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quoted 7 lines Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:30:37 -0700 (PDT)

>Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:30:37 -0700 (PDT) >From: Blag <blag@ultra.gawth.com> >Subject: Re: (idm) KIDROCKstock > >Man, I don't care what anyone says, Kid Rock is the shit. He does not >give a FUCK.... the thought of this guy in his basement screaming "WHAT'S >MY NAME?" into a microphone...

Are you sure you're not talking about Eminem? *cough* I only caught a glimpse of the extensive MTV coverage, but I do recall Kid Rock screaming, "America No 1! America No 1! We're number one baby!" when some asshole frat boy starting waving an american flag into the camera. What a dick. Counterculture, my ass. Kid Rock and Eminem are part of a disturbing marketing trend where rap music is directed towards poor white teenagers -- the "white trash" demographic that keeps Jerry Springer's ratings high. Anyone who thinks these two have an ounce of creativity or artistic credibility in them should be put up against a wall and sprayed with a garden hose. Woodstock was always about the money and the marketing, even up to the riot -- a brilliant tactic on the part of the producers to set up drama for Woodstock IV: The Sequel. Then we get to the "rave producers". Enter cokehead Matt E. Silver, who in some drugged-out fury screams repeatedly "This is the future, america!" when asked by a journalist about "the rave music." If you watch MTV, if you buy the products, if you go to the shows, you're buying into a pre-packaged, bland, homogenized, tasteless experience. You can call that elitism, you can call it whatever you want, but that's the reality. -ar

On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Alex Reynolds wrote:

quoted 9 lines Kid Rock and Eminem are part of a disturbing marketing trend where rap

> > Kid Rock and Eminem are part of a disturbing marketing trend where rap > music is directed towards poor white teenagers -- the "white trash" > demographic that keeps Jerry Springer's ratings high. > > Anyone who thinks these two have an ounce of creativity or artistic > credibility in them should be put up against a wall and sprayed with a > garden hose. >

You know, a diss like that really requires a response. I like eminem a lot, but I hate kid rock. Kid Rock basically revels in white trash stupidity, and has found a willing audience. Eminem on the other hand most definitely came up from the streets, and has his own lyrical style that people will be biting on for years. To lump them together is stupid. Kid Rock panders, whereas Eminem seems to me to really spit his venom with directness, honesty, and real humor. And I don't know if you really listen to hip hop, but Eminems vocal talents are unique. MCs generally ride the beat with a chanting cadence. Eminem is all over the place rhythmically, which would be the kiss of death for a lesser MC. But he sells his rhymes with great diction and confidence, and makes the natural speech rhythm alternately ride freely and hit hard on the beat. Lesser MC's are stuck making jumprope rhyme rhythms, but Eminem hits more like a good jazz drummer. I'm not asking you to like either one, but I think your analysis is wrong. Eminem is all about saying what everyone else is too polite or scared to say, and Kid Rock is David Lee Roth with a DJ. Eminem was a battle MC champion before he had a pot to piss in. Kid Rock is a lame wannabe who finally figured out how to suck the danger out of Rage against the Machine and turn it into a frat boy kegger jam.

On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, ChairCrusher wrote:

quoted 7 lines I'm not asking you to like either one, but I think your analysis is wrong.

> I'm not asking you to like either one, but I think your analysis is wrong. > Eminem is all about saying what everyone else is too polite or scared to say, > and Kid Rock is David Lee Roth with a DJ. Eminem was a battle MC champion > before he had a pot to piss in. Kid Rock is a lame wannabe who finally > figured out how to suck the danger out of Rage against the Machine and > turn it into a frat boy kegger jam. >

Oh, good lord. People are not "too polite" nor "scared" to rap about their moms smoking pot or songs about why you should or should not nail drunk sluts at frat parties. Most people just don't _want_ to talk about these things, because they realize it's quite _stupid_. And, by the way, Rage Against the Machine basically is a frat boy kegger jam. You're kidding yourself with this dangerous nonsense. - wells

At 10:28 AM 7/27/99 -0400, wells wrote:

quoted 4 lines On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, ChairCrusher wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, ChairCrusher wrote: > >> I'm not asking you to like either one, but I think your analysis is wrong. >> Eminem is all about saying what everyone else is too polite or scared to

say,

quoted 8 lines and Kid Rock is David Lee Roth with a DJ. Eminem was a battle MC champion

>> and Kid Rock is David Lee Roth with a DJ. Eminem was a battle MC champion >> before he had a pot to piss in. Kid Rock is a lame wannabe who finally >> figured out how to suck the danger out of Rage against the Machine and >> turn it into a frat boy kegger jam. >> > >Oh, good lord. People are not "too polite" nor "scared" to rap about their >moms smoking pot or songs about why you should or should not nail drunk

sluts at frat parties.

quoted 2 lines Most people just don't _want_ to talk about these

>Most people just don't _want_ to talk about these >things, because they realize it's quite _stupid_.

oh yeah, i guess poverty and drug use are just stupid problems and no one wants to talk about these. Kent was right, people are scared to admit to that these things are a product of our society. how often do you talk to people who say 'oh yeah my mom's a pothead'? you think they think it's stupid that their mom is a pothead? no. they're scared to admit it. this is coming from someone who knew em's indie shit a year before 'my name is' dropped, he deserves more respect than anyone else who's selling hip hop records today (unless you count the roots or outkast), in that he actually has SKILL. he actually earned his way to a major label deal, through self promotion and dedication, as opposed to the standard record exec-creation group/artist (see: dmx) although he may be selling records because of his shock tacticts and white image. he worked hard to get where he is and has an unique style and loads of talent. he may be a pop icon right now, but trust me, the kid has skills. he's very diverse, he can kick standard battle raps, stories ('just the two of us'), etc. he has a unique delivery and voice and isn't afraid to speak his mind. a modern day slick rick. i have to be honest though, i didn't like his album, but i base it more on the shitty production. i prefer the slim shady ep, personally.

On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, mtheulthetant wrote:

quoted 6 lines oh yeah, i guess poverty and drug use are just stupid problems and no one

> oh yeah, i guess poverty and drug use are just stupid problems and no one > wants to talk about these. Kent was right, people are scared to admit to > that these things are a product of our society. how often do you talk to > people who say 'oh yeah my mom's a pothead'? you think they think it's > stupid that their mom is a pothead? no. they're scared to admit it. >

are you being serious? i can't tell. you are trying to tell me that eminem speaks seriously about issues such as poverty and drug use, right? you're actually proposing that? give me a break. he's making the mockery of such issues, not me. he's a joke, his music is a (bad) joke, and whatever "skills" he has are completely lost on me. i may not be too familiar with his music, but let me assure you, he's not saying _anything_ important. - wells

At 11:45 AM 7/27/99 -0400, wells wrote:

quoted 11 lines On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, mtheulthetant wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, mtheulthetant wrote: > >> oh yeah, i guess poverty and drug use are just stupid problems and no one >> wants to talk about these. Kent was right, people are scared to admit to >> that these things are a product of our society. how often do you talk to >> people who say 'oh yeah my mom's a pothead'? you think they think it's >> stupid that their mom is a pothead? no. they're scared to admit it. >> > >are you being serious? i can't tell. you are trying to tell me that eminem >speaks seriously about issues such as poverty and drug use, right?

no, i'm trying to tell you that eminem is a product of poverty and to a lesser extent drug use. he speaks on what he is. he's being honest with people and with himself. so he wrote about killing his baby's mom. how many people in the world do you think about killing their baby's mom? belive it or not, loads. maybe it's an form of venting. would you rather he rap about his benz and rolex?

quoted 3 lines you're

>you're >actually proposing that? give me a break. he's making the mockery of such >issues, not me. he's a joke, his music is a (bad) joke, and

how is it that he is a joke? what's so funny? he may be PERCIVED as a joke, but he's just doing what he's been doing for years. suddenly he goes platinum and it's a joke.

