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2001-03-13 05:11Jesse Farmer [idm] starting record labels
├─ 2001-03-13 05:32EggyToast Re: [idm] starting record labels
├─ 2001-03-13 15:56Gee Why Re: [idm] starting record labels
│ └─ 2001-03-13 16:32matt loathing Re: [idm] starting record labels
├─ 2001-03-13 17:31atomly Re: [idm] starting record labels
└─ 2001-03-14 05:09Melinda Taylor Re: [idm] starting record labels
2001-03-13 17:59philippe petit [idm] starting record labels
2001-03-13 18:07philippe petit [idm] starting record labels
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2001-03-13 05:11Jesse FarmerHi. Something I've been considering for a while is starting a record label. Yes, yes, I kn
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Hi. Something I've been considering for a while is starting a record label. Yes, yes, I know.. the last thing we need is another label.. Anyway, I've been reading what I can about this aspect of the music industry, and as much as I can about the dance field in particular. However, there is still a lack of information about this. I was wondering if anyone on this list has started a label, and if you wouldn't mind sharing with me a bit about your experiences. I'm wondering what sales strategies are the most effective, distributing yourself, or through a distributor, vinyl vs. cd's in terms of sales, initial catalogue size, etc... Or if someone has a nice idea ("I'd like to see a label that did . . . . .") , that would be great too. Sorry to waste precious time and bandwidth, but any and all comments (+ or -) are welcome. Thanks, I really do appreciate. -Jesse (reply in private to keep off list; in consideration of others) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-13 05:32EggyToastI'd like to see a record label with more attractive artists. All the "idm artists" i've se
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I'd like to see a record label with more attractive artists. All the "idm artists" i've seen lately, barring the lookers on Warp, have been pretty ugly-looking. If you can get some hotties from both sexes, I'd buy your complete catalog. I know greg davis started autumn records through self-motivation. He's on the list, too. Don't know about the quality of his artists, though, since I haven't seen any pictures. cheers, /derek At 12:11 AM 3/13/2001 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 30 lines Hi.>Hi. > >Something I've been considering for a while is starting a record >label. Yes, yes, I know.. the last thing we need is another >label.. Anyway, I've been reading what I can about this aspect of the >music industry, and as much as I can about the dance field in >particular. However, there is still a lack of information about this. > >I was wondering if anyone on this list has started a label, and if you >wouldn't mind sharing with me a bit about your experiences. I'm wondering >what sales strategies are the most effective, distributing yourself, or >through a distributor, vinyl vs. cd's in terms of sales, initial catalogue >size, etc... > >Or if someone has a nice idea ("I'd like to see a label that did . . . . >.") , that would be great too. > >Sorry to waste precious time and bandwidth, but any and all comments (+ or >-) are welcome. >Thanks, I really do appreciate. > >-Jesse >(reply in private to keep off list; in consideration of others) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-03-13 15:56Gee WhyWow, I'm glad someone asked this question, I've been meaning to for a while as well :) Tho
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Wow, I'm glad someone asked this question, I've been meaning to for a while as well :) Tho' I have a different take on this. Who or rather what kind of people start record labels? It can't all be by the artists who want to get their music out, cuz they spend all their money on gear (hehe, well I'm sure they make up a percentage). But record label owners must have some confidence in their musical taste that people will buy their productions. The other question, is how do new labels find artists? I can't imagine from online. I've scoured many mp3.com pages, and artists sites, and the majority of the music isn't anything I would want to put out. Is everything from personal connections? etc... I'd love it if some label owners posted up 'their story'... -Gil On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Jesse Farmer wrote:
quoted 29 lines Hi.> Hi. > > Something I've been considering for a while is starting a record > label. Yes, yes, I know.. the last thing we need is another > label.. Anyway, I've been reading what I can about this aspect of the > music industry, and as much as I can about the dance field in > particular. However, there is still a lack of information about this. > > I was wondering if anyone on this list has started a label, and if you > wouldn't mind sharing with me a bit about your experiences. I'm wondering > what sales strategies are the most effective, distributing yourself, or > through a distributor, vinyl vs. cd's in terms of sales, initial catalogue > size, etc... > > Or if someone has a nice idea ("I'd like to see a label that did . . . . > .") , that would be great too. > > Sorry to waste precious time and bandwidth, but any and all comments (+ or > -) are welcome. > Thanks, I really do appreciate. > > -Jesse > (reply in private to keep off list; in consideration of others) > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-03-13 16:32matt loathingI would prefer it if you all replied on the list or to me as well...I am very curious abou
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I would prefer it if you all replied on the list or to me as well...I am very curious about what anyone has to say about this!!! Matt Loathing ServUs Industry --- Gee Why <gyaker@fragment.com> wrote:
quoted 71 lines Wow, I'm glad someone asked this question, I've been> Wow, I'm glad someone asked this question, I've been > meaning to for a > while as well :) > > Tho' I have a different take on this. Who or rather > what kind of people > start record labels? It can't all be by the artists > who want to get their > music out, cuz they spend all their money on gear > (hehe, well I'm sure > they make up a percentage). But record label owners > must have some > confidence in their musical taste that people will > buy their productions. > > The other question, is how do new labels find > artists? I can't imagine > from online. I've scoured many mp3.com pages, and > artists sites, and the > majority of the music isn't anything I would want to > put out. Is > everything from personal connections? > > etc... I'd love it if some label owners posted up > 'their story'... > > -Gil > > > > On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Jesse Farmer wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > Something I've been considering for a while is > starting a record > > label. Yes, yes, I know.. the last thing we need > is another > > label.. Anyway, I've been reading what I can > about this aspect of the > > music industry, and as much as I can about the > dance field in > > particular. However, there is still a lack of > information about this. > > > > I was wondering if anyone on this list has started > a label, and if you > > wouldn't mind sharing with me a bit about your > experiences. I'm wondering > > what sales strategies are the most effective, > distributing yourself, or > > through a distributor, vinyl vs. cd's in terms of > sales, initial catalogue > > size, etc... > > > > Or if someone has a nice idea ("I'd like to see a > label that did . . . . > > .") , that would be great too. > > > > Sorry to waste precious time and bandwidth, but > any and all comments (+ or > > -) are welcome. > > Thanks, I really do appreciate. > > > > -Jesse > > (reply in private to keep off list; in > consideration of others) > > > > > > >
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2001-03-13 17:31atomlyOn Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 12:11:26AM -0500, Jesse Farmer wrote: > Something I've been consid
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On Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 12:11:26AM -0500, Jesse Farmer wrote:
quoted 5 lines Something I've been considering for a while is starting a record> Something I've been considering for a while is starting a record > label. Yes, yes, I know.. the last thing we need is another > label.. Anyway, I've been reading what I can about this aspect of the > music industry, and as much as I can about the dance field in > particular. However, there is still a lack of information about this.
http://music.hyperreal.org/business/ That's a priceless resource written by Chris Sattinger (AKA Timeblind/Keek)
quoted 5 lines I was wondering if anyone on this list has started a label, and if you> I was wondering if anyone on this list has started a label, and if you > wouldn't mind sharing with me a bit about your experiences. I'm wondering > what sales strategies are the most effective, distributing yourself, or > through a distributor, vinyl vs. cd's in terms of sales, initial catalogue > size, etc...
So far it's been a pretty good experience- it's great being able to release music that you enjoy and you feel that other people should hear. Sure, it gets annoying at times when a distributor doesn't pay or when somebody writes a harsh review of your record, but it's definitely worth it; nothing is more rewarding than getting back your first test pressings and hearing something on vinyl that you made. As far as distribution, it's good to distribute yourself (mailorder works especially well with IDM) but you're just not going to move the amount of vinyl that you need if you're going to self-distribute unless you're willing to call a whole lot of stores. It's really not cost-effective to press anything less than 300 records, so it would take a lot to get that with mailorders off internet advertising unless you're releasing an Aphex remix of Autechre or something. It is important, though, even if you have a distributor, to talk to stores yourself and try to get your records spread to stores with whom your distributors don't deal. My first record got distributed in Europe but mostly only in the hardcore/breakcore shops. When I went over to London, I was able to get rid of all 50 records (35 of mine and 15 of Eupholus #1 (http://www.eupholus.net/)) by just selling them to the guys at the record shops that I was shopping at (Smallfish, Rough Trade, Ambient Soho, etc) anyway. As far as finding musicians (somebody else mentioned this), it probably works best to either release your own record or a record of a friend whose music you really like first just to spread the label's name. Once you have a label, you'll start meeting people and getting lots of demos from people, which will direct you to a decent amount of good music. I think it's really important to stress that you should not start a label unless you're absolutely positive that you have the time to put into it, because it can get quite tedious (particularly when dealing with distributors). A friend of mine who works at Dust Traxx summed it up this weekend as "don't expect a distributor to pay you unless you release about 8 albums that all sell over 1500 copies." This of course isn't true for small distributors, but it is for any of the major ones like Syntax or Watts. It's also important to know what you want to release before you start and to base your decisions around this. If you're going to release normal IDM stuff (crunchy hip hop beats with soothing melodies) then it's fine to release CDs, but if you're into harder or more experimental stuff, then you're not going to be able to really move any CDs since everybody in that scene wants vinyl. Anyway, I hope that's enough info for now- if you have any more questions, ask away. -- :: atomly :: atomly@atomly.com | atomly@atdot.org | atomly@curiousnetworks.com http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-14 05:09Melinda TaylorHello, Myself and two friends setup an independent electronic record label called Couchbli
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Hello, Myself and two friends setup an independent electronic record label called Couchblip! in Sydney, Australia last year. http://www,couchblip.com We were all working from our studio's, all with similar musical idea's, but not releasing any music. We thought that rather than sending demo's to overseas labels that released in a similar sonic vein we should start a label here in OZ, and fill the gap that we perceived in Australian Electronic music. We had a head start though as last year we went to the 'National Independent Electronic labels Conference' which told us basically all that we needed to know about setting up and running your own record label. Its all really quite simple....we started with the domain name and set up the site with a few Mp3's. We then started work on the first release. Since we are a small label, it our first release and there is only one vinyl pressing plant left in Australia we decided it would be CD only. But as things expand we hope to do some vinyl releases which aren't all that much more expensive. Our debut release (which you can now order directly from our website) is a compilation of work from the three of us running the label. We did all the artwork for the CD ourselves did a run of 500 CD's. This only cost us $500 AUS each (there are 3 of us) to get done as we did everything bar the artwork films, mastering, and CD pressing ouselves.... so I imagine its even cheaper in places like the US and UK. Mastering was done privately and not in a production house who asks about $800 upwards to master a full length CD. If you find someone in your local area who does it freelance and is happy to help out an independant label, mastering works out at a 1/4 of the price that a studio will charge. For promotion we emailed copies of the CD to local magazines and newspapers for reviews, and approached our local community radio station 2ser and they made it feature CD for one week. We also handed out flyers at all about the Cd and our launch night at all other local gigs of a similar nature. As the CD's are so cheap to get pressed we really only have to sell 100 to recoup our inital financial outlay. Which means we can use as many we like for promo's being a new label this is essential until you have a recognized name. The launch night went spectacularly and response to the Cd has been phenomenal so we must be doing something right :) Sorry if what I've said is pretty obvious its just that it is so easy to do (alot of hard work mind you but if you enjoy doing it....s'ok) and I'd encourage anyone to do it. Especially in smaller isolated places like Australia where there is not nearly enough local underground electronic music out there..... We plan to maintain an active release schedule throughout the year. Mid 2001 will see the release of Disjunction Reunion's full length album 'Computer Dead Reckoning'. Late 2001 will see another compilation which will be a benefit C D for which we will be accepting submissions. There are also plans for a full length CD from Bloq and an EP from myself. If anyone would like more info on the label or would like to submit some work they can email couchblip@couchblip.com for more information. Thanks :) Melinda aka Robokoneko =^.^= On Tue, 13 Mar 2 001, Jesse Farmer wrote: ==>Hi. ==> ==>Something I've been considering for a while is starting a record ==>label. Yes, yes, I know.. the last thing we need is another ==>label.. Anyway, I've been reading what I can about this aspect of the ==>music industry, and as much as I can about the dance field in ==>particular. However, there is still a lack of information about this. ==> ==>I was wondering if anyone on this list has started a label, and if you ==>wouldn't mind sharing with me a bit about your experiences. I'm wondering ==>what sales strategies are the most effective, distributing yourself, or ==>through a distributor, vinyl vs. cd's in terms of sales, initial catalogue ==>size, etc... ==> ==>Or if someone has a nice idea ("I'd like to see a label that did . . . . ==>.") , that would be great too. ==> ==>Sorry to waste precious time and bandwidth, but any and all comments (+ or ==>-) are welcome. ==>Thanks, I really do appreciate. ==> ==>-Jesse ==>(reply in private to keep off list; in consideration of others) ==> ==> ==>--------------------------------------------------------------------- ==>To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org ==>For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org ==> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-03-13 17:59philippe petitI was wondering if anyone on this list has started a label, and if you wouldn't mind shari
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I was wondering if anyone on this list has started a label, and if you wouldn't mind sharing with me a bit about your experiences. gee this a vast subject and a place to receive valuable infos is to ask there indielabels-owner@onelist.com philippe ************************************************************** http://www.bip-hop.com unconventional sound adventures, adventurous & creative electronica... ************************************************************** TENNIS : europe on horseback [bleep 03] out in April TENNIS is Benge and Si-{cut}.db. An on-going London based collaboration exploring digital and electro-acoustic sounds and rhythms combined with 21st century audio software. "Europe on Horseback", and shows a progression of the "Tennis sound" into a harder more digital/glitchy but accesible rhythmic realm, with dub and german influences to the fore. BiP-HOp Generation v. 2 [bleep 02] out in March 20 exclusive tracks, 70+ mns of music and comes in a 6 page Digipack including a booklet w/ infos on each musician AROVANE / BERNARD FLEISCHMANN / WARMDESK / KÖHN / WANG INC. / LAURENT PERNICE BiP-HOp Generation v.1 [bleep 01] v. 1 offers 74 mns of music and comes in a 6 page Digipack including a booklet w/ infos on each musician : MARUMARI / SCHNEIDER TM / PHONEM / GOEM / ULTRA MILKMAIDS / MASSIMO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2001-03-13 18:07philippe petitetc... I'd love it if some label owners posted up 'their story'... -Gil -- if you wanna re
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etc... I'd love it if some label owners posted up 'their story'... -Gil -- if you wanna read my story, check AnbienTrance new issue. http://www.spiderbytes.com/ambientrance/0201.htm there is also an interview with Taylor Deupree/owner of 12K in an older issue It is a good fanzine and those who do not give a damn about the subject might enjoy some other articles... philippe http://www.bip-hop.com unconventional sound adventures, adventurous & creative electronica... <---------------------------------------------------------------------> a parallel music for perpendicular feelings http://www.pandemoniumrecords.com
2001-03-13 18:24Spencer LytleI started a small label for alot of reasons. The number one reason though was because ther
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I started a small label for alot of reasons. The number one reason though was because there were a ton of great artists who were going unheard on the net. People like Cell and aem. I contacted these artists and released a comp CD with some of them on it. I am now planning on 3 releases within the next 3 months from a few of these artists. Alot of demos came out of nowhere when I mentioned the label. I have done ok so far with about 0% advertising. Strictly word of mouth. I have plans to do vinyl releases as well. It is alot of work to run a label so small, it is expensive and the returns are very small if at all. I guess if I was releasing known names it may be better but for now I am happy and the artists I am working with seem to be happy with it. I have no plans to be as big as some of the other labels out there but I would love to quit my day job to do it. =] Contacting distributors is kind of weird. Alot of them never respond. Then if they do you have to send a demo. If they like it, they will ask for copies to sell. If they dont its the same as sending a demo to a label and getting rejected. On the labels first release I got some good and some not so good reviews. The good ones are great and the bad ones you have to take with a grain of salt but dont let it get to you. Youre not going to please everyone. I know this isnt alot of specific information but it is coming from my_very_new_to_the_ business point of view. I am learning as I go. Its alot of fun and I am happy that I am doing it. It is worth it to try if you have the time and resources. If anyone wants more specifics and I can give them I would be more than happy to try and help. Spencer antechamber recordings http://www.achamber.com
quoted 65 lines From: Gee Why <gyaker@fragment.com>>From: Gee Why <gyaker@fragment.com> >To: IDM list <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] starting record labels >Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 10:56:07 -0500 (EST) > >Wow, I'm glad someone asked this question, I've been meaning to for a >while as well :) > >Tho' I have a different take on this. Who or rather what kind of people >start record labels? It can't all be by the artists who want to get their >music out, cuz they spend all their money on gear (hehe, well I'm sure >they make up a percentage). But record label owners must have some >confidence in their musical taste that people will buy their productions. > >The other question, is how do new labels find artists? I can't imagine >from online. I've scoured many mp3.com pages, and artists sites, and the >majority of the music isn't anything I would want to put out. Is >everything from personal connections? > >etc... I'd love it if some label owners posted up 'their story'... > >-Gil > > > >On Tue, 13 Mar 2001, Jesse Farmer wrote: > > > Hi. > > > > Something I've been considering for a while is starting a record > > label. Yes, yes, I know.. the last thing we need is another > > label.. Anyway, I've been reading what I can about this aspect of the > > music industry, and as much as I can about the dance field in > > particular. However, there is still a lack of information about this. > > > > I was wondering if anyone on this list has started a label, and if you > > wouldn't mind sharing with me a bit about your experiences. I'm >wondering > > what sales strategies are the most effective, distributing yourself, or > > through a distributor, vinyl vs. cd's in terms of sales, initial >catalogue > > size, etc... > > > > Or if someone has a nice idea ("I'd like to see a label that did . . . . > > .") , that would be great too. > > > > Sorry to waste precious time and bandwidth, but any and all comments (+ >or > > -) are welcome. > > Thanks, I really do appreciate. > > > > -Jesse > > (reply in private to keep off list; in consideration of others) > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-03-13 22:19henrik str.mberg>Anyway, I've been reading what I can about this aspect of the >music industry, and as muc
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quoted 3 lines Anyway, I've been reading what I can about this aspect of the>Anyway, I've been reading what I can about this aspect of the >music industry, and as much as I can about the dance field in >particular. However, there is still a lack of information about this.
well funnily enough, fatcat announces on their latest comp, "no watches no maps" that they've collected that kind of info for the benefit of such as yourself, and it should be available on their website: http://www.fat-cat.co.uk (along with a bunch of mp3s of demos they've received) hs _____________________ sense is never common --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org