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quoted 3 lines Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:10:00 -0400

>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:10:00 -0400 >From: "Chris.Hilker" <cspot@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: (idm) Autechre on compilation

quoted 2 lines I saw a compilation featuring an Autechre track called "Chatter". Anyone

>>I saw a compilation featuring an Autechre track called "Chatter". Anyone >>know what it was, if its worth getting?....

quoted 2 lines This would be Artificial Intelligence II. Not worth getting, aside from

>This would be Artificial Intelligence II. Not worth getting, aside from >the Global Communication track.

WHAT!!??!? AI2 among the very few "if you don't have this, you are not living yet." IDM records/cd's. (imho anyway, this is probably one of the greatest comps ever released) Anyway, AI2 isn't really worth getting for Chatter IMO.. but it's worth getting for at least 6-7 other tracks on there :) __ __\ \ / /_\ \ 1cQ<->uIN \_____/ 1.3777993 "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron

quoted 3 lines WHAT!!??!? AI2 among the very few "if you don't have this, you are not

> > WHAT!!??!? AI2 among the very few "if you don't have this, you are not > living yet." IDM records/cd's.

What would the others be? All opinions welcome...

On Wednesday, 12-Aug-98, lauger@prc-wwwdevel.idap.indiana.edu wrote [about Re: (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #274]:

quoted 3 lines WHAT!!??!? AI2 among the very few "if you don't have this, you are not

>> >> WHAT!!??!? AI2 among the very few "if you don't have this, you are not >> living yet." IDM records/cd's.

quoted 1 line What would the others be? All opinions welcome...

>What would the others be? All opinions welcome...

Well, IMHO one can go without owning the Blech CD, but NOT without the Blech casette. Aphex's Selected Ambient Works 85-92, Analogue Bubblebath 1, Autechre's Incunabula, Amber.. stuff like that, also the Gescom 1 EP. Note that these are the classic MUST HAVE's so of course stuff like SKAM8 or MAS stuff isn't here.. but of course a lot of that is must-have as well :) __ __\ \ / /_\ \ 1cQ<->uIN \_____/ 1.3777993 "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron

On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:57:46 -0400 (EDT), <lauger@prc-wwwdevel.idap.indiana.edu> said:

quoted 6 lines WHAT!!??!? AI2 among the very few "if you don't have this, you are not

>> >> WHAT!!??!? AI2 among the very few "if you don't have this, you are not >> living yet." IDM records/cd's. > >What would the others be? All opinions welcome... >

saw85-92 hab: mapod as one: interplanetary folklore ferox: adventures in techno soul ian obrien: desert scores basic channel comp monolake: hongkong bochum welt: kromode depth charge 1 andre esterman: DEX solvent: solvent as always, your mileage may vary. NP: I-F vs that nigger peeeeeeeeeceout, -- Jeff Davis pHlow@earthlink.net P:518.475.5042 F:518.475.5657 pHlow.linx: http://home.earthlink.net/~phlow/ Bochum Welt: http://www.bochumwelt.com Rotator Locator http://hyperreal.org/music/rotator/

On 14 Aug 98, Jeff Davis wrote re: Re: (idm) Re: idm-digest V2 #274:

quoted 1 line ferox: adventures in techno soul

> ferox: adventures in techno soul

I want this I want this I want this. Who's prepared to tape-trade? Pretty please? I *

quoted 2 lines WHAT!!??!? AI2 among the very few "if you don't have this, you are not

>WHAT!!??!? AI2 among the very few "if you don't have this, you are not >living yet." IDM records/cd's.