quoted 2 lines i may not be too familiar with

>i may not be too familiar with >his music,

then why are you arguing about it? why make such a blanket statement as 'let me assure you, he's not saying _anything_ important.' when you've probably heard no more than one or two of his songs. for all you know, the album could be a revolutionary piece of art (which it's not, fyi, but it is worth a listen or two)

quoted 2 lines whatever

>whatever >"skills" he has are completely lost on me.

that's because, aside from the fact that you've heard hardly any of his music, you also probably know little to nothing about hip hop. have you ever tried to write a rhyme? freestyle? it's tough. eminem has "skills", in that he can do both those well, something that most people can't. regardless of content, just to be able to do this well is something to respect. vr

quoted 5 lines oh yeah, i guess poverty and drug use are just stupid problems and no one

> oh yeah, i guess poverty and drug use are just stupid problems and no one > wants to talk about these. Kent was right, people are scared to admit to > that these things are a product of our society. how often do you talk to > people who say 'oh yeah my mom's a pothead'? you think they think it's > stupid that their mom is a pothead? no. they're scared to admit it.

but they're not going to be any less scared when the subject is trivialized by some goofy rapper. 'Cheers' didn't make it any easier to say 'oh yeah my mom's an alcoholic,' did it? if anything, this kind of pop-culture co-opting of serious, painful topics makes it more difficult to say these things because people shrug them off as 'the way things are.' Eminem isn't trying to enlighten anybody. ,rj../ ___,">www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1

quoted 2 lines And, by the way, Rage Against the Machine basically is a frat boy kegger

> And, by the way, Rage Against the Machine basically is a frat boy kegger > jam. You're kidding yourself with this dangerous nonsense.

i'd wager that if you informed the average kid at a 'Rage' concert that his use of cigarettes could be construed as a hypocritical support of businesses which are some of the most ruthless examples of capitalism's utter lack of compassion for the consumer, not to mention their devastating effect on the environment, he would call you a faggot and push you really hard. when you write songs that repeat the phrase "fuck you i won't do what you tell me" over and over again, you tend to attract a certain type of fan... and it's not socialist intellectuals. ,rj../k ___,">www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1

On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, r. kidwell wrote:

quoted 8 lines And, by the way, Rage Against the Machine basically is a frat boy kegger

> > And, by the way, Rage Against the Machine basically is a frat boy kegger > > jam. You're kidding yourself with this dangerous nonsense. > > when you write songs that repeat the phrase > "fuck you i won't do what you tell me" over > and over again, you tend to attract a certain > type of fan... and it's not socialist > intellectuals.

exactly. i don't thin the average frat-boy-in-a-jeep Rage fan really gives a damn what he's screaming about. just as long as he curses a lot. - wells

On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, ChairCrusher wrote:

quoted 2 lines whereas Eminem seems to me to really spit his venom with directness,

> whereas Eminem seems to me to really spit his venom with directness, > honesty, and real humor.

Date rape, cutting throats, homophobic crank calls, kidnapping. Yes, this is all quality material. Granted, the mushroom song had its moments.

quoted 1 line And I don't know if you really listen to hip hop,

> And I don't know if you really listen to hip hop,

Eminem would be back to scrubbing the barnacles off my 40ft speedboat if Dre didn't help out.

quoted 2 lines figured out how to suck the danger out of Rage against the Machine and

> figured out how to suck the danger out of Rage against the Machine and > turn it into a frat boy kegger jam.

RATM are a bunch of fucking hypocrites, working for Sony, selling $50 tickets and t-shirts and mouthing off about socialism, like they know anything about the working class. Just for laughs, let's not delve into the socioeconomic makeup of their audience. -ar

On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Alexander P. Reynolds wrote:

quoted 6 lines RATM are a bunch of fucking hypocrites, working for Sony, selling $50

> RATM are a bunch of fucking hypocrites, working for Sony, selling $50 > tickets and t-shirts and mouthing off about socialism, like they know > anything about the working class. Just for laughs, let's not delve into > the socioeconomic makeup of their audience. > > -ar

not to leave out: rage against the machine come from irvine -- a VERY well-to-do community in orange county, so-cal (where the only real good thing is the university and a nice radio station :).. perhaps they never got that porche/pony they wanted so bad? to leave out: list-worthy idm content. chris. music for lunchpails . wednesdays 7-9pm . kuci 88.9fm . www.kuci.org ..pain enables both the giver and the receiver..

