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2001-01-30 20:04erik pearson Re: [idm] FW: IMPORTANT dublab NEWS
└─ 2001-01-31 07:32nethed [idm] dublab NEWS
├─ 2001-01-31 18:07Lee Azzarello Re: [idm] dublab NEWS
└─ 2001-01-31 19:45interdit Re: [idm] dublab NEWS
2001-01-31 18:27David Gee Re: [idm] dublab NEWS
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2001-01-30 20:04erik pearsonDamn... I love Dublab and Hoseh's Version Sounds. Hey Brock, how much money does it take t
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Damn... I love Dublab and Hoseh's Version Sounds. Hey Brock, how much money does it take to support a live stream like Dublab's?... *not that I could afford it, just curious I guess* :) erik
quoted 108 lines From: Brock Phillips <bphil_123@yahoo.com>>From: Brock Phillips <bphil_123@yahoo.com> >To: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: [idm] FW: IMPORTANT dublab NEWS >Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:02:07 -0800 (PST) > >fyi - from http://www.dublab.com, one of my favorite >destinations on the web and former home to my sunday >night mix show :( > >cross your digits that they're not gone for good, and >if you know of any billionaire venture capitalists >with impeccable music taste let us know. > >(you'd be well advised to check the site if you don't >know it already, over 250 archived sets from pole, >mouse on mars, phoenecia, mixmaster morris, amon >tobin, divine styler, cut chemist, blackalicious, >swayzak, klute, photek and more...) > > >---------- >From: Derek McNeill <derelict@dublab.com> >To: Reply-to: derelict@dublab.com >Subject: IMPORTANT dublab NEWS >Date: Mon, Jan 29, 2001, 9:11 PM > > >Hi dubhead, > >dublab Phase 1 has ended. > >Over two years ago an idea brewed in the collective >clouds of our minds. We joined together and built a >concept based on the positive music that guides our >lives. The mission was to spread these sounds across >the world and enrich lives. > >We all took a leap, quit our jobs, and turned our >dreams into reality. The early months were spent >assembling a superior crew of djs, researching >technology, formulating our objectives, and hammering >nails into wood to build a studio. (the next few >weeks were spent staring with wide-eyed amazement as >the studio actually stood) > >For the past year and a half we have taken immense >pleasure in bringing you the best music in the world. >All the labrats have poured their hearts and souls >into creating a unique and beautiful experience. > >Unfortunately, the economy has not mirrored our >tremendous growth. We blossomed and spread creative >energy while investor pocketbooks snapped tight like >Venus flytraps. We looked high and low for people >that could grasp the amazing force and value that is >dublab. We learned that pioneers often go hungry. > >**This Wednesday at 6pm pst we will be temporarily >turning off the dublab live stream.** > >This is not the end of dublab! It is our hope to >secure investment and relaunch the live stream even >better than before. > >Please continue to visit the page, listen to the >archives, communicate with fellow dubheads in the chat >room, use the links, read the reviews, and enjoy all >the other content we have created. Also keep your >eyes peeled for the first dublab "Field Reports" >compilation to be released on Emperor Norton Records >in May!!! > >Thank you for your amazing support, encouragement, and >inspiration. Please continue to spread the word and >keep us in your thoughts! > >If you would like to touch base please use the >feedback feature on dublab or info@dublab.com > >Peace, > >the Labrats aka the optimistic unstoppable dreamers > >-Derek McNeill >http://www.dublab.com >___________________________________________________________________________ >Visit http://www.visto.com/info, your free web-based >communications center. >Visto.com. Life on the Dot. > > >===== >Brock Phillips >Motormouthmedia >2525 Hyperion Ave. #1 >Los Angeles, CA 90027 >fon 323.662.3865 >fax 323.662.3844 >email bmotor@pacbell.net > >__________________________________________________ >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 >a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-01-31 07:32nethedbandwidth is dependant upon how many people are logging on to hear the streams - it's all
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bandwidth is dependant upon how many people are logging on to hear the streams - it's all down to servers capacity & stuff we thinks. the best thing about dublab is that it managed to remain banner-free (no clicks=nocash) we would hate to see them go to a dreaded 'pay per listen' or 'subscription model' but if everyone on this list sent them a tenner... dublab is going to be needed more than ever in the next 4 years.... surely among all the webdesigners on this list there are a few closet V.C.'s... At 8:04 pm +0000 30/1/01, erik pearson wrote:
quoted 95 lines Damn... I love Dublab and Hoseh's Version Sounds.>Damn... I love Dublab and Hoseh's Version Sounds. > >Hey Brock, how much money does it take to support a live >stream like Dublab's?... *not that I could afford it, just >curious I guess* :) > >erik > > >>From: Brock Phillips <bphil_123@yahoo.com> >>To: idm@hyperreal.org >>Subject: [idm] FW: IMPORTANT dublab NEWS >>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:02:07 -0800 (PST) >> >>fyi - from http://www.dublab.com, one of my favorite >>destinations on the web and former home to my sunday >>night mix show :( >> >>cross your digits that they're not gone for good, and >>if you know of any billionaire venture capitalists >>with impeccable music taste let us know. >> >>(you'd be well advised to check the site if you don't >>know it already, over 250 archived sets from pole, >>mouse on mars, phoenecia, mixmaster morris, amon >>tobin, divine styler, cut chemist, blackalicious, >>swayzak, klute, photek and more...) >> >> >>---------- >>From: Derek McNeill <derelict@dublab.com> >>To: Reply-to: derelict@dublab.com >>Subject: IMPORTANT dublab NEWS >>Date: Mon, Jan 29, 2001, 9:11 PM >> >> >>Hi dubhead, >> >>dublab Phase 1 has ended. >> >>Over two years ago an idea brewed in the collective >>clouds of our minds. We joined together and built a >>concept based on the positive music that guides our >>lives. The mission was to spread these sounds across >>the world and enrich lives. >> >>We all took a leap, quit our jobs, and turned our >>dreams into reality. The early months were spent >>assembling a superior crew of djs, researching >>technology, formulating our objectives, and hammering >>nails into wood to build a studio. (the next few >>weeks were spent staring with wide-eyed amazement as >>the studio actually stood) >> >>For the past year and a half we have taken immense >>pleasure in bringing you the best music in the world. >>All the labrats have poured their hearts and souls >>into creating a unique and beautiful experience. >> >>Unfortunately, the economy has not mirrored our >>tremendous growth. We blossomed and spread creative >>energy while investor pocketbooks snapped tight like >>Venus flytraps. We looked high and low for people >>that could grasp the amazing force and value that is >>dublab. We learned that pioneers often go hungry. >> >>**This Wednesday at 6pm pst we will be temporarily >>turning off the dublab live stream.** >> >>This is not the end of dublab! It is our hope to >>secure investment and relaunch the live stream even >>better than before. >> >>Please continue to visit the page, listen to the >>archives, communicate with fellow dubheads in the chat >>room, use the links, read the reviews, and enjoy all >>the other content we have created. Also keep your >>eyes peeled for the first dublab "Field Reports" >>compilation to be released on Emperor Norton Records >>in May!!! >> >>Thank you for your amazing support, encouragement, and >>inspiration. Please continue to spread the word and >>keep us in your thoughts! >> >>If you would like to touch base please use the >>feedback feature on dublab or info@dublab.com >> >>Peace, >> >>the Labrats aka the optimistic unstoppable dreamers >> >>-Derek McNeill >>http://www.dublab.com >>___________________________________________________________________________
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2001-01-31 18:07Lee AzzarelloI think VCs are pretty rare these days. Or if not rare, ready to invest in things that hav
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I think VCs are pretty rare these days. Or if not rare, ready to invest in things that have nothing to do with e-commerce or dot-anything (although .tv seems on the up and up). How much money was lost investing in that company that sells women's underware online? Anyway, I don't think Dublab's exceptional archives would really mean anything to a rich man with a tight wallet. But there still is a small chance. There are two mailing lists in LA that are dedicated to web development and networking. One is called Web-405 and the other is called Goodtimes. There might be a well-listened VC that's all about Blectum from Blechdom and Divine Styler. -l on 1/30/01 11:32 PM, nethed at nethed@ninjatune.net wrote:
quoted 118 lines bandwidth is dependant upon how many people> bandwidth is dependant upon how many people > are logging on to hear the streams - it's all > down to servers capacity & stuff we thinks. > the best thing about dublab is that it managed > to remain banner-free (no clicks=nocash) > we would hate to see them go to a dreaded 'pay > per listen' or 'subscription model' but if > everyone on this list sent them a tenner... > > dublab is going to be needed more than ever > in the next 4 years.... > > surely among all the webdesigners on this list > there are a few closet V.C.'s... > > > At 8:04 pm +0000 30/1/01, erik pearson wrote: >> Damn... I love Dublab and Hoseh's Version Sounds. >> >> Hey Brock, how much money does it take to support a live >> stream like Dublab's?... *not that I could afford it, just >> curious I guess* :) >> >> erik >> >> >>> From: Brock Phillips <bphil_123@yahoo.com> >>> To: idm@hyperreal.org >>> Subject: [idm] FW: IMPORTANT dublab NEWS >>> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:02:07 -0800 (PST) >>> >>> fyi - from http://www.dublab.com, one of my favorite >>> destinations on the web and former home to my sunday >>> night mix show :( >>> >>> cross your digits that they're not gone for good, and >>> if you know of any billionaire venture capitalists >>> with impeccable music taste let us know. >>> >>> (you'd be well advised to check the site if you don't >>> know it already, over 250 archived sets from pole, >>> mouse on mars, phoenecia, mixmaster morris, amon >>> tobin, divine styler, cut chemist, blackalicious, >>> swayzak, klute, photek and more...) >>> >>> >>> ---------- >>> From: Derek McNeill <derelict@dublab.com> >>> To: Reply-to: derelict@dublab.com >>> Subject: IMPORTANT dublab NEWS >>> Date: Mon, Jan 29, 2001, 9:11 PM >>> >>> >>> Hi dubhead, >>> >>> dublab Phase 1 has ended. >>> >>> Over two years ago an idea brewed in the collective >>> clouds of our minds. We joined together and built a >>> concept based on the positive music that guides our >>> lives. The mission was to spread these sounds across >>> the world and enrich lives. >>> >>> We all took a leap, quit our jobs, and turned our >>> dreams into reality. The early months were spent >>> assembling a superior crew of djs, researching >>> technology, formulating our objectives, and hammering >>> nails into wood to build a studio. (the next few >>> weeks were spent staring with wide-eyed amazement as >>> the studio actually stood) >>> >>> For the past year and a half we have taken immense >>> pleasure in bringing you the best music in the world. >>> All the labrats have poured their hearts and souls >>> into creating a unique and beautiful experience. >>> >>> Unfortunately, the economy has not mirrored our >>> tremendous growth. We blossomed and spread creative >>> energy while investor pocketbooks snapped tight like >>> Venus flytraps. We looked high and low for people >>> that could grasp the amazing force and value that is >>> dublab. We learned that pioneers often go hungry. >>> >>> **This Wednesday at 6pm pst we will be temporarily >>> turning off the dublab live stream.** >>> >>> This is not the end of dublab! It is our hope to >>> secure investment and relaunch the live stream even >>> better than before. >>> >>> Please continue to visit the page, listen to the >>> archives, communicate with fellow dubheads in the chat >>> room, use the links, read the reviews, and enjoy all >>> the other content we have created. Also keep your >>> eyes peeled for the first dublab "Field Reports" >>> compilation to be released on Emperor Norton Records >>> in May!!! >>> >>> Thank you for your amazing support, encouragement, and >>> inspiration. Please continue to spread the word and >>> keep us in your thoughts! >>> >>> If you would like to touch base please use the >>> feedback feature on dublab or info@dublab.com >>> >>> Peace, >>> >>> the Labrats aka the optimistic unstoppable dreamers >>> >>> -Derek McNeill >>> http://www.dublab.com >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-01-31 19:45interditI think they could stream (using realaudio as they currently do) about 60 (maybe more) sim
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I think they could stream (using realaudio as they currently do) about 60 (maybe more) simulataneous listeners off a dedicated T1 for about $600-$800/month in a co-lo facility if you admin your own box. But you really need two machines, one to run the website, one to run the real server and hold the archived sets. But the kicker is having enough bandwidth to go from the studio to the server to do the live part, I assume the studio serves another money-making business purpose? So probably has some kind of DSL type connection, if not then the rent on the studio and connection to the server is another cost.... -i --- nethed <nethed@ninjatune.net> wrote:
quoted 118 lines bandwidth is dependant upon how many people> bandwidth is dependant upon how many people > are logging on to hear the streams - it's all > down to servers capacity & stuff we thinks. > the best thing about dublab is that it managed > to remain banner-free (no clicks=nocash) > we would hate to see them go to a dreaded 'pay > per listen' or 'subscription model' but if > everyone on this list sent them a tenner... > > dublab is going to be needed more than ever > in the next 4 years.... > > surely among all the webdesigners on this list > there are a few closet V.C.'s... > > > At 8:04 pm +0000 30/1/01, erik pearson wrote: > >Damn... I love Dublab and Hoseh's Version Sounds. > > > >Hey Brock, how much money does it take to support a live > >stream like Dublab's?... *not that I could afford it, just > >curious I guess* :) > > > >erik > > > > > >>From: Brock Phillips <bphil_123@yahoo.com> > >>To: idm@hyperreal.org > >>Subject: [idm] FW: IMPORTANT dublab NEWS > >>Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:02:07 -0800 (PST) > >> > >>fyi - from http://www.dublab.com, one of my favorite > >>destinations on the web and former home to my sunday > >>night mix show :( > >> > >>cross your digits that they're not gone for good, and > >>if you know of any billionaire venture capitalists > >>with impeccable music taste let us know. > >> > >>(you'd be well advised to check the site if you don't > >>know it already, over 250 archived sets from pole, > >>mouse on mars, phoenecia, mixmaster morris, amon > >>tobin, divine styler, cut chemist, blackalicious, > >>swayzak, klute, photek and more...) > >> > >> > >>---------- > >>From: Derek McNeill <derelict@dublab.com> > >>To: Reply-to: derelict@dublab.com > >>Subject: IMPORTANT dublab NEWS > >>Date: Mon, Jan 29, 2001, 9:11 PM > >> > >> > >>Hi dubhead, > >> > >>dublab Phase 1 has ended. > >> > >>Over two years ago an idea brewed in the collective > >>clouds of our minds. We joined together and built a > >>concept based on the positive music that guides our > >>lives. The mission was to spread these sounds across > >>the world and enrich lives. > >> > >>We all took a leap, quit our jobs, and turned our > >>dreams into reality. The early months were spent > >>assembling a superior crew of djs, researching > >>technology, formulating our objectives, and hammering > >>nails into wood to build a studio. (the next few > >>weeks were spent staring with wide-eyed amazement as > >>the studio actually stood) > >> > >>For the past year and a half we have taken immense > >>pleasure in bringing you the best music in the world. > >>All the labrats have poured their hearts and souls > >>into creating a unique and beautiful experience. > >> > >>Unfortunately, the economy has not mirrored our > >>tremendous growth. We blossomed and spread creative > >>energy while investor pocketbooks snapped tight like > >>Venus flytraps. We looked high and low for people > >>that could grasp the amazing force and value that is > >>dublab. We learned that pioneers often go hungry. > >> > >>**This Wednesday at 6pm pst we will be temporarily > >>turning off the dublab live stream.** > >> > >>This is not the end of dublab! It is our hope to > >>secure investment and relaunch the live stream even > >>better than before. > >> > >>Please continue to visit the page, listen to the > >>archives, communicate with fellow dubheads in the chat > >>room, use the links, read the reviews, and enjoy all > >>the other content we have created. Also keep your > >>eyes peeled for the first dublab "Field Reports" > >>compilation to be released on Emperor Norton Records > >>in May!!! > >> > >>Thank you for your amazing support, encouragement, and > >>inspiration. Please continue to spread the word and > >>keep us in your thoughts! > >> > >>If you would like to touch base please use the > >>feedback feature on dublab or info@dublab.com > >> > >>Peace, > >> > >>the Labrats aka the optimistic unstoppable dreamers > >> > >>-Derek McNeill > >>http://www.dublab.com > >>___________________________________________________________________________ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2001-01-31 18:27David Geewhen k10k.net started running out of bandwidth, mediatemple( www.mediatemple.net ) bailed
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when k10k.net started running out of bandwidth, mediatemple( www.mediatemple.net ) bailed them out. it might be a good idea to contact them, they seem to be interested in sponsoring cool shit. with k10k, they did it in exchange for promotion - no banner ads or anything, just a link to the site and some info. they also offered a special deal to anybody who signed up for hosting services with them and mentioned k10k. anyway, it might help... david ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Azzarello" <roswell@alumni.antioch-college.edu> To: "IDM" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [idm] dublab NEWS
quoted 2 lines I think VCs are pretty rare these days. Or if not rare, ready to invest in> I think VCs are pretty rare these days. Or if not rare, ready to invest in > things that have nothing to do with e-commerce or dot-anything (although
.tv
quoted 4 lines seems on the up and up). How much money was lost investing in that company> seems on the up and up). How much money was lost investing in that company > that sells women's underware online? Anyway, I don't think Dublab's > exceptional archives would really mean anything to a rich man with a tight > wallet. But there still is a small chance. There are two mailing lists in
