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1999-11-01 05:38moench (idm) Colleges?\rocking my boat
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1999-11-01 05:38moenchThe good people of the IDM list, I would appreciate any help anyone can give me: I'm a sen
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The good people of the IDM list, I would appreciate any help anyone can give me: I'm a senior in high school and I'm looking at colleges and trying to decide what to do with my life. I have been studying the cello and classical music for 13 years now but my real love is electronic music. In fact, I don't really like playing the cello all that much and I find most classical music boring (it's a matter of taste). I definitely want to have a career in music but if I am going to starve (cause musicians don't make any money) i don't want to starve doing something i hate - such as playing in an orchestra. I realize that living in my parent's basement with a sampler and a drum machine for the rest of my life is not going to happen, but I am toying with the idea of someday being a producer and am wondering if any of the producers or sound engineer (etc.) people on the list could give me some information about their careers, what school I should apply to, how much money is involved, how i should prepare now, etc. ANYTHING at all would be very helpful. I am going to have to go somewhere with a good cello performance program but any college recommendations would be very helpful. So far the only place I have in mind is USC but i need to come up with some other schools pretty fast because of application deadlines. I would especially appreciate any information about courses of study. I am going to have to audition for a Cello Performance (major) scholarship but I think what I want to do involves a Recording Arts major instead. I am one very confused kid right now. Oh and music: Brian Lustmord & Robert Rich "Stalker" album is very good super spooky beatless ambient. Lillianthal "castor and pollux", Dom and Roland - "Industry", Lexaunculpt CD-R, Monolake - "The Gobi" and "Hong Kong", Chris De Luca - "Unkown", Modula Green - "Shellground", and Skam 10 This are all rocking my boat right now. Oh and if anyone wants to come play a show in Utah (Lex?), you can stay at my house. There's free cheese sandwiches too. -Pete --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-01 14:20Irene McCOn 31 Oct 99, moench wrote re: (idm) Colleges?\rocking my boat: > any of the producers or
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On 31 Oct 99, moench wrote re: (idm) Colleges?\rocking my boat:
quoted 2 lines any of the producers or sound engineer (etc.) people on the> any of the producers or sound engineer (etc.) people on the > list
My husband is a sound engineer / producer / composer / studio owner and I'll quickly track his career for you: Fourth son, mother school music teacher, father actor. Since age 8 tinkered in the garage with old tape recorders his older brothers had discarded. By the age of 12 was playing bass guitar with a band founded by one of his brothers (drummer) and by age 14 busy recording other people in his home-made recording studio (the garage had been kindly turned into his workshop area by very understanding parents.) The band became one of South Africa's top charting groups in the late 70's and into the 80's. He's never studied music - can't tell an F sharp from a G flat when written on a stave, but has perfect pitch and plays many instruments pretty well. I guess it's been a series of lucky breaks and now that he's established, he is *inundated* by young people much like yourself, wanting to get into that side of the business. There are now Technical Colleges and tertiary education schools that offer degrees in sound engineering, there's even a "DJ School" somewhere hereabouts! Things are easier now than ever before - adequate equipment is no longer only available to high earners : PC's/Mac's can perform wonders in the electronic music field (as well we know). Advice? Do. Produce. Impress. Don't just go knocking on doors - have a DAT (MD or whatever) handy showing off your prowess, and be prepared to work hard. One of Tully's former assistants is now producer to one of the country's cult morning radio shows and really enjoying it. (Personally, I've done years and years of classical piano, which I've never put to good use at all. I don't regret the training, but the moment I passed all my final exams, I quit practising ... - I'm not proud of this, but I know I'm not an isolated case.) Good luck! I * --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-02 00:03ndhi moench and everybody moench wrote: >>>I am one very confused kid right now. the best co
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hi moench and everybody moench wrote:
quoted 1 line I am one very confused kid right now.>>>I am one very confused kid right now.
the best condition to start in this field :-) my point of view is one that is in between the teach-oneself approach and the "proper training" approach. i had a go at training in london ten years ago. masters in recording arts etc were still not around (and i did not have the cash or the intention to attend one): it was still the time of "sound engineer courses". i was coming from some musical experience playing keyboards both by myself (hey! the '80s, one man MIDI bands! now it's so common eh?) and with my mates' bands (veery lo tech). like Irene, on her husband:
quoted 3 lines He's never studied music - can't tell an F sharp from a G flat when>He's never studied music - can't tell an F sharp from a G flat when >written on a stave, but has perfect pitch and plays many >instruments pretty well.
