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They're not motivated by aesthetics alone. That argument was voiced before by Luke Vibert, that music is only what sounds good, and it's complete bullshit. I really think that if they can come up with a title like _Chiastic Slide_ and artwork that actually relates in some way to that title, then obviously some fundamental thought process went into the music. If they can choose Futura, which was designed with specific goals in mind, and have *that* relate to the rest of the packaging, then its not just about two monkeys sitting in a pub grunting, "Hey, Rocko..erm Rob, that looks groovy." And then proceeding to leaf through _NME_ or whatever poser mag to fawn over next season's fashion and music fads. I think you're wrong. God, I hope you're wrong. Of course, in all the quoting that was done, it was never acknowledged that I described the review as a subjective process, entirely at the discretion of the writer. Oh well. Chalk it up to experience. And write another Reuterz piece honouring bozos like the ones who make these kinds of comments. -Alex -- Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:10:41 -0400 From: jif <jif@ottawa.com> Subject: Re: (idm) Ae _Untitled_ Review [long]

quoted 5 lines A Developed Analysis of Ae's Conceptual Development from _Chiastic

> > A Developed Analysis of Ae's Conceptual Development from _Chiastic > > Slide_ > > to _Untitled_ >> > > > {snip}

and all the while sean and rob are probably releasing records because they sound good and choosing artwork because it looks good, and wondering what brand of shoes theyre gonna buy when they get their residuals...

quoted 3 lines I really think that if they can come up with a title like _Chiastic Slide_

>I really think that if they can come up with a title like _Chiastic Slide_ >and artwork that actually relates in some way to that title, then obviously >some fundamental thought process went into the music.

This might be a valid argument if Autechre created the covers for their records. They don't. C. -- Chris.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.org) "What I don't understand," said Richard, "is what these people have against dictionaries. Maybe they don't even know they can't spell."

On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Chris.Hilker wrote:

quoted 2 lines This might be a valid argument if Autechre created the covers for their

> This might be a valid argument if Autechre created the covers for their > records. They don't.

but i am quite sure that they work fairly closely with whomever is working on them ... I would be even willing to bet that they have s pecific idea of what they want to illustrate and they do their best to convey this to the person working on it ... There are very few people who are allowed free reign when it comes to designing projects like this ... and even though many peoplle worship at the feet of TDR i dont really think either sean or rob just tell them to go crazy and give 'em whatever .. it just doesnt work that way ... i am also quite sure that in the design process for the albums, questions arise over what is to be represented and why? these are very common concernse when designing for an outside part .. and often these questions help the designer get a better start on the project m.

On Thu, Jul 30, 1998 at 03:25:47PM -0700, Chris.Hilker wrote:

quoted 7 lines I really think that if they can come up with a title like _Chiastic Slide_

> >I really think that if they can come up with a title like _Chiastic Slide_ > >and artwork that actually relates in some way to that title, then obviously > >some fundamental thought process went into the music. > > This might be a valid argument if Autechre created the covers for their > records. They don't. >

They did create the cover for the current album. adam

On Thu, 30 Jul 1998, Alex Reynolds wrote: | If they can choose Futura, which was designed with specific goals in mind, | and have *that* relate to the rest of the packaging, then its not just | about two monkeys sitting in a pub grunting, "Hey, Rocko..erm Rob, that | looks groovy." And then proceeding to leaf through _NME_ or whatever poser | mag to fawn over next season's fashion and music fads. | I think you're wrong. God, I hope you're wrong. Why? Does it change your opinion of the results if that is how they approach their music? I got to check out this Modulations film last night, and I was really pleased to see Sean and Rob being very much ho-hum and "yeah man, as kids you want everything to be like sci-fi, and you think cool, make electronic stuff, yeah, huhuhuh". I have no doubt they're clued up, but they also seemed down to earth about what they are doing. As for the packaging thing... what say do they have in the packaging? As for the titles thing... these are the people who make puns as bad as "Basscadet", "Latein (sp) Quarter", and "Cichli Suite". | Of course, in all the quoting that was done, it was never acknowledged that | I described the review as a subjective process, entirely at the discretion | of the writer. Did you think people who were discrediting your opinion were not allowing you your opinion? Michael "You know what? I'll call him Jet Jaguar..." http://www.vuw.ac.nz/~michael/jj.html Site last updated 15/4/98

quoted 1 line personally, I think tdr cover designs are still stylish, but haven't been all that &g

>personally, I think tdr cover designs are still stylish, but haven't been all that >fresh lately. nothing recent I've seen from them compares to the AI, amber, tri >repetae or even the blech 1 covers.

i'm a bit tired of every second message being about autechre, so how about some new discussion?... i've always wanted to know what else dsigners rep has worked on. the only non-techno thing i can think of that's by them is a wedding present record. do they do anything else other than album covers for warp and r&s? r.

On Fri, 31 Jul 1998, rob wrote:

quoted 8 lines personally, I think tdr cover designs are still stylish, but haven't been all that &g

> >personally, I think tdr cover designs are still stylish, but haven't been all that >fresh lately. nothing recent I've seen from them compares to the AI, amber, tri >repetae or even the blech 1 covers. > > i'm a bit tired of every second message being about autechre, so how > about some new discussion?... i've always wanted to know what else > dsigners rep has worked on. the only non-techno thing i can think of > that's by them is a wedding present record. > > do they do anything else other than album covers for warp and r&s?

they did some stuff for pwei (pop will eat itself). and a number of other things i cant think of at the moment.. but they do a lot.. not just warp and r&s. what wedding present record did they do? chris. [*<n/ff> <=rr*/a|>r] - wednesdays 7-8 pm riders of the plastic groove - fridays 9-midnight kuci 88.9fm po box 4362 irvine ca 92616 -:.:'-"-':_/'"'"\_|'\-"-':_/_|'\_|'\_/'"'_/'"'"\_.:'-".:'-"'"'_/'"'_//'"'"

quoted 8 lines personally, I think tdr cover designs are still stylish, but haven't been all that &g

> >personally, I think tdr cover designs are still stylish, but haven't been all that >fresh lately. nothing recent I've seen from them compares to the AI, amber, tri >repetae or even the blech 1 covers. > > i'm a bit tired of every second message being about autechre, so how > about some new discussion?... i've always wanted to know what else > dsigners rep has worked on. the only non-techno thing i can think of > that's by them is a wedding present record. > > do they do anything else other than album covers for warp and r&s?

i believe they've done the covers for the last couple of supergrass records. there's a big (relatively) article on them in, oh, what was it- Raygun magazine i think. one of those big "50 pop culture icons and influences" type things,and i was pleasantly suproised to find them in there along with some other people like james lavelle of mo' wax. -r