On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Alexander P. Reynolds wrote:

quoted 8 lines On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, ChairCrusher wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, ChairCrusher wrote: > > > whereas Eminem seems to me to really spit his venom with directness, > > honesty, and real humor. > > Date rape, cutting throats, homophobic crank calls, kidnapping. Yes, this > is all quality material. Granted, the mushroom song had its moments. >

You have to distinguish between writing from an antisocial point of view, the better to hold it up for examination, and actually advocating those things. Dostoevsky didn't murder anyone, but he did write "Crime and Punishment." Not that Eminem is Dostoevsky. Actually the mushroom song is my least favorite. I like "rock bottom" the best.

quoted 4 lines You have to distinguish between writing from an antisocial point of view,

> You have to distinguish between writing from an antisocial point of view, > the better to hold it up for examination, and actually advocating those > things. Dostoevsky didn't murder anyone, but he did write "Crime and > Punishment." Not that Eminem is Dostoevsky.

do the kids that listen to Eminem draw this distinction? I seriously doubt many of them do. when they hear first-person rapping about 40s and blunts and date rape and being hard, they're not laughing at the absurdity of it all... What Dostoyevski can do with a 500+ page novel is quite different than what Eminem can do in a 5 minute song. irony and absurdity can be developed as themes, and in Crime & Punishment, when Raskolnikov gets down on his knees and thanks God after being exiled, we know Dostoyevski's intentions and beliefs. Eminem is not drawing a clear line like Dostoyevski. And Eminem is heard on the radio, speaking in first person, by an audience of American teenagers many of which whom have no concept of literary irony (and i'm not referring to one socioeconomic class here.. i'm talking about teens in every mall in every part of town.) when your music is played over the airwaves and hyped by a major business and propped up by MTV, there is a certain responsibility you have to take. MCs who continue to rap about these tried-and-true, generic concepts like, "how great i am," "how much weed i smoked yesterday," and "how i fucked all these bitches since i was 13" are going to have to deal with a mad backlash one day. Yes, these are products of our society, but rehashing them in first person boasts does not excuse the perpetuation of sexism and classism... all these MCs do is give fodder to the reactionaries and conservatives who don't understand urban life or hip hop culture, and in that they're doing much more harm without contributing anything but what we've heard before. the whole "gangsta" stereotype has become a caricature that white folks can conveniently ignore. you can be from the hood and rap about things other than weed and St. Ives and having lots of sex. who else better to rap about revolution, injustice and racism? poverty is a serious topic, that is depreciated when surrounded by tracks about how fly my new Benz is, and how all the ladies love my jimmy. ,rj../ ___,">www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1

quoted 4 lines MCs who continue to rap about these tried-and-true,

> MCs who continue to rap about these tried-and-true, > generic concepts like, "how great i am," "how much weed > i smoked yesterday," and "how i fucked all these bitches > since i was 13" are going to have to deal with a mad

...

quoted 7 lines you can be from the hood and rap about things other

> you can be from the hood and rap about things other > than weed and St. Ives and having lots of sex. > who else better to rap about revolution, injustice > and racism? > poverty is a serious topic, that is depreciated when > surrounded by tracks about how fly my new Benz is, > and how all the ladies love my jimmy.

Aw, come on, the Beastie Boys gotta carve their "loved by whitey" niche somehow. I mean, wow, "Root Down", "3 MCs and 1 DJ", the thing with the wiffle ball bat. Woohoo! Free Tibet and party on, dudes!

