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i don't know about the website (and i don't feel like waiting a decade while this old computer here at work tries to load netscape), but i was wondering if someone could help me out a little with red snapper...the only red snapper i've heard is the track from the mealtime comp. and the track from wap100...while i thought the one from _mealtime_ was ok, i *really* liked the one from wap100...can someone point me towards the red snapper releases that are closer to the track from wap100? thanks. -brad ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: (idm) Rad Snapper, Japanese style Author: substar@iafrica.com at INTERNET Date: 7/24/98 9:48 AM On 23 Jul 98, Greg Clow wrote re: (idm) Rad Snapper, Japanese style:

quoted 4 lines Was poking around the Sony Japan Techno site and found the following page:

> Was poking around the Sony Japan Techno site and found the following page: > > http://www.sme.co.jp/Music/Info/SonyTechno/release/redsnapper/makingbones. > html

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On 24 Jul 98, Brad Berger wrote re: Re: (idm) Red Snapper, Japanese sty:

quoted 2 lines can someone point me towards the red snapper releases that are

> can someone point me towards the red snapper releases that are > closer to the track from wap100? thanks.

Having not heard WAP100, I'm not answering your question but 96's Prince Blimey was their first (to my knowledge) full length release on Warp. Before that they've got "Reeled and Skinned" out, which is some of their EP's on a full-length. Reeled and Skinned is more jazzy, whereas Prince Blimey is just thoroughly SUBLIME! (So kick me if you disagree :-) ) I *

Anybody-- Is Red Snapper really the "live drum&bass" band that Warp says it is? I heard the WAP100 song and it didn't really fit that description. I think the site said that the "bundle of energy on drums proved you could play live d&b." If anyone can verify or discount this it would be appreciated. --Geoff

Geoffrey Langham wrote:

quoted 1 line Is Red Snapper really the "live drum&bass" band that Warp says it is? I hear

> Is Red Snapper really the "live drum&bass" band that Warp says it is? I heard the WAP100 song and it didn't really fit that description. I think the site said that the "bundle of energy on drums proved you could play live d&b." If anyone can verify or discount this it would be appreciated.

No. This description of "live drum and bass" is the least fitting I've ever heard. Red Snapper has _nothing_ to do with Drum N Bass. I think it may be a lame warp attempt at cashing in on DnB's mass acceptance. However, RedSnapper, for me, is a fusion of a live jazz sound with "classy" hiphop/tr*phop beats (at times). Some of their songs are very driving while others are quite moody. Their sound has a definite live feel due to their method of studio work and the use of live instrumention. The most prevelent live sound in the music is the use of the baritone (and other) sax, live drumming (in conjunction with drum programming), bass guitar, some normal guitar used with certain distorto techniques. However, don't confuse this with Satriani-esque "whaling"... it couldn't be further from that, there is no overt presence of guitar in this music. I'm definitely one of those "guitar-phobic" types on the list, but I love RedSnapper's music. Their sound makes you wonder what is "real" instrumentation and what is generated. They are like Stereolab in that way (they sound nothing like them), talented mixture of electronics and instrumentation. I think what they were trying to describe with that silly description is that the energy of the drumming/drum programming is comparable to the energy of some drumnbass stuff. If you regard drumnbass as being high _energy_, then you'll see what they mean, but by no means is there the overt breaks usage as in dnb. The music of RS is slower bpm-wise than dnb, so that's why the description falls over. I suggest you listen to a copy of Prince Blimey at the store and you'll get the idea... (or you can buy my vinyl copy of The Swank EP, on sale cheap for you now ;-) and see how inept my description is :-O Hope that helps.. Kev np: I-F - Fucking Consumer (what are I-F up to lately, have I missed something?) =-=-=-=-=-=- FreyGuy <Everyday is Freyday> Network/Notes Administration NMB USA/NHBB kevfrey@evansville.net kfrey@nmbtech.com ICQ:4784088 "Like the generation of the revolutionary dead, we have a destiny to create." -Alvin Toffler

At 09:04 AM 05 - 08 - 1998 -0500, you wrote:

quoted 3 lines Geoffrey Langham wrote:

>Geoffrey Langham wrote: > >> Is Red Snapper really the "live drum&bass" band that Warp says it is?

I heard the WAP100 song and it didn't really fit that description. I think the site said that the "bundle of energy on drums proved you could play live d&b." If anyone can verify or discount this it would be appreciated.

quoted 2 lines No. This description of "live drum and bass" is the least fitting I've

> >No. This description of "live drum and bass" is the least fitting I've

ever heard.

quoted 1 line Red Snapper has _nothing_ to do with Drum N Bass. I think it may be a

