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allow me to de-lurk for a moment. big fat imho on this one:

quoted 5 lines Christ. I've been hearing people yelp and whine about

> Christ. I've been hearing people yelp and whine about > community since the post-hey day of Operation Ivy. > The idea that "scene" and "community" should go > together is an old, silly and, at least in my mind, a > discredited idea.

um, why shouldn't "scene and community" go together? we are social animals, after all. people like their "scenes" to have a sense of "community" for the same reason anyone enjoys community - it's fun, and in many ways useful, to be associated with a group that has the same interests and tastes as oneself. there's nothing wrong with wishing the idm "scene" could have more "community." or in wishing the idm crowd were more friendly, or the artists less obnoxious (i'm not saying they are). those seem to be reasonable complaints, and a tormented-artist-shy- computer-geek-asshole is still an asshole. if your point is that we should remove ourselves completely from the rock&roll/artist-as-author paradigm, then i disagree. i just don't see the point of it. while markus popp should clearly not be deified, what's wrong with saying "dude, nice show" or "i appreciate what you do" or somesuch, if you think the guy has talent? (wait, i'm mixing threads aren't i?)

quoted 6 lines I remember (back in the day) when Kathleen Hannah (in

> I remember (back in the day) when Kathleen Hannah (in > her Bikini Kill days) used to get on stage, late, and > announce to the crowd, which would be chanting some > variant on the "get on the stage and play" tip, that > she was not their fucking waitress. I.e., it was not > her job to serve the crowd.

from a simple exchange of goods and services standpoint, this is bullshit. it absolutely IS her job to serve the crowd, if they paid 15 or 20 bucks to see her that night. it's a job, dammit. if you don't like it then you shouldn't be playing live - to do otherwise and then treat your paying crowd like shit is pretty fucked up. likewise, if you push play on your laptop and spend the rest of the time playing solitaire, you've pretty much ripped off your fans, imho, and that is something worth complaining about. (unless it's cex dancing around and eating live chickens or whatever - now that's entertainment!) it's called a performance for a reason, and if you're not up to the task then you shouldn't be charging admission. nub, np. nothing --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org