OK let's do it track by track: 01 Mark Franklin: Release to the System (Beaumont Hannant Remix) Beau can be good but he sometimes makes the mistake of building a track around a crap bassline. He makes this mistake here. (And also on "The Hunted" from Tastes & Textures V2.) He also forgets to build up any tension or interest. By the time the stupid sample of the woman comes in I feel like the kid at the Krustyburger dedication: "stop it, he's already dead!" This is a recurring theme here - too many tracks on this comp poop out and run out of ideas halfway through and don't know when to quit. 02 The Higher Intelligence Agency: Selenite This might be something if it wasn't based around a sample from "Steel Tabernacle" by Sandoz. Guys, if you're gonna rip a sample that hugely, you've gotta make a track better than the one you're sampling, or it's a joke. The Sandoz track totally smokes this. Why didn't Warp license that track from Touch and kill this and the Richard Kirk track they did put on? 03 Link: Arcadian (Global Communication Remix) This is brilliant of course. Mark & Tom ruled the earth in 1994 and this makes everything else on the comp look bad. Great melody, super production, excellent structure, flawless transitions, impeccable rhythm track - and this isn't even as good as some other tracks they did around then. 04 B12: Scriptures This is a very good track but I already had it on Volume 8 so I never give Warp much credit for putting it on AI2. Which I guess isn't completely fair* so you can take this as recommended. Still, hardly a track that'll change your life or cure you of being a zombie or whatever "if you don't have this, you are not living yet" means. And it's also on Time Tourist. * Volume 8 is probably out of print but I think it's a better IDM comp than AI2 - it has "Scriptures," a live Sun Electric track, a live HIA track (without any Sandoz samples), an exclusive Autechre track better than "Chatter," and another Global Communication cut. And the Butthole Surfers! 05 Autechre: Chatter A good but not great track. I'd compare it unfavorably to Orbital's "Semi Detached" - the structure is similar but the production isn't as good and Autechre can't write a good tune to hold it all together. 06 Speedy J: Symmetry I think something crawled into this track and died. Irene, are you still looking for music that'll make people fall asleep? Goes nowhere for six minutes and it seems like at least twelve. Worst track on the comp which is like being the worst Police Academy movie or something. 07 Beaumont Hannant: Utuba This is much better than the Franklin remix but it's still far from great. The transitions could be much stronger, as could the arrangement in general. That "electricity" sound gets tiresome by the end. 08 Richard H Kirk: Reality Net An outtake from Virtual State, presumably. Takes forever to go anywhere, like most of the tracks on this comp. Annoying two-note thingy that just keeps repeating over and over way too high in the mix pretty much kills it. 09 Balil: Parasight Why put the worst track from the EP on? "Island" is about a thousand times better and if AI2 had that and the Link track it'd be unqualifiably recommendable just for those alone. Instead we get this little four to the floor acid stomper. We all know BDP could (and did, and does) do much better than this, regularly. That said, it's still better than everything here except maybe "Scriptures." 10 Seefeel: Spangle A nice enough track. Not really that different structurally from the rest of the comp but it has distinctive sounds that really set it apart and I think Seefeel are doing a drony thing intentionally instead of just repeating the same stuff over and over because they can't think of anything else. That said, it ain't zombie vaccine. 11 Darrel Fitton: Blipsalt The first four minutes are a nice slow build, then Mr Fitton loses the plot a bit with a percussion section that overstays its welcome, then going back to more of the same from the first four minutes with no payoff. Maybe I'm crazy but if you build up a track with as much nuance and as light a touch as Darrel does for the beginning of this one, it's a huge letdown if you get to the end of the build and there's nothing but more of the same - hit me with more! If all you've got's a little random bleepy bit, save that for the end of the build and make the track a little bit shorter and at least you've got *something* more than another unexciting track on an unexciting comp. 12 Polygon Window: My Teapot If you're the sort of person who thinks that tracks that aren't in 4/4 are really super innovative and complicated and avant garde then I guess you'll shit your shorts over this but there's not much to it at all. A quiet crunchy rhythm and a mescaline calliope and it's a bit more thoughtful than RDJ's usual wankery but it sure as hell ain't zombie serum. At least it gets to the point and doesn't go on and on. 13 Kenny Larkin: Maritime Warp must've made the same deal with Kenny that they did with Richard Kirk: give us an album and whatever track you might have lying around for our next compilation. This sounds like the Knight Rider theme or something. That isn't good, in case you're wondering. Not at all up to Larkin's usual standard, it's still better than most of the tracks on this compilation, which says a lot. You'll still be hungry for brains after listening to it, though. Way too long; par for this course. SUPER SECRET HIDDEN TRACK! by Scanner A couple of morons talk about going to an En Vogue concert, with some "dark" ambient bits in the background.

quoted 2 lines Anyway, AI2 isn't really worth getting for Chatter IMO.. but it's worth

>Anyway, AI2 isn't really worth getting for Chatter IMO.. but it's worth >getting for at least 6-7 other tracks on there :)

Overall I really can't see how anyone could rate this as anything better than mediocre. There are three or four tracks that I put in the "I never want to hear this track again" category the first time I listened to it, and right now I'm a little pissed off that I listened to them again writing this post. The GC track almost saves the comp but even Tom and Mark's superhuman abilities in this timeframe had their limits (that Speedy J track is kryptonite!). I would really love to hear which 6 or 7 tracks you think this is worth getting for. C. -- Chris.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.org)

On 13 Aug 98, Chris.Hilker wrote re: (idm) AI2 (was Re: idm-digest V2 #2:

quoted 2 lines Irene, are you still

> Irene, are you still > looking for music that'll make people fall asleep?

Hey Chris :-) Thanks for remembering. Yip : finished the comp - funnily enough Seefeel's Spangle (off AI2) made it onto the tape.

quoted 1 line zombie vaccine.