All this talk of these new Jacks! Man, please, please.............U jokers got be kiddn me! Still ole dude, Eminem can get some props. cuz Dre wouldnt have F'd with him, but ole dude---kid Rocks---(should be kid feather, cuz he's light as one)............. aaaaahhhh hooooooooooo, biters! Quit it! Von-Wayisty!

quoted 29 lines -----Original Message-----

> -----Original Message----- > From: wells [SMTP:s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 9:29 AM > To: ChairCrusher > Cc: Alex Reynolds; idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (idm) mtv, woodstock, and kidrock > > On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, ChairCrusher wrote: > > > I'm not asking you to like either one, but I think your analysis is > wrong. > > Eminem is all about saying what everyone else is too polite or scared to > say, > > and Kid Rock is David Lee Roth with a DJ. Eminem was a battle MC > champion > > before he had a pot to piss in. Kid Rock is a lame wannabe who finally > > figured out how to suck the danger out of Rage against the Machine and > > turn it into a frat boy kegger jam. > > > > Oh, good lord. People are not "too polite" nor "scared" to rap about their > moms smoking pot or songs about why you should or should not nail drunk > sluts at frat parties. Most people just don't _want_ to talk about these > things, because they realize it's quite _stupid_. > > And, by the way, Rage Against the Machine basically is a frat boy kegger > jam. You're kidding yourself with this dangerous nonsense. > > - wells

On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Kelley Hackett wrote:

quoted 7 lines All this talk of these new Jacks!

> All this talk of these new Jacks! > > Man, please, please.............U jokers got be kiddn me! Still ole dude, > Eminem can get some props. cuz Dre wouldnt have F'd with him, but ole > dude---kid Rocks---(should be kid feather, cuz he's light as > one)............. >

you know.. i _want_ to respond, i really do, but i'm still trying to understand your posts. - wells

Go with Your second instinct busta, DONT RESPOND! Hk!

quoted 22 lines -----Original Message-----

> -----Original Message----- > From: wells [SMTP:s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 10:19 AM > To: Kelley Hackett > Cc: 'ChairCrusher'; 'idm@hyperreal.org' > Subject: RE: (idm) mtv, woodstock, and kidrock > > On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Kelley Hackett wrote: > > > All this talk of these new Jacks! > > > > Man, please, please.............U jokers got be kiddn me! Still ole > dude, > > Eminem can get some props. cuz Dre wouldnt have F'd with him, but ole > > dude---kid Rocks---(should be kid feather, cuz he's light as > > one)............. > > > > you know.. i _want_ to respond, i really do, but i'm still trying to > understand your posts. > > - wells

wells wrote:

quoted 10 lines On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Kelley Hackett wrote:

> > On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Kelley Hackett wrote: > > > All this talk of these new Jacks! > > > > Man, please, please.............U jokers got be kiddn me! Still ole dude, > > Eminem can get some props. cuz Dre wouldnt have F'd with him, but ole > > dude---kid Rocks---(should be kid feather, cuz he's light as > > one)............. > >

Ran it through Hk!Decrypt and got this back: ---- So much ado about nothing! Hello ladies and gentlemen. Now, seriously! Next to Kid Rock, Eminem is worthy of at least a little respect- Dr. Dre wouldn't have bothered to produce the Slim Shady LP if it wasn't worthwhile. Kid Rock, on the other hand, is a complete sucker. Signed, Kelley Hackett ---- I would give everybody copies of the program but I'm afraid it's proprietary code that can only run on my machine... Tom

Thats good Tom, real good, can your software package send me your coordinates too! I wanna send U something(and your other host of Merry cornballs & Cowards-----) I hope I get the beautiful chance to meet U cats one day.........I cant wait to see many of ya.....! Hk!

quoted 1 line You know, a diss like that really requires a response. I like eminem a lot,

> You know, a diss like that really requires a response. I like eminem a lot,

the first (& thank god, only) time i heard 'my name is', i almost threw up. this is flamebait at its best, but i honestly don't see much of a difference in song quality between this & cher yawning her 'dgnoo gnoo begnnnneeeev ign nov afnenovafnenovafnenov' ad nauseam as if we cared about her god damned thoughts (i use the word loosely) about love (i use the word loosely). same with eminem, i don't care what your fucking name is, go mc (i use the word loosely) elsewhere, wanker. the airwaves are doomed, cable tv is doomed, welcome on the net. (insert cynical grin here) -- david

