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hello .. anyone debating about whether to check out roni size/reprazent, definitely go!! i was just in bristol a couple days ago and saw dj die and mc dynamite at the thekla ... it was an amazing show (heavier than new forms though)... and roni and krust were there (actually, ended up dancing with them a bit--further reinforcing the notion that those who _make_ d n b are no better at dancing than those who _listen_) ... anyway, check em out .. even though it was only die mixing, it was still damn good and i'm pretty sure reprazent would sound similar ... sean.

quoted 1 line i was just in bristol a couple days ago

> i was just in bristol a couple days ago

Are you the guy who was asking about events in Bristol a while back 'cos you were going for the weekend?

quoted 1 line and saw dj die and mc dynamite at the thekla ...

> and saw dj die and mc dynamite at the thekla ...

That's the boat thing, right? What's it like there, I've never been...

quoted 1 line it was an amazing show (heavier than new forms though)...

> it was an amazing show (heavier than new forms though)...

Oh, now you're teasing me :-) I *wish* I could have been there. The heavier stuff like Dope Dragon is my favourite and they just slam down when they DJ, and they always play some really fresh stuff. I've only seen them once (Suv, Die, Krust and Size DJing in that order) but it was seriously life-changing stuff.

quoted 3 lines and roni and krust were there (actually, ended up dancing with them a

> and roni and krust were there (actually, ended up dancing with them a > bit--further reinforcing the notion that those who _make_ d n b are no > better at dancing than those who _listen_)

Yeah, they're cool blokes. The fame's not going to their heads and they pretty much always come out on the dancefloor or to the bar while the others are DJing. The night at the Thekla is their home-base kind of thing where they can just relax and hook up with old and new people.

quoted 2 lines anyway, check em out .. even though it was only die mixing, it was still

> anyway, check em out .. even though it was only die mixing, it was still > damn good and i'm pretty sure reprazent would sound similar ...

Reprazent live isn't as good IMO, although still worth checking out just because of the ambitiousness of it. Needs a good sound system to fully appreciate it, not the usual studenty guitar band venues where the sound is muddy as hell. They may have revised their set since last year for the new tour, but when I saw them I wanted them to be a but more varied. We got Share The Fall 3 times, and as much as I love that song, three times is just too much. It makes them sound like they haven't got enough songs to fill a set, which just aint the case at all. Anyway, time to advance plug my website again. It's dedicated to the music of the above people and 'Bristol drum and bass' in general (although I hate to use this term 'cos it doesn't mean anything it's just useful for identifying what's going on instead of saying Full Cycle/V/Dope Dragon/Studio Drum/etc etc etc). Should be going up in about a week or so. I'll post the URL and more info then. gb.

Went to see the Roni Size/Reprazent show last night...i was only slightly stoned, so my review is unhindered by artificial euphoria. I thought it was the most intense show i've ever seen. The singer didn't do much for me, but the lighting, the sound system, the bassist, the drummer(man, does this guy have stamina!), and most of all the MC were AMAZING. If this show comes to your town and you like drum 'n bass, go see it. Its much MUCH better live than on the New Forms CD. Ali Lalani "When injustice becomes law... Resistance becomes duty." Some montreal protesters

At 12:28 +0000 18/03/98, alalan@PO-Box.McGill.CA wrote:

quoted 3 lines Went to see the Roni Size/Reprazent show last night...i was only

>Went to see the Roni Size/Reprazent show last night...i was only >slightly stoned, so my review is unhindered by artificial euphoria. I >thought it was the most intense show i've ever seen.

Sorry to intervene, but this was the most stupid hasrrasing show I've seen for ages. Relating to all these good D'N B we have access too, this stupid Rock'n Roll band, elected as a star and a Must were just boring. Lound shitty sound, repetitive patterns.... To avoid for all people who curious don't stand in the mainstream area. Eric

quoted 1 line is it just me, or does anyone else hate roni size?

