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quoted 1 line http://www.k

> http://www.kompakt-mp3.net/

Wheeeeeeee! Errr... I mean, like, whoa. Finally a way to get the 12"es without all that user-unfriendly vinyl stuff... :) And since they don't state it anywhere on the site - at least the "Regensburg Remixe" 12" from Markus Guentner was encoded at 320kbps all the way, plus a 71kB PDF with the tracklisting and a cover scan. -- Kurt Bernhard Pruenner --- Haendelstrasse 17 --- 4020 Linz --- Austria .......It might be written "Mindfuck", but it's spelt "L-A-I-N"....... np: Markus Guentner - Regensburg (Kompakt Mix) (Regensburg Remixe) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 18 lines theREALmxyzptlk wrote:

>theREALmxyzptlk wrote: > > >>http://www.kompakt-mp3.net/ >> >> > >Wheeeeeeee! > >Errr... I mean, like, whoa. Finally a way to get the 12"es without all >that user-unfriendly vinyl stuff... :) > >And since they don't state it anywhere on the site - at least the >"Regensburg Remixe" 12" from Markus Guentner was encoded at 320kbps all >the way, plus a 71kB PDF with the tracklisting and a cover scan. > > >

Everything I've downloaded sounds like it was encoded at a very good rate - I dropped 70 eu last night on some otherwise unavailable material. Great idea. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Any advice for what to get off this list?

quoted 6 lines theREALmxyzptlk wrote:

>theREALmxyzptlk wrote: > > >>http://www.kompakt-mp3.net/ >> >>

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Lol.. replying to myself here... To rephrase (no, I'm not trying to unsub): What mp3 purchases do you recommend from this website? -ed Ed Colmar wrote:

quoted 16 lines Any advice for what to get off this list?

> > Any advice for what to get off this list? > >> theREALmxyzptlk wrote: >> >> >>> http://www.kompakt-mp3.net/ >>> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Ed Colmar wrote:

quoted 9 lines Lol.. replying to myself here...

> Lol.. replying to myself here... > > To rephrase (no, I'm not trying to unsub): > > What mp3 purchases do you recommend from this website? > > -ed > > Ed Colmar wrote:

Generally I am using it for vinyls which are oop or not handy, but the Robag Wruhme : Jena Makks, the 2 Dollar Egg on Nummer (as well as several other Nummers - I like the Besier/Lorber : Mizu a lot), Denis Karimani's "War Es Nicht" is sweet, Krause Duo, Hannes Teichmann - check out the Cadenza label also. Much of this is in the "back catalogue" section. The Dublee stuff is nice. I think they have samples up of this stuff too. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Ed Colmar wrote:

quoted 8 lines Any advice for what to get off this list?

> > Any advice for what to get off this list? > >> theREALmxyzptlk wrote: >> >> >>> http://www.kompakt-mp3.net/ >>

The Sub Static and Trapez labels are great, too. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Tut. Doesn't support Opera 8 beta. It loses. Neil --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Neil Walsh wrote:

quoted 6 lines Tut. Doesn't support Opera 8 beta. It loses.

>Tut. Doesn't support Opera 8 beta. It loses. > >Neil > > >

So do you :-) jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

fuck opera getfirefox.com -xenlab On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:50:56 -0500, theREALmxyzptlk <theREALmxyzptlk@comcast.net> wrote:

quoted 18 lines Neil Walsh wrote:

> Neil Walsh wrote: > > >Tut. Doesn't support Opera 8 beta. It loses. > > > >Neil > > > > > > > So do you :-) > > jeff > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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theREALmxyzptlk wrote:

quoted 2 lines Everything I've downloaded sounds like it was encoded at a very good

> Everything I've downloaded sounds like it was encoded at a very good > rate

That's what I was getting at... :)

quoted 2 lines I dropped 70 eu last night on some otherwise unavailable

> I dropped 70 eu last night on some otherwise unavailable > material. Great idea.

Yep. My poor wallet - it's already 12EUR lighter... :/ Granted, I'll still buy CDs, but for stuff not on CD it's perfect - same as Bleep (and the stuff from Studio !K7 that's also sold in MP3 form)... -- Kurt Bernhard Pruenner --- Haendelstrasse 17 --- 4020 Linz --- Austria .......It might be written "Mindfuck", but it's spelt "L-A-I-N"....... np: Markus Guentner - Chrom (Regensburg Remixe) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mar 20, 2005, at 8:14 AM, Kurt Bernhard Pruenner wrote:

quoted 4 lines Granted, I'll still buy CDs, but for stuff not on CD it's perfect -

> Granted, I'll still buy CDs, but for stuff not on CD it's perfect - > same > as Bleep (and the stuff from Studio !K7 that's also sold in MP3 > form)...

