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We have recently experienced many threads describing what idm music people on idm list like, prefer to listen, would take with them on desert isladn and so on. I have another question which furrows my mind. What other types, styles, variations of music idm people like, listen, etc. In other words I would propose to make top ten list of non idm music you like. Or maybe just list of styles which gets on with idm in your hearts. To start with (and maybe finish if none supports the idea) I propose my lists of styles and artists on the subject: Top non-idm 10 (no order): 1. Dub (Scorn, Bill Laswell), 2. Guitar (Praxis, Sol Invictus, Death Cube K), 3. Death metal (Napalm Death, My Dying Bride, Anathema), 4. Goa (Kox Box, Infinity Project) 5. Drum'n'bass (Animals on Wheels, Plug, Amon Tobin) 6. Jazz (Red Snapper, Funki Porchini) 7. Ambient (Brian Eno, Robert Rich, Lustmord, Rapoon) 8. Detroit (Holy Ghost, Christian Vogel, Neil Landstrumm) 9. Industrial (Ministry, Godflesh, Techno Animal) 10. Just Ninja (Irresistable Force, DJ Vadim, Neotropic, Coldcut) Of course, I admit that idm style (and any styles) is very blurred at the edges and my opinion on some non-idm artists may differ with yours. I would really like to see what you all like. Alien

My top five non-IDM genre-type things: 1. Tricky/Massive Attack 1. Sonic Youth 1. Hip Hop 4. Roy Orbison 4. Shitty but nonetheless fun pop BTW, I include Ninja Tune, Pork, Coil, jungle, and illbient in with IDM. _________________________________ Adam Roesch / roesch@augsburg.edu University of Idaho / Moscow / ID / USA Visit my Fila Brazillia/Pork Recordings fan site: http://dogbert.augsburg.edu/~roesch/pork/ "Because success needs killing" TRICKY

On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Konstantin Minko wrote: Re: (idm) Not IDM in idm land.

quoted 3 lines edges and my opinion on some non-idm artists may differ with yours.

> edges and my opinion on some non-idm artists may differ with yours. > > I would really like to see what you all like.

I listen to my vinyl record collection pretty evenly by the amount I have, except I have been listenning to much less reggae and new wave and more zydeco and radio/spokenword than this suggests: Solenoid's vinyl record collection breakdown -------------------------------------------- 300 - 78-86 newwave/romo/darkwave - if it has a synth i have/had/know it 90 - IDM - good stuff, no crap 90 - spoken word/readings by authors - caedmon label of 60's-70's 80 - 70's funk (barkays, brown, p/funk, stax) 80 - sound effects and ambiences 80 - bebop - coltrane, henderson, mulligan, brubeck, mingus 80 - kids recs (cartoon, tv show, a few disney) 60 - breakbeat/hip-hop-derivative-breaks 60 - pop vocalists from 40's thru 70's (sinatra, lee, etc) 70 - "tiki/lounge" - "island jazz", lyman, denney 70 - 70's dub - linval thompson, scientist, black ark, DUB 70 - electro - kraftwerk, twilight 22, early electro 70 - 70's abstract jazz/+ fusion (davis, weather r, roswell rudd, roach) 50 - ambient - eno, sky label, laraaji, etc 50 - weird electronic - beyond idm - mostly nonrhythmic mus concrete 50 - straight techno + detroit techno and minimal 4/4 non-shuffle 50 - early jazz - django, goodman, armstrong 40 - Academic electronics - Cage, Stockhausen, Xenakis, Ussachevsky(sp?) 40 - rap - hip-hop - breaks/scratch 40 - c&w - Tennessee E Ford, J Cash, Horton, merle h, buck owens, glenc 40 - radio drama programs from 30's thru 50's 40 - house - acid house - chicago trax 40 - soundtracks - outland, exorcist, liq sky, etc 20 - old punk - sham 69, 999, buzzcocks, magazine, etc etc 30 - leg pink dots 20 - ska - trojan, early studio 1 - desmond dekker, etc 20 - reggae - burning spear, black uhuru, you know--the good stuff.. 20 - trad. India - ali akbar khan, ravi, etc 20 - the fall 30 - 80's industrial - swans, frontline a, feotus 30 - American noise - Psyclones, Yeast Culture, Crawl Unit, arch office 10 - Japanese noise - Merzbow, Masonna, Gov't Alpha 30 - mellow weird post-punk - soft verdict, penguin cafe orch 20 - durutti column 20 - thelonious monk 20 - latin big band (perez prado mostly) 20 - psyche/garage, turtles, lemon pipers, 13th floor elev 30 - motown, aretha, supremes, gaye, etc 25 - Bali, gamelan, Ceylonese 30 - trad. Japanese musicks 5 - 90's r&b 10 - African trad music 10 - modern african music (fela kuti!) 5 - chinese operas 30 - Sesame Str 15 - peggy lee 10 - bent fabric 5 - Louisianna Zydeco - Queen Ida, Clifton Chartier (excellent) 1 - musical The Sound of Music hmm, no Goa-trance, no klezmer, and I'm not listing a bunch of one-of's like trad finnish music, trad this and that, kazoo orchestra, etc Solenoid

At 10:25 AM 7/16/99 +0300, Konstantin Minko wrote:

quoted 1 line Top non-idm 10 (no order):

>Top non-idm 10 (no order):

