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(idm) Re: CZ-101 = personal preference.

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1996-05-06 20:29fEEd Re: (idm) CZ101?
1996-05-07 04:03GD Re: (idm) CZ101?
└─ 1996-05-07 04:56globalwm@gate.net (idm) Re: CZ-101 = personal preference.
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1996-05-06 20:29fEEdOn Mon, 6 May 1996 15:13:41 -0700, jsd@cyborganic.com wrote... >i doubt if any k2000 owner
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On Mon, 6 May 1996 15:13:41 -0700, jsd@cyborganic.com wrote...
quoted 2 lines i doubt if any k2000 owner would actually voice those opinions. the whole>i doubt if any k2000 owner would actually voice those opinions. the whole >thing from sonic quality to ui design is a model of amazingness.
Jon, I think you have to give other people's opinions a little more credit. I have known plenty of people who have used and\or bought k2000s and came away saying "ick". Me being one of them. I know you find this hard to believe, but alot of people think differently than you do. Now this does not mean that you are a moron for liking a k2000 or that my opinion is better than yours, I am just saying that the k2000 is not for everybody. Blanket statements rarely bear close scrutiny.
quoted 4 lines let's please>let's please >look at it realistically, in the context of living in 1996 and all that... >it has very poor sound quality with a pretty blatant noise floor, the low >end is really sloppy,
Funny, you just described my EMS Synthi AKS. And that is considered one of the best synths ever made by many people. And my PPG2.3, prophet 5, memorymoog and Oberheim 2 voice. All considered to be some of the best ever by a large portion of the synth crowd. But i guess none of those stand up when "living in 1996 and all that".
quoted 1 line and it just plain Doesn't Do Much.>and it just plain Doesn't Do Much.
Well i can name (tho i won't) quite a few successful producers (that everyone here would recognize) of electronic music that would totally disagree with you here. It might not do much for you, but for quite a few people it works quite nicely.
quoted 6 lines I have the CZ-1 which corrects all of these limitations and I think it rocks.>>I have the CZ-1 which corrects all of these limitations and I think it rocks. >>I always program velocity response to some (one or more) aspect of the >>sound, and get a lot of motion in sounds. And maybe it's just me, I >>love the sounds, find it easy to edit yadda yadda. > >it's easy to edit because it doesn't do much.
Someone needs a lesson in FM (or phase modulation or whatever casio calls their flavor of it). A lesson in being open minded might help as well.
quoted 1 line i promise to take any future rounds of this to email...>i promise to take any future rounds of this to email...
please do. It is great for people wanting to get into music to ask advice about what to get, but my advice is to take all the reccomendations you see on the net with a grain of salt. Alot of producers can be pretty closed minded about music and will try to make you think there is only 1 way to do things. that is simply not true. The only way to make music is to do it in a way that is comfortable to the producer, and only you can decide what that way is. Certainly take into account gear discussions but if at all possible try the various pieces of gear out yourself before you buy. What works for kent will not work for me and what works for me certainly does not work for jon. Find out what works for you through personal experience, not simply by listening to another producer's biases. Use advice as simply that: advice. not as law. Rob - excuse the typos, I am in a perpetual hurry http://www.umn.edu/nlhome/m211/feed/ (new songs, new pics, same old crap) "The patch in fig. 2-23 gives the sound of a cracking whip. (Why don't you try to synthesize some screams to go along with it?)" - Roland Model 104 Sequencer Manual
1996-05-07 04:03GDfEEd wrote: [snip] > out yourself before you buy. What works for kent will not work for me
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fEEd wrote: [snip]
quoted 4 lines out yourself before you buy. What works for kent will not work for me and what> out yourself before you buy. What works for kent will not work for me and what > works for me certainly does not work for jon. Find out what works for you > through personal experience, not simply by listening to another producer's > biases. Use advice as simply that: advice. not as law.
True, much of what gear one likes is personal preference, and that's why some people will like/dislike certain pieces of equipment. Jon gave very good reasons for dissing the CZ101 and Kent gave very good reasons for defending it - there's nothing wrong with a little bit of disagreement. Perhaps one of the indicators of this is the variety found in idm releases - compare the sounds Jonah Sharp likes with those Mark Clifford seems to prefer. If you ask me, the Korg Trinity beats both the K2000 and CZ101... GD
1996-05-07 04:56globalwm@gate.netOn Mon, 6 May 1996, GD wrote: > True, much of what gear one likes is personal preference,
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On Mon, 6 May 1996, GD wrote:
quoted 2 lines True, much of what gear one likes is personal preference, and that's why some people> True, much of what gear one likes is personal preference, and that's why some people > will like/dislike certain pieces of equipment.
- there's nothing wrong with
quoted 1 line a little bit of disagreement.> a little bit of disagreement.
Sounds like the Ambient list to me. Peoples tastes vary. For every one person that *favorably* reviews something, there are allways people who *disliked* it as well. Nobody's wrong. I personally enjoy the views of both camps as well. - Anthony