i tried to study music but gave up pretty early. can't tell chords from one another but i can play them anyway. i actually went to london to study sound engineering because i decided that i was not into studying music in itself :-) you have a plus point in that you know music (see further down). anyway, the results: never got a job as sound engineer or producer, "officially" that is. i came back to my country and after a while decided i didn't wanna live here really so i went to italy to study at university. a bit related but not much: entertainment studies (theatre, cinema, some music, media etc.): all very theoretical, not much use to a career in engineering etc but a new dimension to my interests. then a surprise: i meet some people here who do electronics and start working with them. i get out all the tricks i learned in london plus some added consciousness about what i am doing as far as "expression" is concerned. now: it's what i aimed to really, in the end. "sound engineer's music", ha ha ha, some people define electronics like that. i must say i can relate to that completely. and i also think about some of the "pioneers" of electronics, who made their first moves with the aid of engineers back in the 50s and 60s. now i am making music, producing other people and djing. a job? no, not completely. i earn from that but not enough to make a living. i'd like it to be that way but in fact have all sorts of other interests to follow. and in the end i don't really believe in having a job for life. "periods" would best, even if they usually overlap in some way. i haven0t had a full time job for 10 years now and i don't think i'll want one in the future, not even in the music business. so, advice? Irene said:
quoted 1 line Advice? Do. Produce. Impress.>Advice? Do. Produce. Impress.
may i add: diversify. lay down a good number of seeds, talk to people, meet other music makers, etc. and get yourself a good work area for music, large and well lit :-) (if you can) Irene said:
quoted 3 lines One of Tully's former assistants is now>One of Tully's former assistants is now >producer to one of the country's cult morning radio shows and >really enjoying it.
this is another element, too. one of the things i had to face (and i still don't like it that much...) is that no matter the school training you get, you will then step into the business making tea usually. and then "steal" the practice. i've always fought that: the only real worthy element is that you can in fact get advantage from working with someone who is very good, BUT you can meet these people on a more equal basis, and that usually happens "OUT" of the "real job" field. meet people, collaborate, things will then start to happen. don't expect much, and everything will be a welcome surprise :-) ok, enough. idm content: i love bochum welt. been buying too many records lately, expect some sale/trade list in the future :-) and sean whalen is a great guy: eager to remix yr stuff in the rmx chain mate! bye all nd --there is a crack in everything. that's how the light gets in ....................................................... <table homepage - idm and multimedia> http://www.tinet.ch/table <records for sale/trade etc.> http://www.crosswinds.net/~hitom/idm/saletrade.html ....................................................... --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-02 04:28AeOtaku@aol.comMusic school? Depends how much money you have. Conservatories like Julliard and Oberlin ar
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Music school? Depends how much money you have. Conservatories like Julliard and Oberlin are about the best in the country. Of course, if you're unsure what you want to do, you would be better off just enrolling at a nice overall school with a decent location and seeing what comes up. Those college years, lots of changes. And BTW, might I cheer this post for adding a human touch to otherwise musical threads. Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
1999-11-02 07:35greg daviswhomever this concerned> i was at the music school at depaul university in chicago for 5 y
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whomever this concerned> i was at the music school at depaul university in chicago for 5 years. it was nice because it wasnt a top notch expensive/competitve conservatory style of school. but it was a very good school with good faculty and nice programs. and they have a pretty damn good sound recording technology program which interacts with professional studios. i had many friends in the program and they were happy with it. most all of them have some sort of jobs in studios. plus you would be in chicago which is a cool city. lots going on musically. the only problem i had at depaul was that it was very conservative. if you wanted to do something weird or different or "avant garde" or "out" you had to do it on your own time away from school. there is alot of improvised/electronic/experimental types of music happening in chicago but its funny that the school doesnt pay any attention to that part of the city. oh well. check it out. later, greg davis autumn records www.amug.org/~jkdavis/autumn "now in boston, at an expensive/competitive conservatory. oh how i miss chicago" np: high llamas-snowbug (on deck: brian eno-discreet music) AeOtaku@aol.com wrote:
quoted 15 lines Music school?> Music school? > Depends how much money you have. > Conservatories like Julliard and Oberlin are about > the best in the country. Of course, if you're unsure > what you want to do, you would be better off just > enrolling at a nice overall school with a decent location > and seeing what comes up. Those college years, > lots of changes. And BTW, might I cheer this post > for adding a human touch to otherwise musical threads. > > Matt > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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