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i am convinced that klf's chill out is _the_ best ambient record ever produced. but i've heard rumors that it was written mainly by alex paterson. anyone have any information on this? ta ta. - wells oliver / s0ewoliv@titan.vcu.edu / http://mute.simplenet.com

On Wed, Aug 05, 1998 at 02:11:23AM -0400, wells wrote:

quoted 5 lines i am convinced that klf's chill out is _the_ best ambient record ever

> i am convinced that klf's chill out is _the_ best ambient record ever > produced. > > but i've heard rumors that it was written mainly by alex paterson. >

Not sure about 'mainly' but he was definitely involved and I think there was a bit of a dispute about the extent. adam

quoted 5 lines On Wed, Aug 05, 1998 at 02:11:23AM -0400, wells wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 05, 1998 at 02:11:23AM -0400, wells wrote: > > i am convinced that klf's chill out is _the_ best ambient record ever > > produced. > > > > but i've heard rumors that it was written mainly by alex paterson.

"chill out"'s precursor, "space," was made by jimmy cauty and alex paterson. "chill out" is jimmy cauty and bill drummond. lazlo's discog doesn't list production credits, but none of the hits that a websearch brought up supported the above rumor. eric, not taking the bait

On Wed, Aug 05, 1998 at 07:06:10AM -0700, ... wrote:

quoted 8 lines i am convinced that klf's chill out is _the_ best ambient record ever

> > > i am convinced that klf's chill out is _the_ best ambient record ever > > > produced. > > > > > > but i've heard rumors that it was written mainly by alex paterson. > > "chill out"'s precursor, "space," was made by jimmy cauty and alex paterson. "chill out" is jimmy cauty and bill drummond. > lazlo's discog doesn't list production credits, but none of the hits that a websearch brought up supported the above > rumor.

From the KLF FAQ:

quoted 42 lines 2.010: How was Chill Out recorded?

> 2.010: How was Chill Out recorded? > > "Chill Out" was apparently recorded live, without edits, in one take, by the > KLF only. The whole album was attempted several times, and if a mistake was > made, they started again. Here's what was written in Record Collector > magazine # 140: > > Cauty: "'Chill Out' was done with two DAT machines and a cassette recorder." > Drummond: "It was a live album that took two days to put together from bits > and pieces. It was like jamming with bits from LPs and stuff we had lying > around. We'd run around having to put an album on here, a cassette on there, > and then press something else to get a flow." Cauty: "There's no edits on > it. Quite a few times we'd get near the end and make a mistake and so we'd > have to go all the way back to the beginning and set it all up again." > Drummond then talks of bouncing it from DAT to DAT and playing a few pads on > a synthesizer at the notorious Trancentral of legend. > > The confusion concerning the recording of 'Chill Out' comes from a Volume > interview with The Orb's Alex Patterson, where the interviewer writes the > following: > > "Alex and Jimmy Cauty started the first 'Chill Out' room at Paul Oakenfold's > Land of Oz club, upstairs in London's Heaven. Using two decks and a CD > player they mixed tracks by the likes of Kraftwerk and Brian Eno over > bird-songs, BBC sound effects and weird tribal chants! Back in Autumn 1989 > Alex DJ'd for more than six hours at an eleven-hour 'ambientathon' held at > the KLF's Trancentral HQ. And much of the KLF's 'Chill Out' LP is, in fact, > made up of cuts from the session! Kopyright Liberation Front: you bet your > bottom, matey!" > > However since this is not a direct quote from Paterson, it is more > reasonable to believe the KLF's actual statements. It is possible that the > interviewer was confusing 'Chill Out' with the Space album, which was > recorded originally as an Orb album by Jimmy and Alex, then they split up > and Jimmy kept the master tapes (since they were recording in his house at > Trancentral), reworked it, removed Alex's contributions and added some > others of his own, finally releasing it on KLF Communications. There were > infamous weekend- long parties held at Trancentral though. Patterson will > have had some guiding/inspirational input to 'Chill Out', but it's really > the interplay between Bill and Jimmy that makes the KLF great. 'Chill Out' > is unquestionably a KLF record - just listen to steel guitars and > sheepnoises.

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On 05 August 1998 07:11, wells wrote:

quoted 2 lines i am convinced that klf's chill out is _the_ best ambient record ever

> i am convinced that klf's chill out is _the_ best ambient record ever > produced.

Dunno about that but I like it a lot.

quoted 3 lines but i've heard rumors that it was written mainly by alex paterson.

> but i've heard rumors that it was written mainly by alex paterson. > > anyone have any information on this?

This sounds unlikely since it's littered with bits of other KLF songs. And Elvis, and Acker Bilk and others. I read an interview with the KLF once where they stated Chill Out was done on turntables, two DAT machines and a sampler, and was created 'live'. Giles

...(eric hill) wrote:

quoted 5 lines "chill out"'s precursor, "space," was made by jimmy cauty and ale

> "chill out"'s precursor, "space," was made by jimmy cauty and alex paterson. "chill out" is jimmy cauty and bill drummond. > lazlo's discog doesn't list production credits, but none of the hits that a websearch brought up supported the above > rumor. > > eric, not taking the bait

Yeah, Space is MUCH better IMO. So if you like Chill Out, dig deep into those pockets and find a copy of Space. It's well worth it if you're either a KLF or an Orb fan.

