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i've decided to organize this thing... six members so far (me and five others) and still no source track. if anyone else is joining, please get back to me soon, as i'd like to get the project underway. for those who missed the original thread... ".szalemandre." <szale@doubtful.com> writes:

quoted 9 lines how about the musicians from the list try a project like this? it's

>how about the musicians from the list try a project like this? it's >an >awesome idea. (just so i know what you're talking about) - rather >than >every artist writing remixes based on one original track, each artist >gets >his source from the remixer before him, then passes _his_ new remix on >to >the next? i love it!

and yeah, the idea was stolen from dot... but we're more "underground" ;-) ....mult............................................................... ....http://members.xoom.com/multsanta.... _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

quoted 1 line on the worst songs we can think of..

> on the worst songs we can think of..

without question... hanson: "mmmbop" asg's 2 bits.

quoted 1 line six members so far (me and five others) and still no source track.

> six members so far (me and five others) and still no source track.

I think the source track should be some bullshit Celine Dion or Bryan Adams song, something so utterly devoid of interestingness that remixing it would be a real challenge. Didn't RDJ once say he only remixes stuff he doesn't like? _Cf

Christopher Fahey wrote:

quoted 8 lines six members so far (me and five others) and still no source track.

> > six members so far (me and five others) and still no source track. > > I think the source track should be some bullshit Celine Dion or Bryan > Adams > song, something so utterly devoid of interestingness that remixing it > would > be a real challenge. Didn't RDJ once say he only remixes stuff he > doesn't

quoted 1 line like?

> like?

thats actually a pretty good idea! (im not saying you dont usually havegood ideas Chris ; ) Maybe we should have some sort of voting system on the worst songs we can think of.. heheh...whatever Steve /k/./F/ The Church Of England :- Killing Foreigners for Profit and Jesus

quoted 4 lines hmm i dont really want to remix hanson as such.... but its

>hmm i dont really want to remix hanson as such.... but its >probably a better alternative to The Spice Girls because >the Spice Girls do have beats and synths and stuff which >vaguely resemble stuff on idm rekkids...

how 'bout Smash Mouth or Chumbawumba.... they've got mo' beats!!

Aaron S. Gregory wrote:

quoted 8 lines on the worst songs we can think of..

> > > on the worst songs we can think of.. > > without question... > > hanson: "mmmbop" > > asg's 2 bits.

i am not remixing hanson....no how about spice girls -velure

quoted 9 lines without question...

> > without question... > > > > hanson: "mmmbop" > > > > asg's 2 bits. > > i am not remixing hanson....no > > how about spice girls

hmm i dont really want to remix hanson as such.... but its probably a better alternative to The Spice Girls because the Spice Girls do have beats and synths and stuff which vaguely resemble stuff on idm rekkids....come on dont flame me! you know what i mean...? i reckon the original Celine Dion/Bryan Adams ideas were better Steve /k/./F/ The Church Of England :- Killing Foreigners for Profit and Jesus

This whole IDM remix chain idea is great, as is the idea of starting with some piece o' crap "pop" song. But why not seperate them into *two* projects? Project 1: A remix chain starting with a track by someone on IDM and continuing with mixes by other IDMers, a la Dot's "Endlessnessism". Project 2: Rather than a remix chain, have all musical IDMers interested in contributing pick some annoying, awful song of their choosing and rework it into something IDM-like. Thoughts? Greg (no musical talent, so I wont be contributing anyway)

quoted 2 lines Steve /k/./F/ <kung.funk@virgin.net> wrote:

> Steve /k/./F/ <kung.funk@virgin.net> wrote: >middle aged rock would be the best option i reckon...not pop songs

Yeah, middle age rock is it. Bob Dylan vs. IDM? Barbra Streisand vs. Celine Dion vs. IDM? John Tesh vs. IDM? And it's gotta have really prominent vocals because that's what IDM-ers hate the most. (In a funny way, didn't coldcut already do this?) And we've got to set ground rules about how much of the song you've got to leave intact. For example, you can't just bite a 1-second beep from the song and call it a remix. In fact, maybe we should make it illegal to use more than a certain amount of original material in the song. The remixes should retain the flavor of the previous remix. If not we'll have a whole new song by step two (I suppose that's partially the point though). But it would be more fun if each step along the way kind of resembled several of the steps before it instead of just being a one-person wank-fest for each of the respective remixers along the way. If we don't limit it it would be like a collaborative painting where each painter painted the previous version white before doing their part. I'm not one for strict rules though. I'd simply say that each remix should be at least "50% like" the original song. What "50% like" really means is up to the artist's discretion. If you abuse the discretion and argue that sampling only a beep qualifies, well, then you're a wanker. Or maybe you can do anything you want but you have to leave the vocals 100% intact, all there, and still in the front of the mix. This is the traditional pop-remix formula. _Cf

quoted 7 lines Yeah, middle age rock is it. Bob Dylan vs. IDM? Barbra Streisand vs.