On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, david turgeon wrote:

quoted 11 lines You know, a diss like that really requires a response. I like eminem a lot,

> > You know, a diss like that really requires a response. I like eminem a lot, > > the first (& thank god, only) time i heard 'my name is', i almost threw > up. > > this is flamebait at its best, but i honestly don't see much of a > difference in song quality between this & cher yawning her 'dgnoo gnoo > begnnnneeeev ign nov afnenovafnenovafnenov' ad nauseam as if we cared > about her god damned thoughts (i use the word loosely) about love (i use > the word loosely). same with eminem, i don't care what your fucking > name is, go mc (i use the word loosely) elsewhere, wanker.

i dont know.. eminem touches the same spots for me as: south park land of the loops king missle i dont take it as any real social commentary, i laugh a little and i enjoy the beats.. i think if more top 40 pop music was along these lines, i would enjoy sitting in the dentist office or being on hold while on the phone a lot more :) to diverge quite a bit, the new coil cd "musick to play in the dark" has the most amazing little "pop" song on it: "the dreamer is still asleep". it almost reminds me of depeche mode or something.. good, dark, flowing, catching, smooth pop. the best thing since kid rock. chris.

Leave Young Kelly alone! To us in Blighty his use of the Queen's English is exotic and enlightening. The only other place we can hear such language is by tuning in to Reverend Tim Westwood's Rap show on BBC Radio 1 (get well soon Rev. Tim!) PS. Has anyone heard the use of the phrase 'Oh My Gosh!' by Speed Garage MC's in response to a well received disc played by the DJ? I never thought P.G. Wodehouse's influence would extend that deep into club culture. What next, MC Navigator shouting 'What Ho! Jeeves! Spiffing Tune, What?'? --- Tom Millar <tmillar@utkux.utcc.utk.edu> wrote:

quoted 26 lines wells wrote:

> > > wells wrote: > > > Ran it through Hk!Decrypt and got this back: > ---- > So much ado about nothing! > Hello ladies and gentlemen. Now, seriously! Next to > Kid Rock, Eminem is > worthy of at least a little respect- Dr. Dre > wouldn't have bothered to > produce the Slim Shady LP if it wasn't worthwhile. > Kid Rock, on the > other hand, is a complete sucker. > > Signed, > > Kelley Hackett > ---- > > I would give everybody copies of the program but I'm > afraid it's > proprietary code that can only run on my machine... > > Tom >

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this is my last word on this crap. it has nothing to do with idm, so feel free to delete it. my apologies to those not interested in this thread.

quoted 3 lines Date rape, homophobic crank calls, kidnapping.

> >Date rape, homophobic crank calls, kidnapping. > > social commentary, my man. ;-)

social commentary, my ass. ;P

quoted 5 lines cutting throats,

> >cutting throats, > > metaphor, if an mc says 'i'll slit your mother fucking throat worse than > ron goldman' in a battle he's (probably) not gonna chase you off stage with > a butchers knife, he's talking about his 'razor sharp' rhymes.

um, i think he was talking about cutting his ex-wife's throat. so unless he was talking about impressing his former SO with his 'razor sharp' rhymes, he's basically saying 'fuck you, bitch, i'm cutting your throat for leaving me' glorification of violence against women or just well-honed lyrical skills? you decide.

quoted 4 lines what would be the point of that? if aphex twins entire audience was PWT

> what would be the point of that? if aphex twins entire audience was PWT > (which it probably is, btw ;-) ) how should that be used to discredit his > music. i agree with your previous RATM comments, but to say this is a > valid reason not to like the music is just wrong.

you're comparing apples and oranges. RATM's "music" is about political content. your average RATM concert attendee is likely to fall in a higher tax bracket than most. it seems to me the "music" is shit if the message is hypocritical. AT isn't trying to get across a political message. or if he is, it is somewhere along the lines of legalizing any and every controlled substance known to man, or at least it should be. <g> people going to an aphex show aren't spewing trotsky one-liners at each other whilst drinking budweisers and smoking marlboros, and wondering whether daddy will lend them the credit card when they go to jamaica next week. if they are, please introduce them to me so I can tag along. -alex

quoted 4 lines Leave Young Kelly alone! To us in Blighty his use of the Queen's

> Leave Young Kelly alone! To us in Blighty his use of the Queen's > English is exotic and enlightening. The only other place we can hear > such language is by tuning in to Reverend Tim Westwood's Rap show on > BBC Radio 1 (get well soon Rev. Tim!)