It (and the others you mentioned) are great ideas but until someone steps up and sells high quality lossless versions of the songs I won't be (as) interested. Mp3 is certainly fine at high enough bitrates, but come on people, we need to offer lossless versions too. That is my only gripe with iTunes Music Store in fact; that there's not an option for people such as myself to buy a lossless version of the audio. Even if it's DRM'ed. I don't care about DRM as long as it's as generous as Apple's is (can be transfered to unlimited iPods, can be burned essentially limitless, can be transfered to up to 5 PC's/Macs, can be streamed/shared across your personal LAN/network). The other main flaw in iTunes (and I e-mailed them to let them know a year or more ago) -- and presumably all the sites you mentioned -- is the lack of high quality PDFs of the artwork. As someone who values the whole "package" as it were, a small (or even large) lossy jpg of the cover does not suffice. I require the liner notes, the front cover, back cover, and anything else the artist originally intended you to see. Preferably self-contained in a high quality PDF so I can print them out (or easily browse through on my computer). Likewise, it would be nice if the art that goes on the CD itself were included so that I can make a direct CD burn of the album and print it out with my CD-printable inkjet Epson printer. In summation, I applaud all websites mentioned -- and especially like iTunes Music Store for its wide selection, speed, ease of use, etc. -- but until they offer lossless audio and PDF artwork, I will stick to buying CDs. -- Mr. Tangent [the binary police] www.mrtangent.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

John/Slackonomics wrote:

quoted 2 lines but until they offer lossless audio and PDF artwork, I will stick to

> but until they offer lossless audio and PDF artwork, I will stick to > buying CDs.

Well, that's all well and good (and what I'm doing basically), but there's a hell of a load of 12"es you'll never get on CD that are on sale as MP3s here (not to mention that vinyl is probably worse than 192 kbps MP3s from digital masters)... and don't even get me started about Digital Restrictions Management... Also, I'm encoding everything at 192kbps and I'm fine with that as long as I have backups (i.e. originals); I'll probably reencode the 320kbps files down to 192kbps for my MP3 discman... -- Kurt Bernhard Pruenner --- Haendelstrasse 17 --- 4020 Linz --- Austria .......It might be written "Mindfuck", but it's spelt "L-A-I-N"....... np: Markus Guentner - Regensburg 3 (Regensburg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mar 20, 2005, at 9:13 AM, Kurt Bernhard Pruenner wrote:

quoted 5 lines Well, that's all well and good (and what I'm doing basically), but

> Well, that's all well and good (and what I'm doing basically), but > there's a hell of a load of 12"es you'll never get on CD that are on > sale as MP3s here (not to mention that vinyl is probably worse than 192 > kbps MP3s from digital masters)... and don't even get me started about > Digital Restrictions Management...

Yeah, I think it's fantastic they're offering this service. Don't get me wrong... I don't like vinyl either (the artwork/liner notes are awesome on vinyl though). I own a few dozen pieces on vinyl but the surest way for an artist to get me not to listen to something is to offer it only on vinyl and/or put it out in some ridiculously hard to open limited edition box/digipack. If I can't get to the CD easily, then I won't bother listening to it. And vinyl is such a chore to keep dust-free, keep from skipping, having to flip over that I generally don't bother. Lastly, vinyl is utterly impossible to play in a car/on the move. Before all the vinyl purists attack me, it sounds fantastic if you have the proper equipment. But then there's the issue of degradation. Every time you play vinyl it worsens the sound (unless you buy one of those wonderfully expensive optical vinyl readers). I think most vinyl purists would argue that vinyl (on proper equipment) is miles better sounding than 192 kpbs mp3s, not to mention it is conceivably better sounding than the digital masters themselves, provided it were recorded entirely on professional analog equipment to begin with. I'm a digital purist in every regard, but most audiophiles concede that digital even at the highest resolution 24-bit, 192khz, stereo isn't really as good as professional quality analog. I'm talking about Studer 2" reel-to-reel, Neve/SSL, etc. With all that said, it's a great idea. If the lossless audio files were made directly from the digital copies (i.e. original source AIFF or WAV files) then it'd be essentially a perfect bit-for-bit copy of the original file before the vinyl was pressed (and certainly much better than a mp3 copy).

quoted 3 lines Also, I'm encoding everything at 192kbps and I'm fine with that as long

> Also, I'm encoding everything at 192kbps and I'm fine with that as long > as I have backups (i.e. originals); I'll probably reencode the 320kbps > files down to 192kbps for my MP3 discman...

The only problem with going mp3 (or AAC/Ogg) over FLAC/Shorten/APE/Apple Lossless is that what about the future? What if you want to make CD burns of the audio? What if you want to listen with high quality Sennheiser (or whatever) headphones? I don't like the idea of encoding my 2000+ CD collection in a lossy format because of the future. What I mean is... if you lock yourself in to a format like mp3, and later this new whizbang codec comes out that only takes up 1 megabyte for an entire CD and is a perfect lossless copy of the original CD... then what will you do? If you go your route you'll have to "transcode" from a lossy format to this new format. Generally transcoding brings artifacts and other unwarranted distortion/loss of audio fidelity. If you chose a lossless format you get all the benefits of the original CD recording (i.e. absolutely no loss of sound due to compression) with the added benefit of smaller size AND the ability to uncompress back to the original WAV/AIFF source material in case you want to go to a new codec in the future. Obviously the compression ratio isn't as good as with mp3/aac/ogg, but it's roughly half the size of the source AIFF/WAV/CD, which I can live with. Granted you (personally) still have the originals to extract from in the future, but it's infinitely easier to extract it in mass (say, with a batch process) from the lossless copies than it is to RE-rip your entire collection and re-encode. All in all, I'm very hesitant to use a lossy codec like mp3/AAC or Ogg Vorbis due to all the factors I mentioned. And for the sake of uniformity and audio fidelity, I expect that the music I buy also be lossless. Great idea, but more could be done. But kudos and props for the effort. It's not unappreciated. :) -- Mr. Tangent [the binary police] www.mrtangent.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

This is why I love reading the IDM list --- John/Slackonomics <slack@slackonomics.com> wrote:

quoted 130 lines On Mar 20, 2005, at 9:13 AM, Kurt Bernhard Pruenner

> On Mar 20, 2005, at 9:13 AM, Kurt Bernhard Pruenner > wrote: > > > Yeah, I think it's fantastic they're offering this > service. Don't get > me wrong... I don't like vinyl either (the > artwork/liner notes are > awesome on vinyl though). I own a few dozen pieces > on vinyl but the > surest way for an artist to get me not to listen to > something is to > offer it only on vinyl and/or put it out in some > ridiculously hard to > open limited edition box/digipack. If I can't get > to the CD easily, > then I won't bother listening to it. And vinyl is > such a chore to keep > dust-free, keep from skipping, having to flip over > that I generally > don't bother. Lastly, vinyl is utterly impossible > to play in a car/on > the move. > > Before all the vinyl purists attack me, it sounds > fantastic if you have > the proper equipment. But then there's the issue of > degradation. > Every time you play vinyl it worsens the sound > (unless you buy one of > those wonderfully expensive optical vinyl readers). > > I think most vinyl purists would argue that vinyl > (on proper equipment) > is miles better sounding than 192 kpbs mp3s, not to > mention it is > conceivably better sounding than the digital masters > themselves, > provided it were recorded entirely on professional > analog equipment to > begin with. I'm a digital purist in every regard, > but most audiophiles > concede that digital even at the highest resolution > 24-bit, 192khz, > stereo isn't really as good as professional quality > analog. I'm > talking about Studer 2" reel-to-reel, Neve/SSL, etc. > > With all that said, it's a great idea. If the > lossless audio files > were made directly from the digital copies (i.e. > original source AIFF > or WAV files) then it'd be essentially a perfect > bit-for-bit copy of > the original file before the vinyl was pressed (and > certainly much > better than a mp3 copy). > > > Also, I'm encoding everything at 192kbps and I'm > fine with that as long > > as I have backups (i.e. originals); I'll probably > reencode the 320kbps > > files down to 192kbps for my MP3 discman... > > The only problem with going mp3 (or AAC/Ogg) over > FLAC/Shorten/APE/Apple Lossless is that what about > the future? What if > you want to make CD burns of the audio? What if you > want to listen > with high quality Sennheiser (or whatever) > headphones? I don't like > the idea of encoding my 2000+ CD collection in a > lossy format because > of the future. > > What I mean is... if you lock yourself in to a > format like mp3, and > later this new whizbang codec comes out that only > takes up 1 megabyte > for an entire CD and is a perfect lossless copy of > the original CD... > then what will you do? If you go your route you'll > have to "transcode" > from a lossy format to this new format. > > Generally transcoding brings artifacts and other > unwarranted > distortion/loss of audio fidelity. If you chose a > lossless format you > get all the benefits of the original CD recording > (i.e. absolutely no > loss of sound due to compression) with the added > benefit of smaller > size AND the ability to uncompress back to the > original WAV/AIFF source > material in case you want to go to a new codec in > the future. > Obviously the compression ratio isn't as good as > with mp3/aac/ogg, but > it's roughly half the size of the source > AIFF/WAV/CD, which I can live > with. > > Granted you (personally) still have the originals to > extract from in > the future, but it's infinitely easier to extract it > in mass (say, with > a batch process) from the lossless copies than it is > to RE-rip your > entire collection and re-encode. > > All in all, I'm very hesitant to use a lossy codec > like mp3/AAC or Ogg > Vorbis due to all the factors I mentioned. And for > the sake of > uniformity and audio fidelity, I expect that the > music I buy also be > lossless. > > Great idea, but more could be done. But kudos and > props for the > effort. It's not unappreciated. :) > > -- > > Mr. Tangent [the binary police] > www.mrtangent.com > > >