> is it just me, or does anyone else hate roni size?

No matter how rhetorical you try to be, it's just you.

quoted 1 line i've only had the patience to listen to brown paper bag, but that was plenty.

> i've only had the patience to listen to brown paper bag, but that was plenty.

I've only had the patience to listen to two sentences from you and trust me, THAT *was* plenty!

quoted 3 lines i wouldn't hate it so much if it wasn't generally thought of as "really goo

> i wouldn't hate it so much if it wasn't generally thought of as "really good" (especially by the > stupid mainstream titanic lovers, spin, rolling stone, any other pop > music magazine, and people who sit and worship wu-tang all day)

Aww, did the mainstream steal your beloved Wu-Tang? Poor you. Bet you had to clense yourself of those Method Man and Old Dirty Bastard posters you had pinned up, not to mention taking the stitching out of your Wu Logo beenie hat. Must've been a real chore. Get your head out of your arse and wake up! Surely it's better that Reprazent and Wu Tang are getting airplay than more of the same pop pap or sickly r&b commercialism we're used to on the radio? But let's get to the point, which is that the whole world could do without you and your pathetic attempts at techno-snobbery. I hate to even attempt to rationalise someone as fucked up as yourself, but let's give it a try anyway. Firstly, take a look at yourself. IMO, there is at least something slightly understandable about someone who hates a band/artist whose music has crossed from the underground into the mainstream, but *you* aren't looking futher than the mainstream, because if you were you'd realise that Roni and crew's musical history is deeper than you've bothered to dig. Brock was right when he said that it's a bad idea to diss Roni on the basis of the Reprazent stuff. And because that's exactly what you've done, you can't very well complain about what you aren't prepared to hear. Plus you'll never get into some of the best music ever made, but that's your loss.

quoted 1 line but face it kids, it's a big stinky pile of crappy jungle.

> but face it kids, it's a big stinky pile of crappy jungle.

In the words of Company Flow. "I don't mind you talking shit, just keep it in the first person".

quoted 2 lines feel free to try to explain how BPB is worth the 4 minutes it takes to sit through

> feel free to try to explain how BPB is worth the 4 minutes it takes to sit through > it.

That's nine minutes and three seconds, you fruit. You've been listening to the industry standard radio edit, and the explanation as to why it *is* worth listening to is that it grooves. If you don't feel Brown Paper Bag then fine, all I'm saying is that you can't judge Roni and crews music by the same factors that you judge others by. If you hate one Goldie song, it's quite possible you'll hate them all, but whereas you might not like their sound on the Reprazent releases, there's plenty more to choose from. That's the whole point, it's a sound for one and all - something for everyone, and that's without compromise. You try it. It isn't an easy balance to get right, and that's why Roni and crew deserve respect. If you want to get into the music, there's plenty of ways to do so it. You can check out my web-site for a starting point. Then again if you want to pass judgement on the music without hearing any of it, go ahead. You don't need the music and the music certainly doesn't need you, so we'll leave it out on that note, shall we. Graham. np: some Busta Rhymes/Flipmode thing that samples the Knightrider theme! Mad! -- [b]r[e]a[k]b[e]a[t] [e]r[a] _ Roni Size Reprazent Krust Die Suv Full Cycle Dope http://www2.prestel.co.uk/lwtcdi/era/ Dragon V Philly Blunt Chronic Protocol [profiles][discographies][sounds][interviews][news]

At 04:37 AM 03.21.98, you wrote:

quoted 2 lines is it just me, or does anyone else hate roni size?

