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2002-04-18 19:41donna summerHello, Also played a laptop show last night but people seemed to dig it. One thing I've le

From:: donna summer <donnasummerwfmu@hotmail.com>
To:: <auctionaire@hotmail.com>, <adm226@nyu.edu>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:41:13 -0400
Subject:: Re: [idm] IDM concerts

Hello, Also played a laptop show last night but people seemed to dig it. One thing I've learned is that, if you're into you're own music - and it compells you to move- then people will generally do the same, or at least enjoy watching you more. When I play, I fucking freakout because I like what I do. It's for me, and if others want to rock out, then they can. A lame laptop show is just as bad as a lame metal band with explosives (ok, maybe not...) but my point is that a bad show will alwyas be bad whatever the category. Donna www.cockrockdisco.com

quoted 108 lines I just played a laptop show last night and I agree with you. Laptop shows

> >I just played a laptop show last night and I agree with you. Laptop shows >are a little rediculous to watch and I personally feel rediculous doing >them. There is definately something to be said for live performance. In >order for a show to be a truly live performance there must be some kind of >engaging performance for the audience. Sitting in front of a laptop is not >very engaging. Aaron's mentioning of Mouse on Mars and Matmos are very >appropriate examples of what an engaging show can be like when performing >in >the experimental electronic realm of music. I think people will get tired >of >the whole laptop gimmick after a while. > > >>From: Aaron D Meyers <adm226@nyu.edu> >>To: "Rafael U." <rafredy@hotmail.com>, idm@hyperreal.org >>Subject: Re: [idm] IDM concerts >>Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:28:29 -0400 >> >>Well, I've been feeling pretty jaded about this stuf lately. Most of >>the time, in my experience, there is someone behind a laptop doing god- >>knows-what or messing around with faders or eq on their mixer. That >>stuff is not fun to watch. However, I don't have much of a problem >>with this if its in a kind of dance oriented atmosphere. >> >>A lof of the time I find that the performer doesn't drop enough of a >>hook or beat for dancing to happen. Either that or its just sort of >>ambient stuff. In the case of ambient stuff, I can deal with it >>sometimes if I have a comfortable place to sit down and its especially >>nice if there are some decent visual projections. However, experience >>has taught me that I get really tired of those kind of things if I >>can't sit down. Maybe its because I'm flat-footed and my feet get sore >>easily or maybe its because I'd much rather listen to that kind of >>stuff on headphones in the comfort of my room rather than standing >>often without breathing space. >> >>But then there is the upside of live IDM. Acts like Matmos and Mouse >>on Mars that bring in live instruments to mix with their laptops. For >>me, this is the kind of thing I'd like to see more of. There just >>always seems to be more energy in these shows. Laptops just have a >>very alienating nature. The person HAS to stare directly into their >>screen. It's as if they are permanently distracted from the audience >>they are performing for. With a guitar or keyboard, most of the time >>people don't have to keep their eyes on what their hands are doing, but >>I've never seen someone using a laptop like this. And its not even the >>case that people playing traditional instruments are always or ever >>engaging the audience with their face or otherwise, but its still a lot >>different from the laptop performer who might as well be alone in a >>room with their laptops. >> >>Which is another thing: interplay. Another thing acts like Matmos and >>MoM have going for them. And the sense of spontanaity. Alright... >>sorry if that rant wasn't to cohesive, but I hope some of these >>thoughts might lead to further exploration in your article. >> >>-Aaron >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Rafael U." <rafredy@hotmail.com> >>Date: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:03 pm >>Subject: [idm] IDM concerts >> >> > hi, i'm working on an article about IDM, i'm peruvian so i've >> > never had the >> > chance to be on a live show. that kind of music it's new here, >> > there's just >> > a few people who kows about it and who listens to it, so there's >> > no IDM >> > scene around here, and therefore they are no concerts. so if >> > anyone could >> > describe me how it's a typical live show, considering that most of >> > IDM it's >> > computer music, i'll be very gratefull. i'll like to know, also, >> > how does >> > the musicians and the audience seems to behavior, seeing it form a >> > sociological perspective. >> > thak you again. >> > cheers >> > >> > _________________________________________________________________ >> > MSN Photos es la manera m?s sencilla de compartir e imprimir sus >> > fotos: >> > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > -- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > >> > >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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2002-04-18 18:47Department of Coffee Procurementwell the first thing motherfuckers need to do is kick the chair off to the side, stand up