> zombie vaccine.

Great description. I'll remember that - who knows when it'll come in handy. Btw, I think the cover of AI2 is a bit of a give-away as regards the contents. Mystified? Well, check those smokerings rising from that lushly lysergic landscape. Hmmm. I *

Interesting that those crazy Mixing It fellows on Radio 3 picked 'My Teapot' as the track to play from AI2 when it came out. Sounds like Richard having a laugh to me. adam

On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:34:18 +0100, you wrote:

quoted 2 lines Interesting that those crazy Mixing It fellows on Radio 3 picked 'My

>Interesting that those crazy Mixing It fellows on Radio 3 picked 'My >Teapot' as the track to play from AI2 when it came out.

Glad to see someone else who listens to Mixing It. I dare say 99% of UK IDMers know nothing about it, but it's turned up some marvellous treats, such as the FSOL interview/session hybrid and Graham Massey/Graham Clarke and Lamb gig from Manchester. Autechre, Scanner, Squarepusher, Aphex Twin, Boards of Canada, etc. They've all been featured. /\/)ark http://www.sonance.demon.co.uk/

On 13 August 1998 09:47, Chris.Hilker wrote:

quoted 4 lines WHAT!!??!? AI2 among the very few "if you don't have this, you are not

> >WHAT!!??!? AI2 among the very few "if you don't have this, you are not > >living yet." IDM records/cd's. > > OK let's do it track by track:

What about WAP100? This should have been stunning. I think it turned out fairly average.

quoted 3 lines Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 04:47:40 -0400

>Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 04:47:40 -0400 >From: "Chris.Hilker" <cspot@hyperreal.org> >Subject: (idm) AI2 (was Re: idm-digest V2 #274)

quoted 2 lines WHAT!!??!? AI2 among the very few "if you don't have this, you are not

>>WHAT!!??!? AI2 among the very few "if you don't have this, you are not >>living yet." IDM records/cd's.

quoted 5 lines This is a very good track but I already had it on Volume 8 so I never give

>This is a very good track but I already had it on Volume 8 so I never give >Warp much credit for putting it on AI2. Which I guess isn't completely >fair* so you can take this as recommended. Still, hardly a track that'll >change your life or cure you of being a zombie or whatever "if you don't >have this, you are not living yet" means. And it's also on Time Tourist.

hm.. I think Time Tourist is rather mediocre and perhaps even crappy :) I wanted a track from the Blech cassette on vinyl, made a big goofoff and got the wrong record, and was insanely dissapointed. (anyone who wants it, my copy is yours :) for a suitable price) but, that aside. We definitely are on opposite sides of the map when it comes to this, as I think the Speedy J. track is one of the best IDM tracks of all time, and well. You think it's utter shit.

quoted 6 lines If you're the sort of person who thinks that tracks that aren't in 4/4 are

>If you're the sort of person who thinks that tracks that aren't in 4/4 are >really super innovative and complicated and avant garde then I guess you'll >shit your shorts over this but there's not much to it at all. A quiet >crunchy rhythm and a mescaline calliope and it's a bit more thoughtful than >RDJ's usual wankery but it sure as hell ain't zombie serum. At least it >gets to the point and doesn't go on and on.

This track is in 4/4 what are you talking about? It has a definite thing going on in each of 4 beats per 4 beat measure.

quoted 3 lines I

>I >would really love to hear which 6 or 7 tracks you think this is worth getting >for.

01 Mark Franklin: Release to the System (Beaumont Hannant Remix) 02 The Higher Intelligence Agency: Selenite 03 Link: Arcadian (Global Communication Remix) 04 B12: Scriptures 06 Speedy J: Symmetry 07 Beaumont Hannant: Utuba 09 Balil: Parasight 10 Seefeel: Spangle 11 Darrel Fitton: Blipsalt 12 Polygon Window: My Teapot __ __\ \ / /_\ \ 1cQ<->uIN \_____/ 1.3777993 "..in whatever you do, if you can't break new ground, what's the point?" - James Cameron

On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 09:48:25 EST4EDT, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines hm.. I think Time Tourist is rather mediocre and perhaps even crappy :) I

>hm.. I think Time Tourist is rather mediocre and perhaps even crappy :) I >wanted a track from the Blech cassette on vinyl, made a big goofoff and got >the wrong record, and was insanely dissapointed.

