 500 watts of >sound, no subs and >no monitors - the skill of the performers on stage is >equally important. >Great sound can make up for a lack of talent and crappy >sound can rob >great talent - but the conversation between the artist >and the listener >is paramount.

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exactly, and look at jamaican music, the only really good dub/ska/raggae was the really rough, rugged and raw lofi old skool stuff... just being loud and crisply produced doesnt make up for dry content :) Nelson, Mark wrote:

quoted 264 lines James Brown rocked thousands with barely 500 watts of sound, no subs and

>James Brown rocked thousands with barely 500 watts of sound, no subs and >no monitors - the skill of the performers on stage is equally important. >Great sound can make up for a lack of talent and crappy sound can rob >great talent - but the conversation between the artist and the listener >is paramount. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Simon K [mailto:nil@obscure.co.nz] >Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:23 PM >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > >> clear sound system >> >> > > > isn't it always about the sound . > > the sound is the medium . the reason the artist created > and the reason the audience come to listen . > > sound is the 'sense' we experience > > All good events I have ever been to have good sound ' > literally the sound system ' had a quality that created > and facilitated peoples ability to listen / communicate > > .simon > > > > > > > >/ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Andrew Jones" <liminal18@mac.com> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:08 PM >Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > >>if only people would actually >>come out to those unique spaces. >>it's always bars they flock too. >> >>- >>a >> >>On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 06:01 PM, eight fm wrote: >> >> >> >>>well put chris! >>> >>>k >>> >>>http://www.eight-frozen-modules.com/ >>> >>>--- Chris Henry <hendawg@earcandymusic.nu> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>perhaps this is also a decent answer to the "what am >>>>I paying for?" >>>>question. I've always looked at performances as >>>>more of a collective >>>>experience - a more socially-oriented continuum >>>>involving physical space, >>>>artist, performance, spectating, sound, community, >>>>etc, as opposed to the >>>>individual, more introverted, and obviously seperate experience of >>>>listening to a cd at home. Looked at in this light, the >>>>actual performance >>>>methodology becomes somewhat secondary. If it's a >>>>rad time, hanging out >>>>with nice, enthusiastic people, listening to cool, >>>>engaging music in a >>>>unique space, how can you even begin to compare it >>>>to listening to the cd at >>>>home? Apples and oranges, folks... >>>> >>>>I've never been much of an "artist", but thinking >>>>about it this way starts >>>>making me view event promotion/production as a bit >>>>more artistic than I >>>>initally thought... >>>> >>>>chris >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com> >>>>To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >>>>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:49 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>listen to geoff - he speaks the truth. >>>>> >>>>>this shit is always about the vibe of the place. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>our best shows have been >>>> >>>> >>>>>in places receptive to what we're doing, and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>suitable for our music, with >>>>a >>>> >>>> >. and > > >>>>this goes for whether >>>>we >>>> >>>> >>>>>were a full band or just me and a laptop playing >>>>> >>>>> >>>>off traktor. no amount >>>>of >>>> >>>> >>>>>gimmiks, visuals, costumes, cute singers or >>>>> >>>>> >>>>otherwise is going to make a >>>> >>>> >>>>>damn bit of difference. >>>>> >>>>>that is all. >>>>> >>>>>andy.: >>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>From: "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> >>>>>To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >>>>>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:41 PM >>>>>Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>In my experience, it really depends on the >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>audience >>>> >>>> >>>>>>more than the performer. I've seen highly >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>"performance" >>>> >>>> >>>>>>based shows that were horrible, as well as shows >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>that >>>> >>>> >>>>>>were nothing but music being played back that >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>were great. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>It seems like kids who would specifically be >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>into "idm" >>>> >>>> >>>>>>skew towards some kind of performance. >>>>>> >>>>>>But personally i just want to hear something i >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>haven't >>>> >>>> >>>>>>heard before, played on a good soundsystem. If performance works >>>>>> >>>>>> > > > >>>>>>for the artist, than thats >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>good too. >>>> >>>> >>>>>>- geoff >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>- >>> >>> >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>>idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>idm-help@hyperreal.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>===== >>>www.eight-frozen-modules.com >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Do you Yahoo!? >>>Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard >>>http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree >>> >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>- >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Andrew Jones >>409 E. 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quoted 3 lines exactly, and look at jamaican music, the only really good dub/ska/raggae