From:: Department of Coffee Procurement <unit@they.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:47:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] IDM concerts
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well the first thing motherfuckers need to do is kick the chair off to the side, stand up and shake ass a little. theres nothing more boring than lookiing at someone who looks like theyre filing their taxes online live on stage.. throw food at the audience. wear some devil horns and hide underneath your table...get some strippers..whatever. just do something more entertaining than sitting. if im close to home i like to bring as much outboard gear as possible..not a particular fan of software synths really. i mean.look at orbital. you may not like them and theyre probably not doing jack dick balls up there but just LOOK at all that fuckin gear. gear at a live show makes me want to touch myself. On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, donna summer wrote:

quoted 136 lines Hello,

> Hello, > Also played a laptop show last night but people seemed to dig it. One thing > I've learned is that, if you're into you're own music - and it compells you > to move- then people will generally do the same, or at least enjoy watching > you more. When I play, I fucking freakout because I like what I do. It's > for me, and if others want to rock out, then they can. > > A lame laptop show is just as bad as a lame metal band with explosives (ok, > maybe not...) but my point is that a bad show will alwyas be bad whatever > the category. > > Donna > www.cockrockdisco.com > > > > > > >I just played a laptop show last night and I agree with you. Laptop shows > >are a little rediculous to watch and I personally feel rediculous doing > >them. There is definately something to be said for live performance. In > >order for a show to be a truly live performance there must be some kind of > >engaging performance for the audience. Sitting in front of a laptop is not > >very engaging. Aaron's mentioning of Mouse on Mars and Matmos are very > >appropriate examples of what an engaging show can be like when performing > >in > >the experimental electronic realm of music. I think people will get tired > >of > >the whole laptop gimmick after a while. > > > > > >>From: Aaron D Meyers <adm226@nyu.edu> > >>To: "Rafael U." <rafredy@hotmail.com>, idm@hyperreal.org > >>Subject: Re: [idm] IDM concerts > >>Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 13:28:29 -0400 > >> > >>Well, I've been feeling pretty jaded about this stuf lately. Most of > >>the time, in my experience, there is someone behind a laptop doing god- > >>knows-what or messing around with faders or eq on their mixer. That > >>stuff is not fun to watch. However, I don't have much of a problem > >>with this if its in a kind of dance oriented atmosphere. > >> > >>A lof of the time I find that the performer doesn't drop enough of a > >>hook or beat for dancing to happen. Either that or its just sort of > >>ambient stuff. In the case of ambient stuff, I can deal with it > >>sometimes if I have a comfortable place to sit down and its especially > >>nice if there are some decent visual projections. However, experience > >>has taught me that I get really tired of those kind of things if I > >>can't sit down. Maybe its because I'm flat-footed and my feet get sore > >>easily or maybe its because I'd much rather listen to that kind of > >>stuff on headphones in the comfort of my room rather than standing > >>often without breathing space. > >> > >>But then there is the upside of live IDM. Acts like Matmos and Mouse > >>on Mars that bring in live instruments to mix with their laptops. For > >>me, this is the kind of thing I'd like to see more of. There just > >>always seems to be more energy in these shows. Laptops just have a > >>very alienating nature. The person HAS to stare directly into their > >>screen. It's as if they are permanently distracted from the audience > >>they are performing for. With a guitar or keyboard, most of the time > >>people don't have to keep their eyes on what their hands are doing, but > >>I've never seen someone using a laptop like this. And its not even the > >>case that people playing traditional instruments are always or ever > >>engaging the audience with their face or otherwise, but its still a lot > >>different from the laptop performer who might as well be alone in a > >>room with their laptops. > >> > >>Which is another thing: interplay. Another thing acts like Matmos and > >>MoM have going for them. And the sense of spontanaity. Alright... > >>sorry if that rant wasn't to cohesive, but I hope some of these > >>thoughts might lead to further exploration in your article. > >> > >>-Aaron > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: "Rafael U." <rafredy@hotmail.com> > >>Date: Thursday, April 18, 2002 1:03 pm > >>Subject: [idm] IDM concerts > >> > >> > hi, i'm working on an article about IDM, i'm peruvian so i've > >> > never had the > >> > chance to be on a live show. that kind of music it's new here, > >> > there's just > >> > a few people who kows about it and who listens to it, so there's > >> > no IDM > >> > scene around here, and therefore they are no concerts. so if > >> > anyone could > >> > describe me how it's a typical live show, considering that most of > >> > IDM it's > >> > computer music, i'll be very gratefull. i'll like to know, also, > >> > how does > >> > the musicians and the audience seems to behavior, seeing it form a > >> > sociological perspective. > >> > thak you again. > >> > cheers > >> > > >> > _________________________________________________________________ > >> > MSN Photos es la manera m?s sencilla de compartir e imprimir sus > >> > fotos: > >> > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > -- > >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >> > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >> > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > >http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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2002-04-20 17:39carcusOn Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Department of Coffee Procurement wrote: > well the first thing mother

From:: carcus <carcus@carcus.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Sat, 20 Apr 2002 10:39:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject:: Re: [idm] IDM concerts
Reply to:: Re: [idm] IDM concerts

On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Department of Coffee Procurement wrote:

quoted 11 lines well the first thing motherfuckers need to do is kick the chair off to

> well the first thing motherfuckers need to do is kick the chair off to > the side, stand up and shake ass a little. theres nothing more boring > than lookiing at someone who looks like theyre filing their taxes online > live on stage.. throw food at the audience. wear some devil horns and > hide underneath your table...get some strippers..whatever. just do > something more entertaining than sitting. if im close to home i like to > bring as much outboard gear as possible..not a particular fan of software > synths really. i mean.look at orbital. you may not like them and theyre > probably not doing jack dick balls up there but just LOOK at all that > fuckin gear. gear at a live show makes me want to touch myself. >

i totally agree here. the other night i went to see a certain artist hoping to see a really good show, don't get me wrong the music was good, but i was just a little dissapointed by the methods he used to perform live. It was pretty much him set up with some sort of portable studio and everything was kinda bussed out to other mixers. he had a laptop and there were some synths he brought which the artist before him used a little. At first i was like ok, (judging from the ableton sticker on the laptop) he's using some audio sequencing program as well as a midi sequencer for the synths. neither. the laptop had loaded a bunch of one-shot samples, i was totally pissed, although the music was good, but i could have done it at home with his album and a large pair of speakers. -- carcus http://www.carcus.net/ :random sig content: Band a Minute Quote of the day: Tortoise I like Miles Davis. Buy my 30 different remix records. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2002-04-19 12:43Julien QuintOn Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 03:41:13PM -0400, donna summer wrote: > Hello, > Also played a lap

From:: Julien Quint <Julien.Quint@imag.fr>
To:: donna summer <donnasummerwfmu@hotmail.com>
Cc:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:43:54 +0200
Subject:: Re: [idm] IDM concerts
Reply to:: Re: [idm] IDM concerts

On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 03:41:13PM -0400, donna summer wrote:

quoted 10 lines Hello,

I don't think a laptop is going to be lame because it is a laptop show. I saw Oval, just standing behind his computer, and it was a great "performance". Farmers Manual, who I love on record, were a great disapointment, however the setting was almost identical. A laptop show does not mean *no* setting, for instance when Fennesz/O'Rourke/Rehberg played in Paris, there was a very interesting -- and minimal -- stage setting (a large, bare desk, and the three guys standing behind it playing their laptop). One interesting thing is that "live performace", as in a bunch of guys rocking out on stage, does not necessarily mean fresh performance. A few months ago, Michael Northam played a piece which had been made the previous week, I find this more spontaneous than a rock band playing the same tunes over and over every night for weeks on end... Julien --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2002-04-19 15:02j snodanother preconceived notion that has carried over from rock/hiphop/etc is that laptop perf

From:: j snod <jordan@actualsize.com>
To:: Intelligent Wanking Music <idm@hyperreal.org>
Date:: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 08:02:39 -0700
Subject:: Re: [idm] IDM concerts are too long.

another preconceived notion that has carried over from rock/hiphop/etc is that laptop performers seem to believe that their sets need to be 60+ minutes long. unless you're the headliner and/or autechre or plaid and tickets cost $15, don't be so full of yourself.. keep the laptop sets around 20-30 mins, and people will leave wanting more rather than wanting the performer to leave. at more than 35/40 minutes people reach the "man this guy has been playing a long time.. who's the next performer?" plateau. to me the ideal "IDM" show is more like a showcase - many acts of varying styles, short sets, back to back, no downtime between acts. wham, bam, thank you mam. THIS makes it interesting for the crowd, especially a crowd of newbies who are coming from the rock/hiphop arenas... if the acts themselves can't make it interesting, it's up to the promoters - and this is one way to accomplish that. the crowd leaves saying, "dude, what the fuck was THAT all about?" rather than "dude, that show was boring." -j --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Re: [idm] IDM concerts are too long.