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Re: [idm] (idm) Re: Why doesn't anyone write dum n' bass anymore.

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2002-05-24 19:47production unit [idm] (idm) Re: Why doesn't anyone write dum n' bass anymore.
2002-05-24 21:16donna summer Re: [idm] (idm) Re: Why doesn't anyone write dum n' bass anymore.
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2002-05-24 23:38production unit Re: [idm] (idm) Re: Why doesn't anyone write dum n' bass anymore.
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2002-05-24 19:47production unitYo, Well, I feel your pain. I used to live on drum 'n' bass, but about 3 years ago I reali
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Yo, Well, I feel your pain. I used to live on drum 'n' bass, but about 3 years ago I realised that there was really nothing new happening on the scene. It was essentially turning into electronic heavy metal, either trying weakly to just get harder and more punishing or else just rahashing the same tired old methods. Nothing new was happening at all, and for a musical style whose main asset was it's progression that was a very sad state of affairs. I think it got caught into the cul de sac of always just looking for the next extreme. Unfortunately, dispite the protestations of the music media, this is essentially still the case. I haven't heard a D 'n' B tune made in these past 3 years that couldn't have been made in the 2 years previous. The only slight exceptions I can think of are the hard stuff with a mild rave element (eg Total Science), which actually manages to be derivative both of the rave and early DnB style it takes it's cue from and current tuff DnB, and the Hospital records idiom of again taking rave sounds (like pitched up vocal samples) and this time applying them to the jazzy stuff, with slightly harder percussion. Neither of these really float my boat. I thrive on 'newness', and drum 'n' bass just doesn't give me that. Sure, there have been good records made, such as Digital's superbly titled 'Dubzilla', but this just a vaguely more accomlished version of older, dark D 'n' B, and that is not enough to make me want to pay the usual extortionate rates for D 'n' B vinyl (made in the land where more than one track per side of vinyl is tantamount to peeing on another man's mother). I feel like this music is suffering in the same way reggae did after it's boom. I hope it doesn't take as long a time to rediscover it's creative juice as that did, waiting for the digi dancehall stuff to drop. That 'voice of doom' rant said, though, I'd be delighted if there was real advancement being made, and if anyone can prove me wrong I'd be thrilled. If you don't have it, you really should get Teebee's first album 'black science labs', it's a killer, and the nearest thing to development there's been imo. It's from 2000, though, and his follow-up, 'eyes of a scorpion' was a bit lame to me. His bootleg of Missy Elliot rocks too. Licka sha! (an' 'tings), Papa D. P.S. everyone in the world should buy the El-P album The Marcia Blaine School for Girls: marciablaine.cjb.net available: s/t e.p. on Dalriada (Ideal) inclusion on Benbecula "Music Volume 2" (Baked Goods) The Marcia Blaine School Disco Vol. 1 (ramshackle CDR mix album) forthcoming: live in Barcelona, Apolo, 16th June inclusion on Law & Auder "I Am:Bient" inclusion on Struktur compilation _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-05-24 21:16donna summer>P.S. everyone in the world should buy the El-P album You are SOOOO right! This album is f
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quoted 1 line P.S. everyone in the world should buy the El-P album>P.S. everyone in the world should buy the El-P album
You are SOOOO right! This album is fucking unreal! He's got so many different ideas bouncing everywhere and the production is so wierd! Seems liek he's teh next generation all by himself! DS _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-05-24 21:52entiteeI like El-P's beats and his flow/delivery. however, sometimes the overproduction, whether
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I like El-P's beats and his flow/delivery. however, sometimes the overproduction, whether it's him yelling/rhyming while overlapping his own lyrics or too much reverb or just plain noisy samples, becomes annoying. So i get mixed feelings listening to his cd. Another one is Antipop Consortium's cd on Warp. I love the 2nd half but the 1st half bores me. --kev/entitee http://entitee.com/dnb on 5/24/02 2:16 PM, donna summer at donnasummerwfmu@hotmail.com wrote:
quoted 17 lines P.S. everyone in the world should buy the El-P album> >> P.S. everyone in the world should buy the El-P album > > > You are SOOOO right! This album is fucking unreal! He's got so many > different ideas bouncing everywhere and the production is so wierd! Seems > liek he's teh next generation all by himself! > DS > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-05-24 23:38production unitYep, but strangley I love this album and didn't dig CanOx at all. I think the productions
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Yep, but strangley I love this album and didn't dig CanOx at all. I think the productions a lot less sluggish, and the drums in particular are less of that late Co Flow muddied way. Plus, dude is the illest on the mic. I believe that's the correct expression. Easy, Papa D.
quoted 14 lines From: "donna summer" <donnasummerwfmu@hotmail.com>>From: "donna summer" <donnasummerwfmu@hotmail.com> >To: productionunit@hotmail.com, wells@submute.net, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] (idm) Re: Why doesn't anyone write dum n' bass anymore. >Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 17:16:00 -0400 > > >>P.S. everyone in the world should buy the El-P album > > >You are SOOOO right! This album is fucking unreal! He's got so many >different ideas bouncing everywhere and the production is so wierd! Seems >liek he's teh next generation all by himself! >DS >
The Marcia Blaine School for Girls: marciablaine.cjb.net available: s/t e.p. on Dalriada (Ideal) inclusion on Benbecula "Music Volume 2" (Baked Goods) The Marcia Blaine School Disco Vol. 1 (ramshackle CDR mix album) forthcoming: live in Barcelona, Apolo, 16th June inclusion on Law & Auder "I Am:Bient" inclusion on Struktur compilation _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org