> exactly, and look at jamaican music, the only really good dub/ska/raggae > was the really rough, rugged and raw lofi old skool stuff... just being > loud and crisply produced doesnt make up for dry content :)

tottaly agree .. this very point did get me wondering .. thats why I talk about the sound having a quality . a literal quality .. reggae sound systems where homemade mish mash .. but the music produced was made around the sysytems . not sepearte to them .. the music came from the sound of the system ' that homemade box bin in the yard dubbing off a tin shed ' a 'media performance is only in the conext of the system you present it on .. if your have great materail and a bad PA . play the PA not your materal James brown . made everyone in his band play tight as sin . . small PA's with no dynamic , compact dilivery maximises impact laptops / or what i think a sound system as the instument is the factor that brings people closer to a performance or keeps them isolated .. concious or uncounciously .simon Nelson, Mark wrote:

quoted 268 lines James Brown rocked thousands with barely 500 watts of sound, no subs and

> > >James Brown rocked thousands with barely 500 watts of sound, no subs and > >no monitors - the skill of the performers on stage is equally important. > >Great sound can make up for a lack of talent and crappy sound can rob > >great talent - but the conversation between the artist and the listener > >is paramount. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Simon K [mailto:nil@obscure.co.nz] > >Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 3:23 PM > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > > > >> clear sound system > >> > >> > > > > > > isn't it always about the sound . > > > > the sound is the medium . the reason the artist created > > and the reason the audience come to listen . > > > > sound is the 'sense' we experience > > > > All good events I have ever been to have good sound ' > > literally the sound system ' had a quality that created > > and facilitated peoples ability to listen / communicate > > > > .simon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >/ > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Andrew Jones" <liminal18@mac.com> > >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > >Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 12:08 PM > >Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > > > > > > > > > >>if only people would actually > >>come out to those unique spaces. > >>it's always bars they flock too. > >> > >>- > >>a > >> > >>On Thursday, November 6, 2003, at 06:01 PM, eight fm wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>well put chris! > >>> > >>>k > >>> > >>>http://www.eight-frozen-modules.com/ > >>> > >>>--- Chris Henry <hendawg@earcandymusic.nu> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>>perhaps this is also a decent answer to the "what am > >>>>I paying for?" > >>>>question. I've always looked at performances as > >>>>more of a collective > >>>>experience - a more socially-oriented continuum > >>>>involving physical space, > >>>>artist, performance, spectating, sound, community, > >>>>etc, as opposed to the > >>>>individual, more introverted, and obviously seperate experience of > >>>>listening to a cd at home. Looked at in this light, the > >>>>actual performance > >>>>methodology becomes somewhat secondary. If it's a > >>>>rad time, hanging out > >>>>with nice, enthusiastic people, listening to cool, > >>>>engaging music in a > >>>>unique space, how can you even begin to compare it > >>>>to listening to the cd at > >>>>home? Apples and oranges, folks... > >>>> > >>>>I've never been much of an "artist", but thinking > >>>>about it this way starts > >>>>making me view event promotion/production as a bit > >>>>more artistic than I > >>>>initally thought... > >>>> > >>>>chris > >>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>From: "::dtnl::" <dtnl@digitonal.com> > >>>>To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > >>>>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 7:49 AM > >>>>Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>listen to geoff - he speaks the truth. > >>>>> > >>>>>this shit is always about the vibe of the place. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>our best shows have been > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>in places receptive to what we're doing, and > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>suitable for our music, with > >>>>a > >>>> > >>>> > >. and > > > > > >>>>this goes for whether > >>>>we > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>were a full band or just me and a laptop playing > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>off traktor. no amount > >>>>of > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>gimmiks, visuals, costumes, cute singers or > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>otherwise is going to make a > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>damn bit of difference. > >>>>> > >>>>>that is all. > >>>>> > >>>>>andy.: > >>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>From: "cutups" <cutup@andythepooh.com> > >>>>>To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > >>>>>Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 2:41 PM > >>>>>Subject: Re: [idm] laptop shows > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>In my experience, it really depends on the > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>audience > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>more than the performer. I've seen highly > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>"performance" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>based shows that were horrible, as well as shows > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>that > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>were nothing but music being played back that > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>were great. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>It seems like kids who would specifically be > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>into "idm" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>skew towards some kind of performance. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>But personally i just want to hear something i > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>haven't > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>heard before, played on a good soundsystem. If performance works > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > > > > > > > >>>>>>for the artist, than thats > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>good too. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>>- geoff > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>- > >>> > >>> > >>>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: > >>>>idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>>>For additional commands, e-mail: > >>>>idm-help@hyperreal.org > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>===== > >>>www.eight-frozen-modules.com > >>> > >>>__________________________________ > >>>Do you Yahoo!? > >>>Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard > >>>http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree > >>> > >>>-------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>- > >>>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>Andrew Jones > >>409 E. 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