On Sun, 5 Oct 1997, Andrew Cowper wrote:
quoted 1 line All the recent Moving Shadow that I've heard as been hard as nails techstep
> > All the recent Moving Shadow that I've heard as been hard as nails techstepquoted 3 lines There's a new tek9 2x12" which is nary a step, mostly jazz, on moving.
> There's a new tek9 2x12" which is nary a step, mostly jazz, on moving.
> Flytronix are occasionally on m.s. and seek out D. Wallace there too.
> I'm not quite sure what "jazz step" means though. But I know it aint hard.
Agreed. Not all recent Moving Shadow has been the dark stuff. Guardians
of Dalliance, Basic Unit and Hoax have all had more relaxed 12"'s out
lately. Personally, I prefer a lot of the darker stuff, but these three
12"s are still reccomended to those at the jazzier end...
quoted 3 lines You can count on Lemon D. to flash in jazzy bits tempered with never weak
> You can count on Lemon D. to flash in jazzy bits tempered with never weak
> beats. The Art of Noise remix 2x12" on China comes to mind as well...
> ...definately the softer side of 'sear' though.
Yeah, I was tempted to mention him, but his stuff varies so much and
it's hard to pick out the more jazzy stuff. I don't know about counting
on him to put in jazzy bits. His 12:01 track on Valve is one of the
hardest (and best) releases this year. 0% jazz. Some of his tracks, such
as City Lights from the Prototype Years, One Out of Many on the flip of
Dillinja's Acid Trak, the Change remix from the V album, Urban Style
Music on Metalheadz and his LA Fantasy track on the Cutting Edge comp
are all the right side of jazzy, but his temprament can't easily be
relied upon. His older Manhatten Melody track has a jazzy intro, but
this is probably not reccomended as 2 minutes later in come the hoover
basslines!
quoted 1 line np: source direct - enemy lines
> np: source direct - enemy lines
What's this like? Didn't much care for Computer State. Muted darkness, I
thought. Saw the new Housakai (a Source Direct alais) on promo and was
tempted as the last one (Black Rose) was excellent. If Enemy Lines is
any good, it may sway me...
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Andrew Cowper <acowper@dvcorp.com> wrote
quoted 2 lines You won't go wrong with good looking/looking good
> You won't go wrong with good looking/looking good
> however, and bukem has got a new label now called nexus (I think).
I don't know about not going wrong. Sometimes the Bukem label sound
strays a little too much towards cod-jazz with not enough step. I agree
that it's great to ease you into jungle/d'n'b though...
I wrote:
quoted 2 lines Earlier Jonny L releases (the 2 of Us
> > Earlier Jonny L releases (the 2 of Us
> > and This Time EP's in particular)
Andrew Hime <hime@kali.wf.net> wrote
quoted 3 lines Not too early Jonny L -- you'll get "Hurt U So" or "Ooh I Like It"
> Not too early Jonny L -- you'll get "Hurt U So" or "Ooh I Like It",
> which despite being insanely great seem to draw a barrage of criticism
> on this list.
Well, I meant early as in not the new Piper single (hard as nails), but
the forthcoming LP is probably more listener orientated. As for the old
stuff, I don't know about insanely great. I picked up an old 12" and it
was 'insanely shite' but each to their own!
quoted 1 line Are Strings' LP), early Omni Trio (the Vol 5 12" or Deepest Cut LP), or
> > Are Strings' LP), early Omni Trio (the Vol 5 12" or Deepest Cut LP), orquoted 1 line All of this stuff is great, though (haven't heard _There Are Strings_),
> All of this stuff is great, though (haven't heard _There Are Strings_),
Still their best album. 68 Million Shades was nice is places, but I
find this and their newer stuff to be really muddled - too many
ingredients in the mixture. One of the great things for drum and bass
for me is the sparseness of some of it. Later SHJ stuff is all over the
place. That Bank of America/Sunburst single is very odd indeed. Weird
distorted wailing does nothing much for me.
quoted 1 line and I'd recommend any and all music by these artists.
> and I'd recommend any and all music by these artists.
I'm not sure if I agree. I don't reccomend later Spring Heel Jack
stuff all that much (bar their Phosphorus remix). Ditto for Omni Trio,
who has been working to a formula for too long now. I'll reserve
judgement on the new Skeleton Keys LP, but the last few 12"s have been
pretty uninspiring (Trippin' On Broken Beats/Twin Town Karaoke). Haunted
Science was alright though.
quoted 2 lines So, if you're
> So, if you're
> just looking for jazzstep, go with his recommendations.
Cheers!
quoted 1 line If you're looking for good jungle get everything these artists have put out :)
> If you're looking for good jungle get everything these artists have put out :)
Good jungle = everything on V, Full Cycle and Dope Dragon. This is
some of the best music I've heard since I first started listening. I
contemplated stopping buying music for a while (which I do occassionaly
when the scenes seem to be getting stale) - the only thing that stopped
me was the output of Roni Size and crew (Krust, Die, and Suv). The New
Forms LP wasn't amazing (although I'm still waiting for that second set
of vinyl to come out) and the V album a little dissapointing too, but
all the 12"s have been classics.
quoted 1 line I don't know much about jazz, and I would say Photek's "Hidden Camera"
> I don't know much about jazz, and I would say Photek's "Hidden Camera"
I can't find much jazz in this release. Maybe in the drums. Sounds
more like Autechre to me. And not Autechre at their best, either. Hidden
Camera is overrated, I vastly prefer Ni-Ten-Ichi-Ryu (Two Swords
Technique) which is the perfect example of sparse, minimal and original
jungle. Still not that jazzy though. Has anyone reviewed the Modus
Operandi LP lately. I heard Smoke Rings off it, and it was good, but I
already have a few tracks on there (including the Ni-Ten B-Side, The
Fifth Column, which I thought was a bland version of the A Side) and the
vinyl is bloody expensive!
quoted 2 lines and a lot of Squarepusher strikes me as jazzy, but I'm sure you've
> and a lot of Squarepusher strikes me as jazzy, but I'm sure you've
> already got that stuff. :)
Jazzy yes? But 'step'? Only if you have mutated a few extra legs from
listening to his stuff too much :-)
Gotta go,
Gb.
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