> Yeah, middle age rock is it. Bob Dylan vs. IDM? Barbra Streisand vs. > > Celine Dion vs. IDM? John Tesh vs. IDM? And it's gotta have really > prominent > vocals because that's what IDM-ers hate the most. (In a funny way, > didn't > coldcut already do this?)

I think Bob Dylan is far too good! (i dont listen to him.. but i can respect him)now Celine Dion... i have no respect for her!

quoted 7 lines I'm not one for strict rules though. I'd simply say that each

> I'm not one for strict rules though. I'd simply say that each > remix > should be at least "50% like" the original song. What "50% like" > really > means is up to the artist's discretion. If you abuse the discretion > and > argue that sampling only a beep qualifies, well, then you're a wanker.

As long as there are recognisbale parts of the original song i think it shouldqualify.... The 'better' remixes will have recognisable parts, the 'worse' remixes wont....

quoted 5 lines Or maybe you can do anything you want but you have to leave the

> Or maybe you can do anything you want but you have to leave the > vocals > 100% intact, all there, and still in the front of the mix. This is the > > traditional pop-remix formula.

This would be a bit impractical unless we could get an accapella of the original song though, otherwise youd have to leave in too much of the accompianing music.. (i cant spell btw) Steve /k/./F/ The Church Of England :- Killing Foreigners for Profit and Jesus

I think the remix chain should start with Captain Beefheart and the Magic Band or perhaps Van Dyke Park's "Song Cycle"... Either that, or start with the audio track from Steven Hawking's "A Brief History of Time" show I saw on PBS where he's talking about time and gravity and multidimensions through his computer-voice-txlator (Hawking's got ALS and is pretty fully gimped out). I'm in/up/down for this remix thing. Where do I sign up? NP: Planet E Presents Intergalactic Beats compilation CD, 1992. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ==>> Niels Mayer (mayer@netcom.com) <<>> http://www.cybertribe.com/mayer <<== =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- Version: 2.6.3 mQCNAzJKOnMAAAEEAMD9U5YD2wiMJU7vUYq1uqBB9M2sf9CuOhHRM5oYTygDMQGP Ot928KtN3/2jHlYSmGHceZZYtCUdISievlNPD5+JgrHCtU3rFfvzWJuMsODGSoo1 X3csx0aEvAfkHh+fHWs04iU7Sm5t8fp31PP5DPf9KEJIsX2Y63ZBlPtktX29AAUR tCFOaWVscyBQLiBNYXllciA8bWF5ZXJAbmV0Y29tLmNvbT6JAJUDBRAySjpzdkGU +2S1fb0BAWT1BACH1GWBrkYufLb2KN5nyqB5r2TyqeqgNirOSpuQT9a4ozFAqSiM M8k+w+uj+VAMwugKdz9kL41thUCY+FI/jv4SPQzbwkY2mJs80YLJEqWA0OKUcI2F naYvMJo2zKS9jjAEX6hT5No4ZUK9hS8sREcHI2twdrJ66zExV3s6xUlSUQ== =RUx1 -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----

quoted 2 lines I think Bob Dylan is far too good! (i dont listen to him.. but i can

> I think Bob Dylan is far too good! (i dont listen to him.. but i can > respect him)now Celine Dion... i have no respect for her!

How about Nick Drake .. he was one hell of an interesting voice , although no bare vocal tracks come to mind that could be useful.

Greg Clow wrote:

quoted 13 lines This whole IDM remix chain idea is great, as is the idea of starting

> This whole IDM remix chain idea is great, as is the idea of starting > with > some piece o' crap "pop" song. > > But why not seperate them into *two* projects? > > Project 1: A remix chain starting with a track by someone on IDM and > continuing with mixes by other IDMers, a la Dot's "Endlessnessism". > > Project 2: Rather than a remix chain, have all musical IDMers > interested > in contributing pick some annoying, awful song of their choosing and > rework it into something IDM-like.