Hey, if I didn't enjoy Hk! so much, I wouldn't have bothered. Nobody I know talks like that either. Talk about wanting to actually meet some of these cats- I just sit here sometimes and wonder what kind of hair you people have.

quoted 5 lines PS. Has anyone heard the use of the phrase 'Oh My Gosh!' by Speed

> PS. Has anyone heard the use of the phrase 'Oh My Gosh!' by Speed > Garage MC's in response to a well received disc played by the DJ? I > never thought P.G. Wodehouse's influence would extend that deep into > club culture. What next, MC Navigator shouting 'What Ho! Jeeves! > Spiffing Tune, What?'?

I have a track on Instinct's "King Of The Jungle Vol.1 (20 Bass Bumpin' Jungle Phatties!)" that has some ragga MC rhyming about having nothing to do on a Friday night or some such (heavy empathy from my Knoxville boys for that sentiment) and he says "Oh My Gosh" in a truly impassioned manner every time the beat breaks. One of my all time faves... Tom

quoted 2 lines PS. Has anyone heard the use of the phrase 'Oh My Gosh!' by Speed

>PS. Has anyone heard the use of the phrase 'Oh My Gosh!' by Speed >Garage MC's in response to a well received disc played by the DJ?

Yeah I have heard this, they used to use it on Kool FM in London a few years back.. alone with 'Big up ya chest', and if it was a particualy good selection then it would be 'big up ya hairy chest' That always used to bring a smile to my face... infact I have some choice Pirate talk on tape at home... I will stick it up on the web i think!

On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 daniell@demon.net wrote:

quoted 6 lines Yeah I have heard this, they used to use it on Kool FM in London a few years

> Yeah I have heard this, they used to use it on Kool FM in London a few years > back.. alone with 'Big up ya chest', and if it was a particualy good > selection then it would be 'big up ya hairy chest' > > That always used to bring a smile to my face... infact I have some choice > Pirate talk on tape at home... I will stick it up on the web i think!

while we're on the subject of Pirate/jungle mc talk... Are there any UK IDM'ers out there who've got tapes of Pirate radio circa 94-96 (you know before the 2 step (blah) thing kicked in?) that would be willing to do some sort of trade? thanx, Howie

Ok Mister Hackett, I will meet you for a jam scone. I would see you at the Big Chill, but I cant get a ticket now... bugger!... but I will meet you in London. Dan. (busy working on a voice translation version of the HK! software...) -----Original Message----- From: Kelley Hackett [mailto:khackett@aba.iupui.edu] Sent: 27 July 1999 17:41 To: 'tmillar@utkux.utcc.utk.edu' Cc: 'daniell@demon.net' Subject: RE: (idm) mtv, woodstock, and kidrock Okay, let me talk normal for a second and show U IDM ers who the True Coward is.............. Well Tim and Daniel I am gonna be in the UK next week(LONDON and MANCHESTER ), I think I am about to pull your hoe card, let us meet up shall we............U name the place and please be there, for the rest of the IDM people are watching, and if U dont show ---ha ha ha I have proved my point with all of my weird ways of saying things. That U cats aint nothing but COWARD -ass Maggots! Place and time now boys, and cc the list, so they can all C..........where is the IDM content of it all.....oh, I am gonna do some remixing of David Morely's Calibration Hk! We are meeting for Tea, thats all tea!

