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1997-05-02 06:43chrisTiaN.a.h.to all of you out there... need/want some recommendations regarding Black Dog. i have 'byt

From:: chrisTiaN.a.h. <godpup@ix.netcom.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Thu, 01 May 1997 23:43:59 -0700
Subject:: (idm) dogs and more

to all of you out there... need/want some recommendations regarding Black Dog. i have 'bytes' which i like A LOT. is "music for adverts" worth picking up? (i live pretty close to modern music, so getting/ordering stuff isn't a problem..) i also have jedi knight's "new school science," and was wondering what other groups are similar, but a bit "harder/avant-garde?" friday is payday. alec empire and reload on my "buy" list. suggestions??? (have muziq, pusher, autechre...) danke, chrisTiaN -- " Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formLessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundLessness. Thereby you can be the director of your opponent's fate. "

1997-05-02 11:23Henrik Andersson>need/want some recommendations regarding Black Dog. i have 'bytes' which >i like A LOT. i

From:: Henrik Andersson <Henrik.Andersson@abc.se>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:23:49 +0200 (MET DST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) dogs and more

quoted 2 lines need/want some recommendations regarding Black Dog. i have 'bytes' which

>need/want some recommendations regarding Black Dog. i have 'bytes' which >i like A LOT. is "music for adverts" worth picking up?

Black dog recomendations: All the Black dog albums (Spanners,Tempel of...,Parallel (except Music for adverts... it sux). Balil / Parasight EP (In my opinion ... The Best BDP/Plaid 12") Black dog / Black dog productions EP (RSN) (Buy it for the Excelent Flux track) Mind over rhythm meets the men from Plaid CD (3 Excelent Plaid tracks) It's all becoming clear / V/A CD (2 great Plaid tracks) Repeat / Repeat CD (Plaid/Broom/Hill Collaboration) Very Good Objets d'art 92::95 V/A CD (Buy it for the track: Balil / Whirling of Spirit) Plaid / Android EP (Clear) (4 great Plaid tracks) Applied Rhythmic Technology V/A CD (Buy it for the excelent Whriling... mix2) Plaid / Scoobs in Columbia 12" (Good) Plaid / Live (Stockholm -95) (Not released) Shadehead / Orange Sky / Analogue Phil 1 / G-thing (remix) / Clear Angry Dolphin / Analogue Phil 2 / Broom beats. (The Shadehead and Clear track are one of the best Plaid tracks I ever heard) (Interesed in a copy?? :) - mail me!) John Peel Session (BBC Radio One) -94 (Not released) Rue / Simpleton / Shade Head / Rise Up / Psil-Coysin (These 5 tracks are also very very good) The Best Black Dog / Plaid Remixes!!!! As one / Reflections on reflections CD ("Shambala" reflected by balil) ***** Studio Pressure / ? EP (The Plaid mix) ***** Reload / Autoreload EP2 ("Le Soleil Et La Mer" remixed by BDP") ***** Alter ego / Thanks Ahead (Bitten by Black dog mix) **** U.N.K.E.L / The time has come E.P CD5 (includes 2 Plaid mixes) **** Funkie Porcini / Ashbanapal's Big Pink Inflatable CD5 (one Plaid mix) *** Scalaland / Snow White Lies 12" (2 tracks remixed by Plaid) *** For more Black DOg info... Check up the Two Black Dog Discographys: http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/4thworld/ http://www.abc.se/~m9550/ /Henrik

1997-05-02 05:08Aaron MichelsonOn 2 May 1997 11:23 +0200 (-0300), Henrik Andersson wrote to me: > The Best Black Dog / Pl

From:: Aaron Michelson <aaron@defiant.on-it.net>
To:: Intelligent Dense Mush <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: 02 May 97 10:08:03 +0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) dogs and more
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On 2 May 1997 11:23 +0200 (-0300), Henrik Andersson wrote to me:

quoted 1 line The Best Black Dog / Plaid Remixes!!!!

> The Best Black Dog / Plaid Remixes!!!!

[snip] What happened to that excellent plaid remix of Perfection on the Softballetformsremix CD? Probably the best plaid track I've ever heard.... I think preserving the vocals on that track was a great idea, it sounds so sinister and smooth. Yummy! onnow: squarepusher "conumber" (spymania) Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong" For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.on-it.net/~aaron/ aaron@defiant.on-it.net

1997-05-02 11:01CheOn Fri, 2 May 1997, Henrik Andersson wrote: > >need/want some recommendations regarding Bl

From:: Che <zeus8@synthcom.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 2 May 1997 11:01:28 +0000 ()
Subject:: Re: (idm) dogs and more
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On Fri, 2 May 1997, Henrik Andersson wrote:

quoted 6 lines need/want some recommendations regarding Black Dog. i have 'bytes' which

> >need/want some recommendations regarding Black Dog. i have 'bytes' which > >i like A LOT. is "music for adverts" worth picking up? > > Black dog recomendations: > All the Black dog albums (Spanners,Tempel of...,Parallel (except Music for > adverts... it sux).

Say what? Music For Adverts is the BEST Black Dog album, hands down. It has maturity, cohesiveness and a very different sound. All the others just sound like a bunch of songs by different people with some seques trying to tie them together (though Bytes does the best job of tieing together, adn Temple Of Transparent Balls has the best songs. Spanners is cool in a difficult listening way (listen 10 times before you like, or love it). You'll go broke fast trying to track down all the remixes. I'd buy the albums, and the Reload Le Sol Et La Mer remix first. Che

1997-05-02 17:23Black Dog DroidDear Henrik, > it sux. well, thanks a lot for that. a nice impartial critique of a piece o

From:: Black Dog Droid <zoot@sparta.dogsquad.com>
To:: Henrik Andersson <Henrik.Andersson@abc.se>
Date:: Fri, 2 May 1997 18:23:18 +0100 (BST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) dogs and more
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Dear Henrik,

quoted 1 line it sux.

> it sux.

well, thanks a lot for that. a nice impartial critique of a piece of work that took me a year of my life to complete. you're entitled to your opinion (of course), but to belittle *my* solo LP to an interested newcomer in two words, deserves full flame factor 8. IMHO.

quoted 1 line It's all becoming clear / V/A CD (2 great Plaid tracks)

> It's all becoming clear / V/A CD (2 great Plaid tracks)

"its all becoming clear" where your allegiance is. "Music for adverts" represents the "NEW" Black Dog sound. those that don't like that can fuck off and buy plaid and aphex records to their hearts content. it's a free world. really. Ken -- + . /\___/\ . * | < The Black Dog > | + * . . * . . * (. .) + | | . * . * + ___ooO__\-/__Ooo___ | | + + + + . /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ | Dogma >> | http://www.feedback.com/tbd/ * 3-5-3 * (Dis)information > | tbd@feedback.com

1997-05-02 20:20Ben CofferIn message <m0wNM3C-000UxdC@sparta.dogsquad.com>, Black Dog Droid <zoot@sparta.dogsquad.co

From:: Ben Coffer <ben@hybridgame.demon.co.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 2 May 1997 21:20:31 +0100
Subject:: Re: (idm) dogs and more
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In message <m0wNM3C-000UxdC@sparta.dogsquad.com>, Black Dog Droid <zoot@sparta.dogsquad.com> writes

quoted 3 lines "Music for adverts" represents the "NEW" Black Dog sound.

>"Music for adverts" represents the "NEW" Black Dog sound. >those that don't like that can fuck off and buy plaid and >aphex records to their hearts content. it's a free world.

Well I like all three, so where does that leave me? -- Ben Coffer Hybrid Productions http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/

1997-05-04 18:22Mikko KarvonenOn 02-May-97, Black Dog Droid wrote: >"Music for adverts" represents the "NEW" Black Dog s

From:: Mikko Karvonen <yolk@sci.fi>
To:: Intelligent Dance Music <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sun, 04 May 1997 20:22:48 +0200
Subject:: Re: (idm) dogs and more
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On 02-May-97, Black Dog Droid wrote:

quoted 3 lines "Music for adverts" represents the "NEW" Black Dog sound.

>"Music for adverts" represents the "NEW" Black Dog sound. >those that don't like that can fuck off and buy plaid and >aphex records to their hearts content. it's a free world.

OTOH, aphex's "richard d. james album" represents the "NEW" Aphex Twin sound and many people don't seem to like that either... (for the record, I do like it) regs, -- .Mikko

1997-05-04 11:13Aaron MichelsonOn 04 May 1997 20:22 +0200 (-0300), Mikko Karvonen wrote to me: > OTOH, aphex's "richard d

From:: Aaron Michelson <aaron@defiant.on-it.net>
To:: Mikko Karvonen <yolk@sci.fi>, Intelligent Dense Mush <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: 04 May 97 16:13:01 +0500
Subject:: Re: (idm) dogs and more
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On 04 May 1997 20:22 +0200 (-0300), Mikko Karvonen wrote to me:

quoted 3 lines OTOH, aphex's "richard d. james album" represents the "NEW" Aphex

> OTOH, aphex's "richard d. james album" represents the "NEW" Aphex Twin sound > and many people don't seem to like that either... (for the record, I do like > it)

Bah.... rdj has been getting facelifts from day one. From the ambient doodles of saw1, organic soundscapes of saw2, hardtrance of polygon window and splintering shrapnel of Ventolin. I've always felt Black Dog have had a consistently appealing and challenging sound.... while rdj's releases were neato flavours of the month. Here's an odd analogy: if IDM was a carbohydrate, rdj would be a sweet candy floss, and black dog would be a big, freshly-baked loaf of wheat bread. :) onnow: sunscreem (mmm, candy floss....) Lame Thread Prevention in Effect: Aaron Michelson --------------------------------------------------------------------- aw-teck'r (autechre) "Everything you Know is Wrong" For reviews, interviews, art & trash http://www.on-it.net/~aaron/ aaron@defiant.on-it.net

1997-05-02 20:23Subconscious GeographyAt 23:43 01/05/97 -0700, you wrote: >need/want some recommendations regarding Black Dog. i

From:: Subconscious Geography <artist@sub-con-geo.demon.co.uk>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Fri, 02 May 1997 21:23:53 +0100
Subject:: Re: (idm) dogs and more

At 23:43 01/05/97 -0700, you wrote:

quoted 2 lines need/want some recommendations regarding Black Dog. i have 'bytes' which

>need/want some recommendations regarding Black Dog. i have 'bytes' which >i like A LOT. is "music for adverts" worth picking up?

i'm going to say yes on this one. maybe it doesn't stand up to the bytes lp, which is after all the best record anyone will ever make on this planet, but for me it has something which is unique amongst a deluge of formula-driven clinical muzak. plaid may make pleasing noises, but it doesn't have very much that resonates *within* me, it just sounds way too cold and academic to even compare to the classic tbd material, which adverts is a great deal closer to imho. i think adverts is a lot better than the people here on idm give it credit for. it might have dull production in places, but production isn't everything, and at least ken is playing with the formulas, trying to make something new

quoted 2 lines also have jedi knight's "new school science," and was wondering what

>also have jedi knight's "new school science," and was wondering what >other groups are similar, but a bit "harder/avant-garde?"

drexciya drexciya drexciya start with molecular enhancement, then go onto the unknown aquazone

quoted 1 line friday is payday. alec empire and reload on my "buy" list.

>friday is payday. alec empire and reload on my "buy" list.

suggestions??? (have

quoted 1 line muziq, pusher, autechre...)

>muziq, pusher, autechre...)

reload is a must buy, whether it's the short stories lp or the new archive ep. alec empire, well i don't see much appeal in his records. you could do a lot worse than the new lps by squarepusher autechre or as one. or get hold of herbie hancock's headhunters lp which is on a reissue at the moment, and discover where all these techno guys stole their ideas from ;-) np - arpeggiator - the durutti column ~~~ Through universes of worlds of shadows, S G the subconscious geography remains a constant. ~~~ Makyo 622AD

1997-05-03 05:28wrecktangleOn Fri, 2 May 1997, it was written: ]you're entitled to your opinion ](of course), but to

From:: wrecktangle <nworth1@gl.umbc.edu>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sat, 3 May 1997 01:28:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject:: Re: (idm) dogs and more

On Fri, 2 May 1997, it was written: ]you're entitled to your opinion ](of course), but to belittle *my* ]solo LP to an interested newcomer ]in two words, deserves full flame ]factor 8. IMHO. ... ]"Music for adverts" represents the "NEW" Black Dog sound. ]those that don't like that can fuck off and buy plaid and ]aphex records to their hearts content. it's a free world. Even though you've attained formidable respect in the electronic music community, you let *one* person's opinion rattle you _this_ much? breathe deeply. bake muffins. procure a foot massage. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] [[ go to http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~nworth1/ to download free music, fork. ]] [[][][][ wrecktangle sez: "Walk softly and carry a big spliff." ][][][]] [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]

1997-05-03 11:12Black Dog DroidHi Ben, Hi People, >> it's a free world. > Well I like all three, so where does that leave

From:: Black Dog Droid <zoot@sparta.dogsquad.com>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sat, 3 May 1997 12:12:26 +0100 (BST)
Subject:: Re: (idm) dogs and more

Hi Ben, Hi People,

quoted 1 line it's a free world.

>> it's a free world.

> Well I like all three, so where does that leave me? at liberty to choose. To a lot of people i appear bitter and angry, i realise that. To them i would say that I am just standing up for my rights as an independent and free willed artist. And yes, i *am* bloody angry. BUT I'VE BEEN LIKE THAT SINCE BIRTH. I am going to shut up now, I've said my piece, and i've got constructive things like live gigs, and new material to prepare. Some of you will probably 'dislike' me even more after this latest outburst, but I'm ultimately not bothered, as it's not about "sales". You may 'vote me off' the list if you wish, as I don't even feel like an IDM musician anymore. The boundaries of "what is acceptable" have become too fixed, and the same old pap is being trundled out for your delectations. It's sad. The music of TBD is the music of deserts, hills, and sacred groves. The spaces of contemplative humanity. Beyond the day to day press of so called civilisation, and hangable autobulbs. Those that "dig the sound", will dig the sound. And i thank them for that. Cheers, Ken ps, your 'reply' boinged. please send me a tape, though TBD is (currently) full. -- + . /\___/\ . * | < The Black Dog > | + * . . * . . * (. .) + | | . * . * + ___ooO__\-/__Ooo___ | | + + + + . /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ | Dogma >> | http://www.feedback.com/tbd/ * 3-5-3 * (Dis)information > | tbd@feedback.com

1997-05-03 10:21s.f.w.d.> To a lot of people i appear bitter and angry, i realise > that. To them i would say that

From:: s.f.w.d. <brap@sonic.net>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.com>
Date:: Sat, 3 May 1997 10:21:31 +0000
Subject:: Re: (idm) dogs and more
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quoted 5 lines To a lot of people i appear bitter and angry, i realise

> To a lot of people i appear bitter and angry, i realise > that. To them i would say that I am just standing up for > my rights as an independent and free willed artist. And > yes, i *am* bloody angry. BUT I'VE BEEN LIKE THAT SINCE > BIRTH.

You're right, you do appear so, but hell, so do most people here =)

quoted 7 lines The music of TBD is the music of deserts, hills, and

> The music of TBD is the music of deserts, hills, and > sacred groves. The spaces of contemplative humanity. > Beyond the day to day press of so called civilisation, > and hangable autobulbs. > > Those that "dig the sound", will dig the sound. And > i thank them for that.

Well, I got Spanners a while back (rather unfortunately for me on vinyl, as cd would have allowed me to listen to it @ work... just don't understand why they will let me have a cd player, but no turntable there...) I REALLY liked (like, I suppose, as I'm in a perpetual state of like with this album) it... as somewhat hokey as the above 'of deserts, hills and sacred grooves' description sounds, its sort of what I got from it. I feel comfortable grouping Autechre & Aphex together, but (at least with this particular release) TBD is just different. Comparision is futile. Like comparing Atari Teenage Riot to a Rozz Williams spoken word... ANYWAYS... what other Black Dog would one recommend in this vein... (yes, I know that I did just miss a big old thread on Black Dog releases...) Any leads would be greatly appreciated (selling off stuffs today for credit @ a local store, TBD being one of my 'top o' the list items') Completely unrelated and probably setting myself up for a flame or two, I listened to a RealAudio broadcast of the Orb last night... It was pretty damn good... __________________________________________ sfwd@sonic.net LToN DiY Noise.Ambient.Techno.Industrial HomeRecordings & Such 4 Cheap ($3) http://www.sonic.net/~brap/ (add your wasted time to our catalog)

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