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You are quite right thinking to the future. I'm finding myself in this very predicament right now: we've installed a new CD / CDR / MP3 player in the car (had a TAPE DECK up to now :-))) Some while ago I switched to the .ogg format for compression, in preference to MP3's. Now that I want to make compilations for the car... I have to re-encode everything to MP3. Mostly I can do this directly from the original at 192 VBR, which is fine, but in some cases I have to decompress the OGG file to a .wav and then recompress to MP3. Talk about lossy... I * John/Slackonomics <slack@slackonomics.com> wrote:

quoted 10 lines The only problem with going mp3 (or AAC/Ogg) over

> > The only problem with going mp3 (or AAC/Ogg) over > > FLAC/Shorten/APE/Apple Lossless is that what about > > the future? What if > > you want to make CD burns of the audio? What if you > > want to listen > > with high quality Sennheiser (or whatever) > > headphones? I don't like > > the idea of encoding my 2000+ CD collection in a > > lossy format because > > of the future.

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Same problem with my car stereo - have to re-encode everything made by a friend of mine, who says that mp3 sucks ;)

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>-----Original Message----- >From: Irene McC [mailto:substar@iafrica.com] >Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 1:35 PM >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] seen this? > >You are quite right thinking to the future. I'm finding myself in this >very >predicament right now: we've installed a new CD / CDR / MP3 player in >the car (had a TAPE DECK up to now :-))) > >Some while ago I switched to the .ogg format for compression, in >preference to MP3's. Now that I want to make compilations for the

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quoted 1 line I have to re-encode everything to MP3. Mostly I can do this directly

>I have to re-encode everything to MP3. Mostly I can do this directly

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quoted 25 lines the original at 192 VBR, which is fine, but in some cases I have to

>the original at 192 VBR, which is fine, but in some cases I have to >decompress the OGG file to a .wav and then recompress to MP3. Talk >about lossy... > >I >* > >John/Slackonomics <slack@slackonomics.com> wrote: > >> > The only problem with going mp3 (or AAC/Ogg) over >> > FLAC/Shorten/APE/Apple Lossless is that what about >> > the future? What if >> > you want to make CD burns of the audio? What if you >> > want to listen >> > with high quality Sennheiser (or whatever) >> > headphones? I don't like >> > the idea of encoding my 2000+ CD collection in a >> > lossy format because >> > of the future. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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theREALmxyzptlk wrote:

quoted 8 lines Kurt Bernhard Pruenner wrote:

> Kurt Bernhard Pruenner wrote: > > I'll still buy CDs, but for stuff not on CD it's perfect - same > > as Bleep (and the stuff from Studio !K7 that's also sold in MP3 > > form)... > > Where is the !k7 mp3 sale site? > And thus far, the Kompakt site smokes the others on encoding - not > that I'm all that experienced in mp3 sites...

http://www.k7.com/data.pl?ls Just browse to a release, and check if it's also available in format "MP3 Download" (of course the "(in stock)" after it is a bit superfluous... ;) - you get 256kbps MP3 files and a hi-res scan of the cover in PDF format. -- Kurt Bernhard Pruenner --- Haendelstrasse 17 --- 4020 Linz --- Austria .......It might be written "Mindfuck", but it's spelt "L-A-I-N"....... np: Markus Guentner - Chrom (Regensburg Remixe) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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