1. Loads of hip hop (The Roots, Native Tounges, Hiero, Gangstarr, Nas' first record, Dungeon Fam, Project Blowed, Outsidaz, Supafriendz, Quannum, Pete Rock & CL, BDP, Rakim, two wu albums, some of the rawkus NY indie stuff) 2. tones/glitchy shit/noise (mego, ikeda, raster, etc... sorry, i just don't consider this idm, maybe just 'i') 3. old school Funk/Soul Stuffs (Issac Hayes, Stevie Wonder, James Brown) 4. Jazz (davis, coltrane) 5. Industrial (Mainly WS stuff- coil, NWW, etc.) 6. Prince 7. Some of that so-called 'neo-classic-soul'(worse genre name since idm, btw) stuff (mainly just D'Angelo, occasionally Badu, that new Macy Gray chick sounds pretty nice, tho) 8. a little bit of wack r&b with Timbaland beats 9. Mr. Bungle/Secret Chiefs/Patton (not FNM, tho) 10. um... probably that early academic electronic shit (Parmegiani, stockhausen, Xenakis, etc.) only recently discovered thanks to a certain list members hotline server....

let's go a bit further afield... 1. jazz - miles davis 2. early music - group: atrium musicae de madrid 3. vocal - mel torme or joe williams (bad year for me...for many fans...sigh) 4. folk/pop - jane siberry 5. folk/rock - alan stivell of course this changes every so often... m -- the foundry realaudio samples via: http://www.foundrysite.com/sounds1.html out now... eM <the motor sessions ep> (lmtd. 7"/lmtd. cdr) the foundry <mote> (cd) coming soon... eM remix on <knots> issued on thousand/wmo [out 8/10/99] http://wiremailorder.com/thousand/knots.htm

On 16 Jul 99, m wrote re: Re: (idm) Not IDM in idm land.:

quoted 1 line 5. folk/rock - alan stivell

> 5. folk/rock - alan stivell

GOOD GOD!!!!! Never did I expect to this *this* name pop up here in IDM-land :-) Wow, let me recover from that surprise ... Hey, I met him in France after collecting his stuff here in South Africa and in true groupie-style followed him (and the Bagad Beimor who were his backing musicians) around various Fest-Noz and concerts in Brittany and also at the Edinburgh Folk Festival. And even stranger, one of his early albums (which I've had for years) was produced by a Cape Town retail marketing guy ... {{erm, cough, sorry for that gibbering outpour; I'll stop now}} I * np : Pan American (Kranky)

quoted 19 lines In other words I would propose to make top ten list of non idm music you

> > > In other words I would propose to make top ten list of non idm music you > > like. Or maybe just list of styles which gets on with idm in > your hearts. > > In this order: > 1. Weezer (both albums) > 2. Baroque (Pachelbel and Vivaldi, some Bach) > 3. Other classical (Beethoven, Haydn) > 4. Jazz (the pianists - Brubeck and Basie) > 5. The alternative stuff they play on the radio around here > 6. Some rap (DMX, Sporty Thievez, some No Limit - only when the > absurdity > level is low, which is rather rare) > 7. Um, metal I guess you'd call it (Sepultura, Helmet) > > > 6. Jazz (Red Snapper, Funki Porchini) > > Do either of these count as jazz? Ah, who cares...

These are closest to jazz formations I can bear. 8)

quoted 1 line --Geoff

> --Geoff

Alien np. Neotropic - Mr. Brubakers Strawberry Alarm Clock

Well, I know it's a bit late but I've JUST gotten back from overseas so here's a few Raven suggestions for cool non-idm stuff currently rocking my world: 1) John Zorn and Tzadik-label type "Radical Jewish Culture". Other groups include: Masada/Bar Kokhba (John Zorn really); Dave Krakauer and Klezmer Madness; Naftule's Dream/Shirim; Uri Caine, especially the Primal Light CD on Winter & Winter; Dave Douglas (principally for "Charms of the Night Sky, on Winter & Winter); Hasidic New Wave; Klezmatics; ...and the list could go on so I'll leave it at that smattering... 2) Tom Waits; 3) Pop Will Eat Itself; 4) Massive Attack; 5) Bratsch, a French gypsy hot club/klezmer group; 6) Nick Cave - especially earlier stuff; 7) Some (other) Australian bands worth mentioning: Not Drowning Waving/My Friend the Chocolate Cake; The Clouds; the Triffids; the Whitlams; etc etc etc.... 8) How about some classical composers: Stravinsky, Ravel, Debussy, Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Schubert (chamber music), and on and on... [Speaking of Debussy, what does everyone think of the new Art of Noise album? It's so cheesy I feel like I ought to hate it but I just can't - I've listened to it so much since I got the promo in London, and I love it...] 9) And of other pop/rock artists, notable are: Beastie Boys; Bjork (fuck off Wells *grin*); Tori Amos; The Pixies; They Might Be Giants; early/mid Depeche Mode; early/mid Cure; The Smiths; Sisters of Mercy; etc... Ahem I'd better stop there I think! btw, I consider Ninja Tune etc to be part of idm, and even perhaps drum'n'bass along the lines of Arcon 2 and Dom & Roland, who I think are both brilliant.... I also consider the more experimental electronic stuff like Mego (especially Fennesz, Farmers Manual and General Magic), Matmos and Lesser and so on to be idm. Sorry, I haven't read most of the responses to this post yet, so I hope there's not too much redundancy. -- Peter Hollo raven@fourplay.com.au http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet http://www.fourplay.com.au Raven: experimental electronic http://www.fourplay.com.au/sound.html "Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag.