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Re: (idm) Freeform: whats the deal there? (struggling)

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1998-01-21 08:25Franz Enmark Re: (idm) Freeform: whats the deal there? (struggling)
1998-01-21 18:51Re: (idm) Freeform: whats the deal there? (struggling)
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1998-01-21 08:25Franz EnmarkDear Robert, Dear All, This is (like all discussions about taste) a fairly worthless discu
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Re: (idm) Freeform: whats the deal there? (struggling)
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Dear Robert, Dear All, This is (like all discussions about taste) a fairly worthless discussion. I just have to say that unlike 90% of this list I'm not so overly impressed with Mr. Pykes work either. I don't find it very innovative nor "fresh". And I believe that I've heard enough electronic music to say that. A lot of my friends keep letting me know how brilliant Freeform is, but I've tried and tried and I just can't get it. And since these are very good friends with whom I usually agree on most points regarding music (Hi Aaron, Hi Brap :) it's really strange that Freeform doesn't do it for me. I've tried the Warp EP (which I sold), the Skam EP (which I gave to a friend) and the latest Worm Interface which a friend bought. And I still can't get it. I will probably end up buying the new album (there is one coming out, no? on Skam?) anyway, I will keep trying, there must be something that I've missed (like with Beaumont Hannat which I don't find interesting either although everyone else seem to praise him). That track on the Alt Frequencies compilation is the only thing that is somewhat appealing to me. Until then Freeform scores a pretty low point in my book. At 06:58 1998-01-21 +0100, Robert Merlak wrote:
quoted 2 lines I don't know what are you talking about, are you really talking about>I don't know what are you talking about, are you really talking about >Freeform. Simon makes so jazzy electronica, and he is one of the
I've tried and I just didn't hear any jazzy elements in his stuff, unless we've made jazz into an attitude instead of a genre of music. If you want "jazzy electronica" I advise you to pick up either the Argonort ep on Dot, anything by Funki Porcini or GFQ or the latest As One album on Mo Wax. For example. Now THERE'S Jazzy. All good.
quoted 2 lines finest new school electronica artists. It's hard to people to accept new>finest new school electronica artists. It's hard to people to accept new >freshhhh music, but I didn't expecti it here on IDM
Well. Expect it (not that has anything to do with THIS particular discussion). Anyway: This is somewhat of an insult, just because someone doesn't like Freeform (who in my ears isn't innovative at all) doesn't mean that he/she is a conservative, passive music listener. I've heard a lot of music through the years, both innovative (this isn't an universally appliciable thing but there are some artists or groups that we probably can agree on being innovative and groundbreaking, the Black Dog and Kraftwerk being two of em) and not, and I would most certainly put Freeform in the latter category. Sorry folks. It might be good music but you have to make it into separate things. I like Bola and Cylob (for example) but I wouldn't call it innovative just because of that. Innnovative and joyful listening are two different things. A lot of people on this list and elsewhere should realize that.
quoted 1 line You, like Shane obviously didn't hear much of his stuff. I hope so....>You, like Shane obviously didn't hear much of his stuff. I hope so....
Well. I've heard about half of his stuff (if you're interested in a discography, there's one on my page by Aaron S. Gregory...[shameless self-promotion, sorry] http://gargamel.com/frankie) so you've got nothing on me there Robbie. Switch on, switch off, Fe. inf: 908285 | F. ENMARK | SWEDEN = ) - =-= = pop: http://gargamel.com/plod -/ - - - ] www: http://gargamel.com/frankie = -.. =-= = .
1998-01-21 18:51robert.merlak@ri.tel.hr>>I don't know what are you talking about, are you really talking about >>Freeform. Simon
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Wed, 21 Jan 1998 19:51:38 +0100
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Re: (idm) Freeform: whats the deal there? (struggling)
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quoted 8 lines I don't know what are you talking about, are you really talking about>>I don't know what are you talking about, are you really talking about >>Freeform. Simon makes so jazzy electronica, and he is one of the > >I've tried and I just didn't hear any jazzy elements in his stuff, unless >we've made jazz into an attitude instead of a genre of music. >If you want "jazzy electronica" I advise you to pick up either the Argonort >ep on Dot, anything by Funki Porcini or GFQ or the latest As One album on >Mo Wax. For example. Now THERE'S Jazzy. All good.
Yeah that is jazz but Simon does really really really really jaz-jaz-jazzzy stuff as well. (i don't do strange faces and shake my toes while i listen to it without any reason)
quoted 9 lines Anyway: This is somewhat of an insult, just because someone doesn't like>Anyway: This is somewhat of an insult, just because someone doesn't like >Freeform (who in my ears isn't innovative at all) doesn't mean that he/she >is a conservative, passive music listener. I've heard a lot of music >through the years, both innovative (this isn't an universally appliciable >thing but there are some artists or groups that we probably can agree on >being innovative and groundbreaking, the Black Dog and Kraftwerk being two >of em) and not, and I would most certainly put Freeform in the latter >category. Sorry folks. It might be good music but you have to make it into >separate things.
You are putting Kraftwerk as inovative. That's like putting L.V. Bethowen (i don't even know how to spell it) as inovative. OK Black Dog is in our century so it's allright. (but Kraftw..... come on). You are promoting grandparents on the list and young people like Simon Pykes who are the next generations of music makers, you put them as LATTER category. Woow gee, thanks. C'mon , swich ON. Rob's bro. btw i've got nothing against Kraftwek it's was just an example.