On 06 August 1998 04:17, robot wrote:

quoted 5 lines ...(eric hill) wrote:

> ...(eric hill) wrote: > > > "chill out"'s precursor, "space," was made by jimmy cauty and alex > > paterson. "chill out" is jimmy cauty and bill drummond. > > lazlo's discog doesn't list production credits, but none of the hits

that

quoted 8 lines a websearch brought up supported the above

> > a websearch brought up supported the above > > rumor. > > > > eric, not taking the bait > > Yeah, Space is MUCH better IMO. So if you like Chill Out, dig deep > into those pockets and find a copy of Space. It's well worth it if > you're either a KLF or an Orb fan.

There's also the Kopyright Liberation Front album that just 'appeared' in various UK record shops. I think it contains music from a film the KLF did (not the money burning one...).

Hi, At 09:25 1998-08-06 +0100, WARD Giles wrote:

quoted 3 lines There's also the Kopyright Liberation Front album that just 'appeared' in

>There's also the Kopyright Liberation Front album that just 'appeared' in >various UK record shops. I think it contains music from a film the KLF did >(not the money burning one...).

I think you're reffering to "Waiting For the Rites of Mu" (although I think there's a typo on the front, making "rites" to "rights") which was a bootleg released by Echobeach in 3333 copies, it includes the music to the movie "Waiting" - chill-out type music, albeit not half as good. It also includes "The Rites of Mu" (one of the many times KLF fucked with the journalists) which is narrated by Martin Sheen. Not worth all that much, not musicwise nor value. I've seen people trying to get a lot of money for it. But don't bother. Both Chill Out and Space are FAR better - there's a bootleg with both those two on it as well, Chill Out it widely available in the USA through Waxtrax! I think. Franz. --- WHEN DOGMA ENTERS THE BRAIN, ALL INTELLECTUAL ACTIVITY CEASES. - Robert Anton Wilson.

On 06 August 1998 10:26, Franz Enmark wrote:

quoted 1 line I think you're reffering to "Waiting For the Rites of Mu" (although I

> I think you're reffering to "Waiting For the Rites of Mu" (although I

think

quoted 5 lines there's a typo on the front, making "rites" to "rights") which wa

> there's a typo on the front, making "rites" to "rights") which was a > bootleg released by Echobeach in 3333 copies, it includes the music to the > movie "Waiting" - chill-out type music, albeit not half as good. It also > includes "The Rites of Mu" (one of the many times KLF fucked with the > journalists) which is narrated by Martin Sheen.

It sounds to me like a 'remixed' version of Chill Out - though as you stated, not as good! This business of it being limited to 3333 copies... each copy is 'numbered' - both my copy and my mate's copy have the same number! The little tricksters!

quoted 1 line Not worth all that much, not musicwise nor value.

> Not worth all that much, not musicwise nor value.

Nice to have, though I must say I haven't listened to it much.

quoted 1 line Chill Out it widely available in the USA through Waxtrax! I think.

> Chill Out it widely available in the USA through Waxtrax! I think.

The UK KLF stuff is deleted so we have to fork out for expensive imports from the US/Japan etc. Was this just to generate money or was there another reason for doing it?

On Thu, Aug 06, 1998 at 12:03:48PM +0100, WARD Giles wrote:

quoted 5 lines Chill Out it widely available in the USA through Waxtrax! I think.

>> Chill Out it widely available in the USA through Waxtrax! I think. > > The UK KLF stuff is deleted so we have to fork out for expensive imports > from the US/Japan etc. Was this just to generate money or was there another > reason for doing it?

The deletion of the KLF Comms. catalogue was a symbolic gesture in support of their (tenuous) "departure from the music business" back in '92. They could almost certainly have made more money keeping the stuff in print on their own label than they're making now in licensing fees from the handful of non-UK labels keeping things like Chill Out and The White Room in print. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists

quoted 7 lines but i've heard rumors that it was written mainly by alex paterson.

> >> but i've heard rumors that it was written mainly by alex paterson. > > >This sounds unlikely since it's littered with bits of other KLF songs. > > Alex Paterson and Jimmy Cauty used to write a lot of stuff together. > Check out the credits for 'Loving You' on Warp's 'Artificial > Intelligence'.

I'm getting very interested in getting hold of Space now. I've talked with a mate of mine tonight, a big KLF nut, and he reckons it's bloody difficult to get hold of. Shame...

quoted 3 lines I'm getting very interested in getting hold of Space now. I've talked with

>I'm getting very interested in getting hold of Space now. I've talked with >a mate of mine tonight, a big KLF nut, and he reckons it's bloody difficult >to get hold of. Shame...

i've actually got this on CD. got it a few years ago in chicago. i suspect it's a bootleg. the catalog number is 'Space CD1.' also, the printing quality is a bit questionable. was it ever released on CD in some limited quantity possibly? ---------------------------------------------- D is for Desond thrown out of a sleigh ---------------------------------------------- bruce levenstein bruceLev@mindspring.com ----------------------------------------------

On Thu, Aug 06, 1998 at 07:42:54PM -0400, bruce levenstein wrote:

quoted 4 lines i've actually got this on CD. got it a few years ago in chicago. i suspect

> i've actually got this on CD. got it a few years ago in chicago. i suspect > it's a bootleg. the catalog number is 'Space CD1.' also, the printing > quality is a bit questionable. > was it ever released on CD in some limited quantity possibly?

On CD, it had one legit pressing and at least two bootleg pressings (one as a "twofer" combined with most of "Chill Out"). The printing quality on the original is okay, so any muddily-printed copy is probably the boot -- I can check the matrix number on my (original) copy if anyone cares enough to compare notes. -- ::: Lazlo (lazlo@swcp.com; http://www.swcp.com/lazlo) ::: Internet Music Wantlists: http://www.swcp.com/lazlo/Wantlists