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> -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Millar [SMTP:tmillar@utkux.utcc.utk.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 11:24 AM > To: drift wood > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: (idm) mtv, woodstock, and kidrock > > > > Leave Young Kelly alone! To us in Blighty his use of the Queen's > > English is exotic and enlightening. The only other place we can hear > > such language is by tuning in to Reverend Tim Westwood's Rap show on > > BBC Radio 1 (get well soon Rev. Tim!) > > Hey, if I didn't enjoy Hk! so much, I wouldn't have bothered. Nobody I > know talks like that either. Talk about wanting to actually meet some of > these cats- I just sit here sometimes and wonder what kind of hair you > people have. > > > > PS. Has anyone heard the use of the phrase 'Oh My Gosh!' by Speed > > Garage MC's in response to a well received disc played by the DJ? I > > never thought P.G. Wodehouse's influence would extend that deep into > > club culture. What next, MC Navigator shouting 'What Ho! Jeeves! > > Spiffing Tune, What?'? > > I have a track on Instinct's "King Of The Jungle Vol.1 (20 Bass Bumpin' > Jungle Phatties!)" that has some ragga MC rhyming about having nothing > to do on a Friday night or some such (heavy empathy from my Knoxville > boys for that sentiment) and he says "Oh My Gosh" in a truly impassioned > manner every time the beat breaks. One of my all time faves... > > Tom

Cool, can I call U so we can meet, by the way what type of tea do U like

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> -----Original Message----- > From: daniell@demon.net [SMTP:daniell@demon.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 11:41 AM > To: khackett@aba.iupui.edu > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (idm) mtv, woodstock, and kidrock > > Ok Mister Hackett, > > I will meet you for a jam scone. > > I would see you at the Big Chill, but I cant get a ticket now... > bugger!... > but I will meet you in London. > > Dan. > > (busy working on a voice translation version of the HK! software...) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelley Hackett [mailto:khackett@aba.iupui.edu] > Sent: 27 July 1999 17:41 > To: 'tmillar@utkux.utcc.utk.edu' > Cc: 'daniell@demon.net' > Subject: RE: (idm) mtv, woodstock, and kidrock > > > Okay, let me talk normal for a second and show U IDM ers who the True > Coward > is.............. > > Well Tim and Daniel I am gonna be in the UK next week(LONDON and > MANCHESTER > ), I think I am about to pull your hoe card, let us meet up shall > we............U name the place and please be there, for the rest of the > IDM > people are watching, and if U dont show ---ha ha ha I have proved my point > with all of my weird ways of saying things. That U cats aint nothing but > COWARD -ass Maggots! > > Place and time now boys, and cc the list, so they can all C..........where > is the IDM content of it all.....oh, I am gonna do some remixing of David > Morely's Calibration > > Hk! > > We are meeting for Tea, thats all tea! > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Millar [SMTP:tmillar@utkux.utcc.utk.edu] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 11:24 AM > > To: drift wood > > Cc: idm@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: (idm) mtv, woodstock, and kidrock > > > > > > > Leave Young Kelly alone! To us in Blighty his use of the Queen's > > > English is exotic and enlightening. The only other place we can hear > > > such language is by tuning in to Reverend Tim Westwood's Rap show on > > > BBC Radio 1 (get well soon Rev. Tim!) > > > > Hey, if I didn't enjoy Hk! so much, I wouldn't have bothered. Nobody I > > know talks like that either. Talk about wanting to actually meet some of > > these cats- I just sit here sometimes and wonder what kind of hair you > > people have. > > > > > > > PS. Has anyone heard the use of the phrase 'Oh My Gosh!' by Speed > > > Garage MC's in response to a well received disc played by the DJ? I > > > never thought P.G. Wodehouse's influence would extend that deep into > > > club culture. What next, MC Navigator shouting 'What Ho! Jeeves! > > > Spiffing Tune, What?'? > > > > I have a track on Instinct's "King Of The Jungle Vol.1 (20 Bass Bumpin' > > Jungle Phatties!)" that has some ragga MC rhyming about having nothing > > to do on a Friday night or some such (heavy empathy from my Knoxville > > boys for that sentiment) and he says "Oh My Gosh" in a truly impassioned > > manner every time the beat breaks. One of my all time faves... > > > > Tom