LA
quoted 1 line that are dedicated to web development and networking. One is called> that are dedicated to web development and networking. One is called
Web-405
quoted 1 line and the other is called Goodtimes. There might be a well-listened VC> and the other is called Goodtimes. There might be a well-listened VC
that's
quoted 119 lines all about Blectum from Blechdom and Divine Styler.> all about Blectum from Blechdom and Divine Styler. > > -l > > > on 1/30/01 11:32 PM, nethed at nethed@ninjatune.net wrote: > > > bandwidth is dependant upon how many people > > are logging on to hear the streams - it's all > > down to servers capacity & stuff we thinks. > > the best thing about dublab is that it managed > > to remain banner-free (no clicks=nocash) > > we would hate to see them go to a dreaded 'pay > > per listen' or 'subscription model' but if > > everyone on this list sent them a tenner... > > > > dublab is going to be needed more than ever > > in the next 4 years.... > > > > surely among all the webdesigners on this list > > there are a few closet V.C.'s... > > > > > > At 8:04 pm +0000 30/1/01, erik pearson wrote: > >> Damn... I love Dublab and Hoseh's Version Sounds. > >> > >> Hey Brock, how much money does it take to support a live > >> stream like Dublab's?... *not that I could afford it, just > >> curious I guess* :) > >> > >> erik > >> > >> > >>> From: Brock Phillips <bphil_123@yahoo.com> > >>> To: idm@hyperreal.org > >>> Subject: [idm] FW: IMPORTANT dublab NEWS > >>> Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 11:02:07 -0800 (PST) > >>> > >>> fyi - from http://www.dublab.com, one of my favorite > >>> destinations on the web and former home to my sunday > >>> night mix show :( > >>> > >>> cross your digits that they're not gone for good, and > >>> if you know of any billionaire venture capitalists > >>> with impeccable music taste let us know. > >>> > >>> (you'd be well advised to check the site if you don't > >>> know it already, over 250 archived sets from pole, > >>> mouse on mars, phoenecia, mixmaster morris, amon > >>> tobin, divine styler, cut chemist, blackalicious, > >>> swayzak, klute, photek and more...) > >>> > >>> > >>> ---------- > >>> From: Derek McNeill <derelict@dublab.com> > >>> To: Reply-to: derelict@dublab.com > >>> Subject: IMPORTANT dublab NEWS > >>> Date: Mon, Jan 29, 2001, 9:11 PM > >>> > >>> > >>> Hi dubhead, > >>> > >>> dublab Phase 1 has ended. > >>> > >>> Over two years ago an idea brewed in the collective > >>> clouds of our minds. We joined together and built a > >>> concept based on the positive music that guides our > >>> lives. The mission was to spread these sounds across > >>> the world and enrich lives. > >>> > >>> We all took a leap, quit our jobs, and turned our > >>> dreams into reality. The early months were spent > >>> assembling a superior crew of djs, researching > >>> technology, formulating our objectives, and hammering > >>> nails into wood to build a studio. (the next few > >>> weeks were spent staring with wide-eyed amazement as > >>> the studio actually stood) > >>> > >>> For the past year and a half we have taken immense > >>> pleasure in bringing you the best music in the world. > >>> All the labrats have poured their hearts and souls > >>> into creating a unique and beautiful experience. > >>> > >>> Unfortunately, the economy has not mirrored our > >>> tremendous growth. We blossomed and spread creative > >>> energy while investor pocketbooks snapped tight like > >>> Venus flytraps. We looked high and low for people > >>> that could grasp the amazing force and value that is > >>> dublab. We learned that pioneers often go hungry. > >>> > >>> **This Wednesday at 6pm pst we will be temporarily > >>> turning off the dublab live stream.** > >>> > >>> This is not the end of dublab! It is our hope to > >>> secure investment and relaunch the live stream even > >>> better than before. > >>> > >>> Please continue to visit the page, listen to the > >>> archives, communicate with fellow dubheads in the chat > >>> room, use the links, read the reviews, and enjoy all > >>> the other content we have created. Also keep your > >>> eyes peeled for the first dublab "Field Reports" > >>> compilation to be released on Emperor Norton Records > >>> in May!!! > >>> > >>> Thank you for your amazing support, encouragement, and > >>> inspiration. Please continue to spread the word and > >>> keep us in your thoughts! > >>> > >>> If you would like to touch base please use the > >>> feedback feature on dublab or info@dublab.com > >>> > >>> Peace, > >>> > >>> the Labrats aka the optimistic unstoppable dreamers > >>> > >>> -Derek McNeill > >>> http://www.dublab.com > >>>
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