Theyre both good ideas, i think the chain remix. / awful song idea is still best though, it would be a lot more fun and less prone to moany IDM criticism! I think it would probably be a lot more motivating as well... plus we could stick them all on a cdr and have a highly illegal disc..... Steve /k/./F/ The Church Of England :- Killing Foreigners for Profit and Jesus

The whole pop to IDM was already partially done with the Nav Katze's "never mind the distortion" , it's a CD of remixes by The Black dog, Aphex Twin and others based on a japanese pop group; and you know what japanese pop sounds like ! :). mso imagine the results ... At least that was good, and was funny to listen too! I don't think any one can make an IDM remix of ANY celine Dion songs... without turning it into a real parody... Max. -- Maximilien Lincourt, B. info., Software developer "Animate Hard. Change The World. Die Free." ToonBoom Technologies Inc. phone 514 278 86 66 7, Laurier East fax 514 278 26 66 Montreal, Canada mailto:max@toonboom.com H2T 1E4 http://www.toonboom.com

quoted 2 lines based on a japanese pop group; and you know what

> based on a japanese pop group; and you know what > japanese pop sounds like ! :).

wellm i dont.... not really...

quoted 3 lines At least that was good, and was funny to listen too!

> At least that was good, and was funny to listen too! > I don't think any one can make an IDM remix of ANY celine Dion > songs... without turning it into a real parody...

Ladies an Gentlemen i think the challenge has been set! Steve /k/./F/ The Church Of England :- Killing Foreigners for Profit and Jesus

mult: Whoah too many people want to participate? Maybe we should have multiple remix projects. The song I'm suggesting we remix: The Princess Diana Funeral Ceremony Which is on CD for some reason...... I should start a chain. Yeah? Rusty

On Fri, 30 Jan 1998, Boffin wrote:

quoted 16 lines mult:

> mult: > > Whoah too many people want to participate? Maybe we should have multiple > remix projects. The song I'm suggesting we remix: > > The Princess Diana Funeral Ceremony > > Which is on CD for some reason...... > > I should start a chain. Yeah? > > > > > Rusty >

You have sort of been beaten to it I'm afraid. Chris Morris (Brass Eye & The Day Today) cut up the speech for the last instalement of his Blue Jam radio show/experiment/? on 1FM. It was the last thing on show 4 before the whole thing was faded out and replaced with show 1 which had been running at the same time (just in case he did somthing like that). Unless he did it himself! You can find out more about the man genius Morris on a web site dedicated to him (sorry don't know the URL try searching under Brass Eye) where they may have a transcript of the cut up. Very funny, if you have a sense of humour on this subject. Steve.N n.p. Nick Webb demo circa 93. Are you on this list Nick?

On a similar note, Stuck on the telly on wedenesday and tommorrows world was on. They were doing a follow up to the previous week where they experimented with a live internet jamming session. Because it was only a follow up, I didn't get all the details but someone, (that Dave Stewart chappie was involved) started with a piece of music and anyone that was watching the show and had the neccesary equipment, could join in. I'm sure it would have been a good buzz, pity the outcome sounded like rockers trying to make dance music though. John

Niels P. Mayer wrote:

quoted 10 lines I think the remix chain should start with Captain Beefheart and the

> > I think the remix chain should start with Captain Beefheart and the > Magic Band or perhaps Van Dyke Park's "Song Cycle"... > > Either that, or start with the audio track from Steven Hawking's "A > Brief History of Time" show I saw on PBS where he's talking about time > and gravity and multidimensions through his computer-voice-txlator > (Hawking's got ALS and is pretty fully gimped out). > > I'm in/up/down for this remix thing. Where do I sign up?

Actually, some folks on the ambient list at hyperreal were involved with a similar idea. There were two projects, one which was a continuous remix tape, and another which was just a series of tapes with original tracks, each participant adding their own piece. Unfortunately it really didn't seem to work out too well, because people would neglect to pass the tape on or would change email addresses without letting the list members know. I was part of the original submission chain but never received a single tape. A good idea but it requires 100% commitment from the participants or else it will tank halfway through. GD