>> is it just me, or does anyone else hate roni size? >

is it just me or does it seem that all the more hardcore than thou people tend to come out each and every time someone well respected in the idm circles gains some airplay? Are we all to hate RDJ now cuz he is getting MTV airplay? Crystal Method, Prodigy, Chemical Brothers, Photek, and quite a few other bands have seen the same fate, once respected by some people, then they become this huge MTV hit and everyon turns on them. THis is not to rehash discussion about such bands, nor to discuss the quality of their music. It just seems that many who deserve respect suddenly become our targets for abuse as soon as they become popular. Granted there are many artists who are selling out for the cash, but listening to Roni, even with his "edited" mtv hit does not give me any impression of such

quoted 2 lines i've only had the patience to listen to brown paper bag, but that was

> >> i've only had the patience to listen to brown paper bag, but that was

plenty.

quoted 4 lines I've only had the patience to listen to two sentences from you and trust

> >I've only had the patience to listen to two sentences from you and trust >me, THAT *was* plenty! >

hehe :)

quoted 1 line i wouldn't hate it so much if it wasn't generally thought of as "really

>> i wouldn't hate it so much if it wasn't generally thought of as "really

good" (especially by the

quoted 2 lines stupid mainstream titanic lovers, spin, rolling stone, any other pop

>> stupid mainstream titanic lovers, spin, rolling stone, any other pop >> music magazine, and people who sit and worship wu-tang all day)

Well call me a mainstream titanic lover I guess because I still love Roni Size :). How dare an artist ever make music that someone would actually like. I mean damn, all artists should just make crap that everyone hates so they would remain elite and hardcore. If you could open your mind a little bit you may find that there are some very good mainstream releases. . take radiohead for example, a great album that is loved by those mainstream titanic lovers such as myself.

quoted 2 lines Aww, did the mainstream steal your beloved Wu-Tang? Poor you. Bet you

> >Aww, did the mainstream steal your beloved Wu-Tang? Poor you. Bet you

quoted 7 lines had to clense yourself of those Method Man and Old Dirty Bastard posters

>had to clense yourself of those Method Man and Old Dirty Bastard posters >you had pinned up, not to mention taking the stitching out of your Wu >Logo beenie hat. Must've been a real chore. Get your head out of your >arse and wake up! Surely it's better that Reprazent and Wu Tang are >getting airplay than more of the same pop pap or sickly r&b >commercialism we're used to on the radio? >

I am very happy that the more mainstream (alternative) radio stations are playing some better music, that way I dont have to listen to sam the matchbox 20 and Pearl Jam that has infected the airwaves. Hey, Roni, Wu, RDJ, and many other IDM artists may not have taken over the radio just yet, but I am not one to complain about a great song being played once in a while, for those times that im stuck at work with no disks and only the radio to keep me company

quoted 2 lines But let's get to the point, which is that the whole world could do

>But let's get to the point, which is that the whole world could do >without you and your pathetic attempts at techno-snobbery.

this is where I say "me to" to the above statement

quoted 1 line feel free to try to explain how BPB is worth the 4 minutes it takes to

>> feel free to try to explain how BPB is worth the 4 minutes it takes to

sit through

quoted 7 lines it.

>> it. > >That's nine minutes and three seconds, you fruit. You've been listening >to the industry standard radio edit, and the explanation as to why it >*is* worth listening to is that it grooves. If you don't feel Brown >Paper Bag then fine, all I'm saying is that you can't judge Roni and >crews music by the same factors that you judge others by.

exaclty, hating music just because of its popularity is just as ignorant as loving music just because of its popularity. So I call myself the mainstreeam titanic lover to make a point when you are actually much closer to them than myself, becasue you, much like the mainstream, remains close minded, willing to judge music based on it level of populairty. You may consider yourself more elite simply becasue you HATE music due to its popularity, but it is still close minded judgements.

quoted 2 lines np: some Busta Rhymes/Flipmode thing that samples the Knightrider theme!

>np: some Busta Rhymes/Flipmode thing that samples the Knightrider theme! >Mad!