> Red Snapper has _nothing_ to do with Drum N Bass. I think it may be a

lame warp attempt at cashing in on DnB's mass acceptance. uh, colour me stupid, but i think red snapper have been at warp since before d'n'b was "accepted by the masses," ie reeled and skinned is from.... a few years ago, anyway. what's the deal with all the warp-bashing lately? Yeah, so they had the Ae mp3s taken down. So not all of their releases have been superb lately. At least they haven't signed the Crystal Method. It's not like they're producing mass amounts of shit. wap100 wasn't a total loss, the new Ae is great, the new Red Snapper is great, BoC is... well, i think it's great. They're supposed to be co-releasing a Bola album with Skam, a new sqyarepusher is coming soon, and all I hear is "Warp is lame." "Blah blah warp blah blah sucks." Oy, I don't get it. np: freeform:heterarchy jeremy[x]axon breeyn[e]mccarney broccoli[fat]cat ================= "Reality is that which, when you stop beleiving in it, doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick In life, he suffered from a sense of unreality, as do many Englishmen. -- "Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius" by Jorge Luis Borges

quoted 8 lines No. This description of "live drum and bass" is the least fitting I've

>>No. This description of "live drum and bass" is the least fitting I've >ever heard. >> Red Snapper has _nothing_ to do with Drum N Bass. I think it may be a >lame warp attempt at cashing in on DnB's mass acceptance. > > uh, colour me stupid, but i think red snapper have been at warp >since before d'n'b was "accepted by the masses," ie reeled and skinned is >from.... a few years ago, anyway.

Well this depends on what you mean by the masses of course but by the time Warp released 'Reeled & Skinned' (July '95) there'd already been two Plug EP's, "Are We Here," Aphex's "Spotlight" remix and a few other things that were widely accepted among idm listmembers, at least. There's even a very funny post in the idm archives from that month from oldschool idm crank Ryan G. Pals complaining (what else?) about how "everyone and his intelligent dog is jumping on the jungle tip." C. -- Chris.Hilker (cspot@hyperreal.org) "What I don't understand," said Richard, "is what these people have against dictionaries. Maybe they don't even know they can't spell."

I think that the whole idea that Warp is 'cashing in' on anything is ludicrous to say the least. Is it really THAT bad that this label can put out stuff by such a varied roster ie Jimi Tenor (who sounds a lot like a 90's Al Green), Sweet Exorcist, Nightmares On Wax, Autechre, Aphex etc etc etc??...I mean, are the Tomas, Modus Vivendi or Resoraz records REALLY "idm"??? Probably not, but they're dope just the same, and I think that is what really counts. In the case of Red Snapper, that 'Reeled And Skinned' CD is a compilation of their stuff on Flaw (RIP), which had come out 2 years previous, mostly. Those cuts weren't really drum & bass in the Metalheadz/Bukem/V sense of the word. Seems to me that the Red Snapper stuff has always been different sounding, whether or not it is on a "bandwagon". Seems to me that Warp has always tried to have stuff that was innovative and cool at the same time, no matter what style of electronic music it is...Obviously if you're goiong to put out 100 releases, not everything is going to be good. But, they've been around this long, so they must be doing something right, no? Sorry to vent-- but it seems that there is an inordinate amount of Warp-bashing going on. Why is this?

Actually- I wasn't venting at you-- I think we agree on everything (at least in this set of posts :-)... It just seems like with this whole set of Mira Calix posts I've been reading, that people are losing sight of the greater goal of a label like Warp has...Sorry to send crossed signals to you-- but I really am glad that Warp has artists like Red Snapper who give their roster a jolt of energy and freshness IMHO.

SyntaxMusic wrote:

quoted 3 lines I think that the whole idea that Warp is 'cashing in' on anything is

> I think that the whole idea that Warp is 'cashing in' on anything is > ludicrous to say the least. Is it really THAT bad that this label can > put out stuff by such a varied roster ....

I wasn't referring to "cashing in" on that particular point. I agree with you on this and really like the fact that Warp is around as a label.. they served a major role in the reason this list was created in the first place.

quoted 6 lines In the case of Red Snapper, that 'Reeled And Skinned' CD is a

> In the case of Red Snapper, that 'Reeled And Skinned' CD is a > compilation of their stuff on Flaw (RIP), which had come out 2 years > previous, mostly. Those cuts weren't really drum & bass in the > Metalheadz/Bukem/V sense of the word. Seems to me that the Red Snapper > stuff has always been different sounding, whether or not it is on a > "bandwagon".

Exactly, but its not drumnbass in ANY sense of the word, IMO. And as far as being bandwagon jumpers... I don't think anyone is accusing them of that (especially in their earlier works), and please don't think that I was in my previous post. If it didn't come across before, I am a huge fan of RedSnapper, and have very little to say about them that isn't gleaming. And yes, Warp can be spotty, but they also put out a good variety of acts and many quality releases.. I'm with you on that too...

quoted 2 lines Sorry to vent-- but it seems that there is an inordinate amount of

> Sorry to vent-- but it seems that there is an inordinate amount of > Warp-bashing going on. Why is this?

I wasn't really Warp bashing by saying "cash in." What I was referring to was the usage of the misinformed *quote* that related RedSnapper as a live DrumNBass act, which they are not. More recently, they may be incorporating some DrumNBass methods into their music, but by no means are they Live drumnbass... If I'm wrong, please let me know, but I feel like I know their music pretty well. Sorry for the confusion, I was bashing the quote (and the usage of it) in promotion of the band. Kev np: the sound of large server fans <time to go home> =-=-=-=-=-=- FreyGuy <Everyday is Freyday> "Like the generation of the revolutionary dead, we have a destiny to create." -Alvin Toffler