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quoted 7 lines Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:57:33 -0600

> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:57:33 -0600 > From: Matt U <mattu@mindspring.com> > Subject: Re: [idm] old vs. new autechre > > Personally, I give even less credence to the "let's see if you can do > better" argument than the "they ain't what they used to be" argument, > and that's not saying much.

okay, but why? in turn, i will ask, "why does you want quad, penta, sexta repetae?" autechre could have copied themselves over and again and easily ensured their fan-base and livelihood. is that what you folks are after? there is something to be said for artists who decide to keep challenging themselves -- and the listener, at the risk of alienating him/her -- after reaching a level of critical success. suakrates says it best: "i'll keep my fans forever learners..." the baseball players that hit homeruns also get struck out occasionally, but you remember their names and it's fun to watch them play. let autechre worry about autechre... in turn, i will ask the same question i asked months ago: "why are a majority of 'musicians' today making their living on the gimmick of a particular type of sound?" and, yes, i am talking about the "DSP-fuckery" cadre of musicians -- you know who you are -- who sell stylistic technique under the guise of creative substance. to me, what it boils down to are a dearth of creative sense and a glut of plug-ins that make pretty much any laptop owner under 20 an "artist" and a media darling. all that i can do as a listener is wait for the dross to settle. (failing that, i can always fall back on folk music. it's always been good to me.) selah, a. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

everyone there has been much bitching about music and styles today...but one thing eludes me; what is DSP ? someone let me know! :) anyway - no need to bitch. if you dont like it, dont buy it. surely everyone has the right to write and listen to whatever they want! i'm sure plenty of people dont get into our stuff - every style has its place and its people! peace posthuman --- Alex Reynolds <reynolda@sas.upenn.edu> wrote: > > Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:57:33 -0600

quoted 60 lines From: Matt U <mattu@mindspring.com>

> > From: Matt U <mattu@mindspring.com> > > Subject: Re: [idm] old vs. new autechre > > > > Personally, I give even less credence to the > "let's see if you can do > > better" argument than the "they ain't what they > used to be" argument, > > and that's not saying much. > > okay, but why? > > in turn, i will ask, "why does you want quad, penta, > sexta repetae?" > autechre could have copied themselves over and again > and easily > ensured their fan-base and livelihood. is that what > you folks are > after? > > there is something to be said for artists who decide > to keep > challenging themselves -- and the listener, at the > risk of alienating > him/her -- after reaching a level of critical > success. suakrates says > it best: "i'll keep my fans forever learners..." the > baseball players > that hit homeruns also get struck out occasionally, > but you remember > their names and it's fun to watch them play. > > let autechre worry about autechre... > > in turn, i will ask the same question i asked months > ago: "why are a > majority of 'musicians' today making their living on > the gimmick of a > particular type of sound?" and, yes, i am talking > about the > "DSP-fuckery" cadre of musicians -- you know who you > are -- who sell > stylistic technique under the guise of creative > substance. > > to me, what it boils down to are a dearth of > creative sense and a > glut of plug-ins that make pretty much any laptop > owner under 20 an > "artist" and a media darling. > > all that i can do as a listener is wait for the > dross to settle. > (failing that, i can always fall back on folk music. > it's always been > good to me.) > > selah, > a. > >

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my, what sagely advice....are you a social worker or are you really posthuman? if so - whats the score with skam records? are you involved or did you just use a bullshit line to sell your cd-r's? p.s. nice work on the cd-r. i dont like track 4 or the last one but the rest is excellent. james

quoted 103 lines From: j d <oberheim_thief@yahoo.co.uk>

>From: j d <oberheim_thief@yahoo.co.uk> >To: bio-computing@sas.upenn.edu >CC: idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] time to fish or cut bait >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 15:51:28 +0000 (GMT) > >everyone > >there has been much bitching about music and styles >today...but one thing eludes me; > >what is DSP ? someone let me know! :) > >anyway - no need to bitch. if you dont like it, dont >buy it. surely everyone has the right to write and >listen to whatever they want! i'm sure plenty of >people dont get into our stuff - every style has its >place and its people! > >peace > >posthuman > > >--- Alex Reynolds <reynolda@sas.upenn.edu> wrote: > > >Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 01:57:33 -0600 > > > From: Matt U <mattu@mindspring.com> > > > Subject: Re: [idm] old vs. new autechre > > > > > > Personally, I give even less credence to the > > "let's see if you can do > > > better" argument than the "they ain't what they > > used to be" argument, > > > and that's not saying much. > > > > okay, but why? > > > > in turn, i will ask, "why does you want quad, penta, > > sexta repetae?" > > autechre could have copied themselves over and again > > and easily > > ensured their fan-base and livelihood. is that what > > you folks are > > after? > > > > there is something to be said for artists who decide > > to keep > > challenging themselves -- and the listener, at the > > risk of alienating > > him/her -- after reaching a level of critical > > success. suakrates says > > it best: "i'll keep my fans forever learners..." the > > baseball players > > that hit homeruns also get struck out occasionally, > > but you remember > > their names and it's fun to watch them play. > > > > let autechre worry about autechre... > > > > in turn, i will ask the same question i asked months > > ago: "why are a > > majority of 'musicians' today making their living on > > the gimmick of a > > particular type of sound?" and, yes, i am talking > > about the > > "DSP-fuckery" cadre of musicians -- you know who you > > are -- who sell > > stylistic technique under the guise of creative > > substance. > > > > to me, what it boils down to are a dearth of > > creative sense and a > > glut of plug-ins that make pretty much any laptop > > owner under 20 an > > "artist" and a media darling. > > > > all that i can do as a listener is wait for the > > dross to settle. > > (failing that, i can always fall back on folk music. > > it's always been > > good to me.) > > > > selah, > > a. > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > >____________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk >or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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"...(Sunsp0t)..." <sunspot@subdimension.com> wrote: : Digital signal processing. Sound manipulation. And through the use of new : software, it allows for quick and easy generation of IDM music - if your : into exhuasted drum loops disguised with random glitches of sound. Cool! So just what specific plugins are you talking about? And what music (using the term loosely, of course) can you name that was produced in the way you described? : For a little exercise. Just take an old 4-measure electro track + random : glitch sounds to make it "sloppy" and "non-standard" and you have yourself : "Intelligent" dance music. Throw a child-like nursery rhyme melody in for : a spot on the Top Ten IDM records of the Century. Enlighten us, then. What tracks do you think were done this way? Name names... We won't tell. -Ed --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org