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2001-09-25 17:59nat hawks Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
├─ 2001-09-25 18:16Greg Clow Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
├─ 2001-09-25 18:35Andrei Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
├─ 2001-09-25 18:37Adam Piontek [idm] IDM going down the tubes (was Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv)
└─ 2001-09-26 03:44Nintari Man Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
└─ 2001-09-26 16:36Thorsten Sideb0ard Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv
2001-09-26 06:56philippe petit [idm] people standing in front of laptops with guitars
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2001-09-25 17:59nat hawksi fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM i've been coming ac
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i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM i've been coming across. it's getting too complacent. where is the passion?! there's no fire in this music. too passive. i came into this music through early aphex and mu-ziq. that shit rocks like anything rocks. it kicks ass. IDM these days seems way way too glossy and dreamy and dead. and as a disclaimer i'll claim ignorance of every niche of the scene right now, so dont get mad at me, show me what there is... i'll take vanetian snares over tel aviv...
quoted 31 lines From: "brian albers" <brianalbers@hotmail.com>>From: "brian albers" <brianalbers@hotmail.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv >Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:40:39 -0700 > > > > >>>Ok... so today I picked up the Telefon Tel Aviv album everyone is >>>raving about. I'm happy to say that it does live up to all the stuff I'd >>>heard and I really like it. > >I heard it last night. Sure it's well done and very pleasant, but it's just >soooo damn mellow. It's the sort of thing I could put on when my parents >come to visit me and we could all sit around the house and enjoy it. > >Could be mentioned in the same breath as Lexaunculpt's dreamier stuff, >Arovane's Tides, Crunch or E*vax. > >If trance is the new country, then idm is (getting to be) the new muzak. >This one should be hitting a dental office or an elevator near you any day >now. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-09-25 18:16Greg ClowAt 01:59 PM 25/09/01, nat hawks wrote: >i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to
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At 01:59 PM 25/09/01, nat hawks wrote:
quoted 7 lines i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM>i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM >i've been coming across. it's getting too complacent. where is the >passion?! >there's no fire in this music. too passive. > >i came into this music through early aphex and mu-ziq. that shit rocks >like anything rocks. it kicks ass.
Well personally, I don't think that music has to "rock" or "kick ass" (two descriptive terms which annoy me to no end) to be passionate. On the contrary, some of the most passionate music ever recorded is about as far from being aggressive as can be imagined. Check out some of Billie Holiday's more mournful songs like "Strange Fruit", or Sinatra tracks like "In The Wee Small Hours" and "It Was A Very Good Year", and tell me that you don't hear any passion. Yes, there's a place in the electronic spectrum for noisy, "kick ass" stuff like early Aphex and mu-Ziq, and Venetian Snares, and the like. When I'm in the mood for something heavy and fun, I'm perfectly fine with that. But there's also a place for more mellow, introspective, melodic work, and there can be just as much "passion" in that stuff if you're in the right frame of mind. Greg --- Greg Clow - greg@stainedproductions.com - greg@feedbackmonitor.com concert & event promotions - http://www.stainedproductions.com electronic music radio/reviews/interviews - http://www.feedbackmonitor.com 158 Close Ave. 2nd Floor - Toronto, Ontario M6K 2V5 - Canada --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-25 18:35AndreiOn Tue, 25 Sep 2001, nat hawks wrote: > i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, nat hawks wrote:
quoted 10 lines i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM i've> i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM i've > been coming across. it's getting too complacent. where is the passion?! > there's no fire in this music. too passive. > > i came into this music through early aphex and mu-ziq. that shit rocks like > anything rocks. it kicks ass. IDM these days seems way way too glossy and > dreamy and dead. and as a disclaimer i'll claim ignorance of every niche of > the scene right now, so dont get mad at me, show me what there is... > > i'll take vanetian snares over tel aviv...
