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1996-03-22 09:11Sugatis (idm) Pitch up, pitch down, pitch all round...
├─ 1996-03-23 01:44Brian Willoughby (idm) Re: Pitch up, pitch down, pitch all round...
└─ 1996-03-23 15:30Mark Kolmar Re: (idm) Pitch up, pitch down, pitch all round...
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1996-03-22 09:11SugatisNow see here. If I were to do a recording as a music artist, I would certainly intend for
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Now see here. If I were to do a recording as a music artist, I would certainly intend for someone to get a specific kind of listening experience out of it (even if it were me, which, if I were to record music, it surely would be), and for this I would set a certain tempo and pitch to my music at which it would be played back in order to acheive the desired effect. This would in my opinion be counteracted by playing back the recording at half speed or 118x speed or whatever... while it would make for some neat fuel for Cagean musique concrete. But hey, the point is, don't have debates here over what sounds better when played at what speed... it's ok if you want to pitch things in wierd ways, but you know, the songs weren't really designed that way, now were they?
1996-03-23 01:44Brian Willoughby| From: sugatis@inreach.inreach.com (Sugatis) | | it's ok if you want to pitch things in w
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| From: sugatis@inreach.inreach.com (Sugatis) | | it's ok if you want to pitch things in wierd ways, but you know, | the songs weren't really designed that way, now were they? That's a good question. If I were listening to your release(s) [Sugatis], then the answer is YES: they are intended to be interpreted at the speed they were intended, even if high-speed mastering were used during recording. However, I am not certain that RDJ intends for his music to be listened to at a predetermined rate. I've not had the pleasure of hearing him spin, but as a DJ, wouldn't it be possible that the Twin might intend for his music to be listened to over a range of pitches/rates? He is certainly aware of pitchable turntables, and might even notice that an unreleased song of his sounds good with the sequencer set anywhere from 100 to 140 bpm. Perhaps 33 1/3 or 45 rpm is just a choice to set the default rate and allow maximum freedom to alter the pitch. Food for thought, anyway. As an example, I didn't hear much difference between the afx fast mix and afx slow mix of time to find me by seefeel. When I play the afx slow mix at 45 rpm, it has a jungle flavor, as if "slow" means that the 33 1/3 rpm on the label is too "slow" for that song and 45 rpm is how it was intended. For now, I can only guess. On that note, there are some electronic artists who have been hoping to get technology into the home which is much more advanced than today's CD player. These artists hope to provide raw tracks and sounds on CD with a default mix or two which arranges those sounds. People with simpler players would only hear the standard song, but people who have knowledge of the advanced features could get into the mix and drop tracks completely out, make tonal changes, perhaps even rearrange the song entirely. With new technology being developed that holds 16 times as much information on the same CD, this could really work. I'll admit that these artists are on the creative edge of music, but so are most IDM artists. In any event, there will always be artists who have specific intentions for their music. There is nothing wrong with this in my opinion - it just illustrates that there are as many ways to create music as there are styles of music which happen to share common creation techniques. Brian Willoughby
1996-03-23 15:30Mark Kolmar> Now see here. If I were to do a recording as a music artist, I would > certainly intend
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quoted 3 lines Now see here. If I were to do a recording as a music artist, I would> Now see here. If I were to do a recording as a music artist, I would > certainly intend for someone to get a specific kind of listening experience > out of it
I can't speak for all composers, but I agree. You invoke the name of Cage in your message. Cage wrote a large number of compositions which are indeterminate -- the result for each performance can be as much a surprise to the composer and players as to the audience. This is a principle which can easily be applied to IDM (esp. in a live setting). I'm not sure Cage wrote music with a specific effect in mind, but I do think he had "a specific kind of listening experience" in mind.
quoted 4 lines But hey, the point is, don't have debates> But hey, the point is, don't have debates > here over what sounds better when played at what speed... it's ok if you > want to pitch things in wierd ways, but you know, the songs weren't really > designed that way, now were they?
The tricky part is you can't always tell! As for intentions, if it's already accepted that the DJ will fuck with the record, why not give the DJ something that will stretch a few different ways?