Time Tourist was certainly a disappointment, although there were a couple of decent tracks there. Electro-Soma still beats it into the ground though. Still, if Time Tourist destroyed your faith in B12, you may like to try their recent '3ep' on Warp. Lots of new sound textures (everything up until Time Tourist sounded very samey), a more energetic pace, etc. Certainly an interesting change in style for them -- almost completely unrecognisable (especially the third track, 'Ron Carter'). I do hope a new B12 album is waiting round the corner. /\/)ark http://www.sonance.demon.co.uk/

"Chris.Hilker" <cspot@hyperreal.org> writes: > >WHAT!!??!? AI2 among the very few "if you don't have this, you are not > >living yet." IDM records/cd's. > > OK let's do it track by track: > [deleted] > > SUPER SECRET HIDDEN TRACK! by Scanner > > A couple of morons talk about going to an En Vogue concert, with some "dark" > ambient bits in the background. The dialog on this track is wonderful and very funny (in a sad way): a (female) prostitute and (male) potential client talking; he asks her what sexy clothes she has, and is really unimpressed by her answer (short skirts, suspenders, nurse's uniform); nevertheless he decides to meet her, at which point she says "I only stay for an hour" (which is when we realise that this isn't just a pre-blind date flirtation). -- Richard

Chris.Hilker wrote: <track-by-track deconstruction of AI-II cut. Completely ;)> Well first of all I ought to point out that the tracklisting Chris gave is for the double CD version which is as out of print now as Volume 8 is... The last track on the single CD version (still available) is the Seefeel one. Secondly, gotta disagree man, sorry. It's a good comp, worth it completely for a few of the tracks... I personally think that "Spangle" is the best thing of Seefeel that I know. Totally gorgeous, slowly building, with "spangly" sounding organ, and great vocal samples. The Autechre is good, but I guess not superb, the Link track is indeed fantastic... I like the Beaumont Hannant one... OK so some of Chris's criticism is reasonable but I still think the album *is* worth it, if not for the Autechre then for the Seefeel and Link tracks. Peter. -- Peter Hollo raven@fourplay.com.au http://www.fourplay.com.au/me.html FourPlay - Eclectic Electric String Quartet http://www.fourplay.com.au "Of course, dance music can be a music where you lie on your back and your brain cells dance" -Michael Karoli of Can, quoted in Wire mag.

WARD Giles wrote:

quoted 2 lines What about WAP100? This should have been stunning. I think it turned out

> What about WAP100? This should have been stunning. I think it turned out > fairly average.

Quite a strange comp. Has Richard James contributing to the first track I've heard from him in two years that didn't have me reaching for my sickbucket, a really, um, pleasant BOC track, some good "bad craziness" from Broadcast, an obvious Autechre leftover, an awesomely bad string of lame-ass loungey triphop tracks in the middle (the Plone track is especially weak -- and these guys are a new signing?!?) a Mira Calix track with a _really_ dopey drum sound, decent but unremarkable dancefloor techno from Mark Bell & 2 Lone Swordsmen... -d.w. on now: Balil "Island" (thanks for the reminder, Chris)

On 13 August 1998 15:37, Dave Walker wrote:

quoted 3 lines WARD Giles wrote:

> WARD Giles wrote: > > > What about WAP100? This should have been stunning. I think it turned

out

quoted 5 lines fairly average.

> > fairly average. > > Quite a strange comp. Has Richard James contributing to the first track > I've heard from him in two years that didn't have me reaching for my > sickbucket, a really, um, pleasant BOC track, some good "bad craziness"

from

quoted 6 lines Broadcast, an obvious Autechre leftover, an awesomely bad string

> Broadcast, an obvious Autechre leftover, an awesomely bad string > of lame-ass loungey triphop tracks in the middle (the Plone track is > especially weak -- and these guys are a new signing?!?) > a Mira Calix track with a _really_ dopey > drum sound, decent but unremarkable dancefloor techno > from Mark Bell & 2 Lone Swordsmen...

Compilations like these are potential 'adverts' for getting people to hear new artists, so you'd think they'd put decent tracks on. This was my first taste of Mira Calix, and it does sound rather weak - R8 with a few Ae sounds which goes nowhere. Broadcast was ok - quite surprising stuff for Warp I think. I wish BoC would do something shocking - they're good, but never surprise me.

On Thu, 13 Aug 1998, WARD Giles wrote:

quoted 2 lines I wish BoC would do something shocking - they're good, but never

> I wish BoC would do something shocking - they're good, but never > surprise me.

i think a Boards of Canada collaboration with Land of the Loops would be really neat (no joke -- somehow i think it would work out brilliantly). chris. __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ [*<n/ff> <=rr*/a|>r] - wednesdays 7-8 pm riders of the plastic groove - fridays 9-midnight kuci 88.9fm po box 4362 irvine ca 92616 -:.:'-"-':_/'"'"\_|'\-"-':_/_|'\_|'\_/'"'_/'"'"\_.:'-".:'-"'"'_/'"'_//'"'"