What about the last/new Squarepusher ? Otto Von Schirach ? Phthalocyanine ? (I guess he hasn't released anything in a while though) Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-25 18:37Adam PiontekIs it time again already for this discussion? The "where's all the good stuff?" discussion
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Is it time again already for this discussion? The "where's all the good stuff?" discussion? "It's all too [noisy, wanky, DSP'd, simple, difficult, melodic, beaty, smooth, crunchy, whatever you hate] lately; where's all the good stuff I used to like?" 1) There is no "new IDM vs. old IDM". There are numerous artists doing a broad range of styles. 1b) There *are* more artists and a broader range of styles now than there have been in the past. This is a good thing. 2) If you don't like what you're listening to, turn it off. 3) If you prefer what you were listening to previously, go back to it. Enjoy it. You went through the effort of obtaining it, didn't you? 4) If you absolutely must have new music, try out new stuff. Don't expect to like everything. 4a) If you try out artists X, Y, and Z, and none of them appeal to you, don't assume that you've tried out every artist and therefore know everything, and definitely don't start complaining that "all this new IDM is so [_____]; what happened to the good stuff?" 4b) Maybe ask the list for suggestions. Say what you liked before, what you don't like now; you're bound to get some good pointers. Again, keep in mind that you won't like everything, nor will every suggestion be a good one *for you*. 5) Are Telefon Tel Aviv really IDM? What is IDM anyway? 5b) Don't you even dare to ask the list the question posed in #5 above, ask it of yourself. 6) If you're going to complain about the "sad state of IDM today" or some such nonsense, don't conclude your message with a statement like "i'll take vanetian snares over tel aviv..." Obviously you know a current artist that you do like, and all you wanted to do was express distaste and negativity towards another current artist that you don't like. 6b) In other words, if you're enjoying some music, and other people are enjoying different music, and you don't like the music that other people are enjoying, it's very childish and pathetic to try to turn the situation into a pissing match over whose favorite artists are "better." (As if such a thing were even possible...) -Adam (who has violate most, if not all, of these points at one time or another in the past, but learned from his mistakes ;) --- nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 16 lines i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to> i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to > get erked by the IDM i've > been coming across. it's getting too complacent. > where is the passion?! > there's no fire in this music. too passive. > > i came into this music through early aphex and > mu-ziq. that shit rocks like > anything rocks. it kicks ass. IDM these days seems > way way too glossy and > dreamy and dead. and as a disclaimer i'll claim > ignorance of every niche of > the scene right now, so dont get mad at me, show me > what there is... > > i'll take vanetian snares over tel aviv...
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2001-09-26 03:44Nintari ManBleh. Those of us who enjoy chilling out are all about it. I'm very happy that someone is
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Bleh. Those of us who enjoy chilling out are all about it. I'm very happy that someone is finally successfully melding chicagoesque (read: tortoise) post rock type stuff with IDM. (yeah, tortoise has some idm'y tracks, but they've always just kind of flirted with it, for the most part.) More people standing in front of laptops with guitars, please. I love it. --nm On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, nat hawks wrote:
quoted 59 lines Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:59:46 -0400> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 13:59:46 -0400 > From: nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> > To: brianalbers@hotmail.com, idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv > > i fully agree with brian here and i'm starting to get erked by the IDM i've > been coming across. it's getting too complacent. where is the passion?! > there's no fire in this music. too passive. > > i came into this music through early aphex and mu-ziq. that shit rocks like > anything rocks. it kicks ass. IDM these days seems way way too glossy and > dreamy and dead. and as a disclaimer i'll claim ignorance of every niche of > the scene right now, so dont get mad at me, show me what there is... > > i'll take vanetian snares over tel aviv... > > > > >From: "brian albers" <brianalbers@hotmail.com> > >To: idm@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [idm] Telefon Tel Aviv > >Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 08:40:39 -0700 > > > > > > > > > >>>Ok... so today I picked up the Telefon Tel Aviv album everyone is > >>>raving about. I'm happy to say that it does live up to all the stuff I'd > >>>heard and I really like it. > > > >I heard it last night. Sure it's well done and very pleasant, but it's just > >soooo damn mellow. It's the sort of thing I could put on when my parents > >come to visit me and we could all sit around the house and enjoy it. > > > >Could be mentioned in the same breath as Lexaunculpt's dreamier stuff, > >Arovane's Tides, Crunch or E*vax. > > > >If trance is the new country, then idm is (getting to be) the new muzak. > >This one should be hitting a dental office or an elevator near you any day > >now. > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-09-26 16:36Thorsten Sideb0ard> Bleh. Those of us who enjoy chilling out are all about it. I'm very happy > that someone
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quoted 3 lines Bleh. Those of us who enjoy chilling out are all about it. I'm very happy> Bleh. Those of us who enjoy chilling out are all about it. I'm very happy > that someone is finally successfully melding chicagoesque > (read: tortoise) post rock type stuff with IDM. (yeah, tortoise has some
i picked it up as well, and it certainly sounds pretty. I'm really into the idea of guitars with laptops, but i personally find the guitars on Telefon Tel Aviv a bit too clean and polished; most certainly Tortoise-esque, but in that almost classicaly trained jazz way. -th --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-09-26 06:56philippe petit> > More people standing in front of laptops with guitars, please. I love it. > oren ambar
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> > More people standing in front of laptops with guitars, please. I love it. > oren ambarchi, christian fennesz, neotropic... | 0000 \\\\.. \\\\ __ http://www.bip-hop.com _---||||...\\\\..\\\\ | 0000 --------- unconventional sound adventures ---------- <> | XXX ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨ adventurous & creative electronica ----------- \\