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2000-08-08 20:48Philip Sherburne [idm] more on genres & writing
├─ 2000-08-08 22:29Guillaume Grenier Re: [idm] more on genres & writing
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2000-08-08 20:48Philip Sherburne>So here's my main point about why writers don't like genres....in my opinion >and in my p
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[idm] more on genres & writing
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quoted 1 line So here's my main point about why writers don't like genres....in my>So here's my main point about why writers don't like genres....in my
opinion
quoted 3 lines and in my personal experiences, I spend so much time dealing with generic>and in my personal experiences, I spend so much time dealing with generic >trash that I get pretty damn excited when I hear something new. You don't >even want to know how many "Sasha in Ibiza"-type CDs that writers and
retail
quoted 2 lines buyers have to wade through. Even with mounds of music on my desk, I still>buyers have to wade through. Even with mounds of music on my desk, I still >find myself listening to stuff such as Basic Channel, Jeff Mills, The
Doors,
quoted 1 line and Public Enemy at home.>and Public Enemy at home.
I think we're talking about slightly different things, that's all, Jason - I'm not defending "generic trash" (and shit, I had to review Paul Van Dyk recently, which was definitely a low point in my own writing career), but rather *genres*. Many writers (and I'm thinking much more of mass-market writers than ppl accustomed to writing for specialist mags) attack genres as though their limits were the problem, but the point about a genre is that its boundaries, its limits (not necessarily limitations) are what define it. Delimit it, literally. While Echlin's comment that too much house music samples disco (I'm paraphrasing) is a legitimate critique, it's also worth realizing that house music is heavily rooted in disco, and part of the challenge for good house is to continue playing with this, seeing what can be done within the strictures of a 4/4 beat and a disco loop. Again, I'm not saying that innovation is bad - but rather that too many ppl overlook the value of innovation *within* a structured, rule-based form. (Just think about Bach, Beethoven, and the classical trope of "theme & variations" - for a contemporary take on this, check out Frederick Reszewski's excellent "The People United Will Never Be Defeated" (http://www.newalbion.com/NA063/) - a set of variations based on the Chilean protest song.) Finally, as far as magazines go, and the hunt for informed writing on this-listy music, I'd recommend people to keep looking further afield than their local "alternative" weekly (for instance the SF Bay Guardian, for all its progressive bombast, continually disappoints in its electronic music coverage) - try * Sleaze Nation - amazing UK mag (www.sleazenation.co.uk) * Grooves - US zine (www.groovesmag.com) * The Wire - (www.thewire.co.uk) I have never picked up an issue of this and not learned something about music * XLR8R - (www.xlr8r.com) interestingly, rapidly moving its focus from raving & "the scene" and, under Tomas Palermo's excellent editorial direction, branching out into much more experimental & advanced musics - check the upcoming issue on California experimental techno, with many this-listy favorites featured prominently * SonicNet - (www.sonicnet.com) it may be owned by MTV, but they follow a totally objective editorial policy, and they give review & news space to some really great stuff (recent reviews include Arovane, Markus Nikolai, Oval, Kid 606... - not yr typical MTV fare) * Alternative Press - Dave Segal consistently curates an excellent BPM section, and packs the review section with quality material, far beyond what you'd expect from the Limp Bizkit cover photo * Surface - it looks like Wallpaper and focuses mainly on fashion, but fuck it - they've let me write on Chris Cunningham, Carsten Nicolai, Jon Wozencroft, Funkstorung - it may not be a music mag, but they're another publication out there that "gets it," and gives space to intelligent writing on good music (Disclaimer - I'm involved with four of the above, so feel free to take my recommendations with a grain of salt.) I'm sure there are more that I've forgotten - the point is, if you're disappointed in the writing you're seeing, counter it! Write a letter to the editor if the reviewer has gotten it totally wrong. Flip to the reviews section in bizarre looking mags when at the newsstand - you might be surprised who's giving space to good music these days (like Surface). And Jason, at least you can be content that you guys supply content to like, most of the Internet... Better AMG than, say, Rolling Stone! :) Philip Sherburne Executive Managing Editor, Technology 510-985-7885 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-08-08 22:29Guillaume GrenierOn 08/08/2000 16:48, Philip Sherburne said in living color: > (Just think about Bach, Beet
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On 08/08/2000 16:48, Philip Sherburne said in living color:
quoted 5 lines (Just think about Bach, Beethoven, and the classical trope of "theme &> (Just think about Bach, Beethoven, and the classical trope of "theme & > variations" - for a contemporary take on this, check out Frederick Reszewski's > excellent "The People United Will Never Be Defeated" > (http://www.newalbion.com/NA063/) - a set of variations based on the Chilean > protest song.)
Wow... I'm surprised to read something about Rzewski's "The People..." on this list... I can't pass up the opportunity to recommend this piece... <drooling mode on> This is such an *amazing* piece. Really. If you've have the slightest interest in contemporary classical music (or, if you're not very well acquainted with the genre but would like to dabble in), you must get a recording of this. An incredible synthesis of writing techniques and eclectic aesthetics (try to say that one fast ten times in a row...). Still, a very strong, coherent and cohesive unit. And, it *also* manages to be very expressive. And accessible. And stunning. OK... Also, might I suggest Marc-André Hamelin's incredible recording on Hyperion. <http://www.hyperion-records.co.uk/details/67077.html> </drooling mode off> We now return you to your regular idm "programming" (hah). g. -- Guillaume Grenier - gollum@videotron.ca in space there is no north in space there is no south in space there is no east in space there is no west --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2000-08-09 09:52Medium GrahamRecently I picked up a copy of Paper magazine in an airport. The magazine was total trash,
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Recently I picked up a copy of Paper magazine in an airport. The magazine was total trash, but it did have an interview with Ritchie Hawtin. G-love.
quoted 30 lines Finally, as far as magazines go, and the hunt for informed> Finally, as far as magazines go, and the hunt for informed > writing on this-listy music, I'd recommend people to keep > looking further afield than their local "alternative" weekly > (for instance the SF Bay Guardian, for all its progressive > bombast, continually disappoints in its electronic music > coverage) - try > * Sleaze Nation - amazing UK mag (www.sleazenation.co.uk) > * Grooves - US zine (www.groovesmag.com) > * The Wire - (www.thewire.co.uk) I have never picked up an > issue of this and not learned something about music > * XLR8R - (www.xlr8r.com) interestingly, rapidly moving its > focus from raving & "the scene" and, under Tomas Palermo's > excellent editorial direction, branching out into much more > experimental & advanced musics - check the upcoming issue on > California experimental techno, with many this-listy favorites > featured prominently > * SonicNet - (www.sonicnet.com) it may be owned by MTV, but > they follow a totally objective editorial policy, and they > give review & news space to some really great stuff (recent > reviews include Arovane, Markus Nikolai, Oval, Kid 606... - > not yr typical MTV fare) > * Alternative Press - Dave Segal consistently curates an > excellent BPM section, and packs the review section with > quality material, far beyond what you'd expect from the > Limp Bizkit cover photo > * Surface - it looks like Wallpaper and focuses mainly on > fashion, but fuck it - they've let me write on Chris Cunningham, > Carsten Nicolai, Jon Wozencroft, Funkstorung - it may not be a > music mag, but they're another publication out there that "gets > it," and gives space to intelligent writing on good music
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