Where is this track found? I heard snippits of it and would love to hear the entire track. Gotta love them Busta Rhymes videos (even if some of the tracks are not that great IMHO) :Tin: np: some mainstream titanic lovers crap that is loved by all the music magazines: Radiohead - OK Computer

quoted 13 lines But let's get to the point, which is that the whole world could do

>But let's get to the point, which is that the whole world could do >without you and your pathetic attempts at techno-snobbery. I hate to >even attempt to rationalise someone as fucked up as yourself, but let's >give it a try anyway. Firstly, take a look at yourself. IMO, there is at >least something slightly understandable about someone who hates a >band/artist whose music has crossed from the underground into the >mainstream, but *you* aren't looking futher than the mainstream, because >if you were you'd realise that Roni and crew's musical history is deeper >than you've bothered to dig. Brock was right when he said that it's a >bad idea to diss Roni on the basis of the Reprazent stuff. And because >that's exactly what you've done, you can't very well complain about what >you aren't prepared to hear. Plus you'll never get into some of the best >music ever made, but that's your loss.

I haven't heard any of Roni Size tracks, except two remixes of Nobukatzu Takemura and Palmskin Productions. So I cannot tell you anything about his music......but one thing bothers me here : NAME ME ONE PERSON IN THE WORLD WHO WON"T MISS SOME OF THE BEST MUSIC EVER MADE............ There are 3 big problems why will all of us miss it : 1. THE DAY LASTS 24 HOURS (this one is the main problem, even for those who have billions of dollars and no lack of concentracion and peaceful place for music listening) 2. MONEY (it's allways the problem, isn't it... I sometimes think for the whole day, how can I get it, how can I steel it... where can I steel it and get away with it of course) 3. CONCENTRACION/QUIET PEACEFUL PLACE (needs on explanation for those of you who are music listeners... poor addicted souls) bye rob

Hello! I'm new to the list and I've seen a lot of talk about Roni Size. I've never heard anything, but I would be interested in hearing something before I run out and buy stuff. Are there any mp3's that represent a typical type of work? Any help would be great!!! Stormsonic

I bought the 2cd 'Reprazent' release. It's not all the wonderful in general. My biases are that I generally dislike lyrical forms of techno. I most certainly disagree that it's one of the year's best 'drum-n-bass' releases, besides the fact that I think the classification 'drum-n-bass' is pretty stupid. On the other hand, there are some good tracks on the CD and I do feel that I made a good purcase considering that I had only the promo sticker to go by when I ran across it. Jason -=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=-=+=- "I paint what I think, not what I see..." - Pablo Picasso "You're not the boss of me!..." - J. A. Hutto (Pre age 3) http://www2.msstate.edu/~jah10 + jah10@ra.msstate.edu

On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Stormsonic wrote:

quoted 4 lines I'm new to the list and I've seen a lot of talk about Roni Size. I've never

> I'm new to the list and I've seen a lot of talk about Roni Size. I've never > heard anything, but I would be interested in hearing something before I run > out and buy stuff. Are there any mp3's that represent a typical type of work? > Any help would be great!!!

Roni Size has single off his album _New Forms_: "Brown Paper Bag", I believe. It is readily available in most music stores. -- Niraj Agarwalla -- niraj@shore.net -- http://www.shore.net/~niraj

quoted 10 lines On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Stormsonic wrote:

> On Sat, 4 Apr 1998, Stormsonic wrote: > > > I'm new to the list and I've seen a lot of talk about Roni Size. I've never > > heard anything, but I would be interested in hearing something before I run > > out and buy stuff. Are there any mp3's that represent a typical type of work? > > Any help would be great!!! > > Roni Size has single off his album _New Forms_: "Brown Paper Bag", I > believe. It is readily available in most music stores. >

*shudder* This song has done irreperable damage to myself by dara playing this tune over and over and over and over. I hate this tune. It haunts me my blackest dreams. The video is pretty cool however.

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> -- > Niraj Agarwalla -- niraj@shore.net -- http://www.shore.net/~niraj > >

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