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I don't suggest BUYING the record or anything, but try and catch Duran Duran with mel-e mel on MTV. A rather catchy driving number, but not enough of the old school guys, too much lipstick pouting. Why isn't anyone begging those old school guys to make tracks? I want to hear Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five rhyming over Drexciya. Come on! -- "After the election, we in the US find ourselves plagued by a confederacy of assholes. Welcome to the Redneck Nation! After you've kicked kids out of public housing, and stopped feeding them, whether or not you gut their schools is, shall we say, academic." - Kent Williams [kent.williams@cadsi.com]

On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Kent Williams wrote:

quoted 7 lines I don't suggest BUYING the record or anything, but try and catch Duran Duran

> I don't suggest BUYING the record or anything, but try and catch Duran Duran > with mel-e mel on MTV. A rather catchy driving number, but not enough of > the old school guys, too much lipstick pouting. > > Why isn't anyone begging those old school guys to make tracks? I want to > hear Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five rhyming over Drexciya. Come on! >

this totally pisses me off....if (as i've heard) the song that DD cover is 'white lines' then they can fuck off -- here's the Furious Five rallying against the thing that is hurting their communities - and the Duran covering a song that is against *everything they stood for* in the eighties - mainly greed and abuse of cocaine and wealth. Duran Duran *suck* for this move. Hypocrites. ObIDM: Found at tower outlet yesterday for a measly $4 - 'Blueprint' by WildPlanet on Warp. Nice, somewhat hard, kinda experimental techno - there's some great stuff here, all dancefloor based (some nice acid stuff here)...haven't listened to it all yet but when i do...i'll let ya know. :) mikebee ps - kent - this is in no way meant as a flame to you. :)

On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Michel Battaglia wrote:

quoted 6 lines this totally pisses me off....if (as i've heard) the song that DD cover

> this totally pisses me off....if (as i've heard) the song that DD cover > is 'white lines' then they can fuck off -- here's the Furious Five > rallying against the thing that is hurting their communities - and the > Duran covering a song that is against *everything they stood for* in the > eighties - mainly greed and abuse of cocaine and wealth. Duran Duran > *suck* for this move. Hypocrites.

Two points and an obIDM: (1) Duran Duran didn't stand for anything in the eighties. They were a pop music band. They still are. Their output is fluff. (I happen to like them, but I like pop-music-fluff sometimes.) (2) Grandmaster Flash and Melle Mel readily admit to having been cocaine addicts when they wrote and recorded this song originally. Hypocrites? ObIDM: Thanks to all who recommended the St. Etienne single to me. It's very enjoyable, though the Dust Bros. mix was a little disappointing. - Adam J Weitzman Individual, Inc. weitzman@individual.com "Music, music, everywhere, but not a drop to drink." - Little Annie

quoted 3 lines (1) Duran Duran didn't stand for anything in the eighties. They were a

> (1) Duran Duran didn't stand for anything in the eighties. They were a > pop music band. They still are. Their output is fluff. (I happen to like > them, but I like pop-music-fluff sometimes.)

I disagree with this - pop fluff, yes, but they were of a group of bands who epitomize eighties excess.

quoted 4 lines (2) Grandmaster Flash and Melle Mel readily admit to having been cocaine

> > (2) Grandmaster Flash and Melle Mel readily admit to having been cocaine > addicts when they wrote and recorded this song originally. Hypocrites? >

Hmm, if this is the case - i stand corrected. apologies. mikebee

On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Michel Battaglia wrote:

quoted 6 lines (1) Duran Duran didn't stand for anything in the eighties. They were a

> > (1) Duran Duran didn't stand for anything in the eighties. They were a > > pop music band. They still are. Their output is fluff. (I happen to like > > them, but I like pop-music-fluff sometimes.) > > I disagree with this - pop fluff, yes, but they were of a group of bands > who epitomize eighties excess.

I suppose it depends what you mean by "eighties excess". To me, their early work epitomizes the post-Roxy/post-Ultavox "New Romantic" pop movement. And the music videos they appeared in were unsurpassed at the time, helped define what pop music video is (for better or worse), and still stand as excellent examples. What they stood for is pop, art, pop-art, art-pop, and fashion. Unfortunately they haven't fulfilled the promise that _Rio_ made. I would not be at all surprised to find out that they were into the Sugarhill thing when it first happened. I'll buy the covers album (_Thank You_, due in April I believe). Any which way, I'm sure their motivation was to give due respect to the various originators. Frankly, they're not big enough anymore to be self-important hypocrites, so they must be doing it out of the love of the music.

I really hate to carry this on for too much longer...But I was (and suppose still am) a pretty big DD fan, and I can accept this, if I keep imagining this scenerio in my mind: Simon and the Taylors drinking too much and listening to Japan, and saying things like "If David Sylvian was a little more dancefloor and not so musicly highbrow...This band could control America!" Thus... A high concept was forged...and it was just a shame I couldn't discover the innovators before... "They believed in sex and looking good, with their own brand of music, they were wondering...Which side of the fence they were on..." Cameron in AntPaint On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Mark Kolmar wrote:

quoted 24 lines On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Michel Battaglia wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Michel Battaglia wrote: > > > > (1) Duran Duran didn't stand for anything in the eighties. They were a > > > pop music band. They still are. Their output is fluff. (I happen to like > > > them, but I like pop-music-fluff sometimes.) > > > > I disagree with this - pop fluff, yes, but they were of a group of bands > > who epitomize eighties excess. > > I suppose it depends what you mean by "eighties excess". To me, their > early work epitomizes the post-Roxy/post-Ultavox "New Romantic" pop > movement. And the music videos they appeared in were unsurpassed at the > time, helped define what pop music video is (for better or worse), and > still stand as excellent examples. What they stood for is pop, art, > pop-art, art-pop, and fashion. Unfortunately they haven't fulfilled the > promise that _Rio_ made. > > I would not be at all surprised to find out that they were into the > Sugarhill thing when it first happened. I'll buy the covers album (_Thank > You_, due in April I believe). Any which way, I'm sure their motivation > was to give due respect to the various originators. Frankly, they're not > big enough anymore to be self-important hypocrites, so they must be doing > it out of the love of the music. >

On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Mark Kolmar wrote:

quoted 1 line On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Michel Battaglia wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Michel Battaglia wrote:

quoted 4 lines Any which way, I'm sure their motivation was to give due respect to the

> Any which way, I'm sure their motivation was to give due respect to the > various originators. Frankly, they're not big enough anymore to be > self-important hypocrites, so they must be doing it out of the love of > the music.

Doubt it. I see it as the last gasp of a bunch of losers who can't write they're own stuff anymore. A stroke of marketing genius to put these has-beens on the charts once more. "WHite Lines" is a classic song that crossed over usual musical borders. Virtually everyone liked (likes) this song when it was out. Creatively, these guys are done... Peace. On now: "Pandora's Box" Megalon ||| oo- | ThE fLoAtInG hEaD oN < "Beats and bytes, baby. | tHe RoLlInG wAvEs Of = Beats and bytes..." | ThE cYbErSeA........

On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Kent Williams wrote:

quoted 3 lines I don't suggest BUYING the record or anything, but try and catch Duran Duran

> I don't suggest BUYING the record or anything, but try and catch Duran Duran > with mel-e mel on MTV. A rather catchy driving number, but not enough of > the old school guys, too much lipstick pouting.

Actually I plan on buying it when it comes out domestic - that cover is in my opinion pretty incredible, and I can't wait to hear them also do "911 is a Joke" or "Watching the Detectives". Is this IDM? Uh, no, sorry about that, but this will hopefully be inspiration enough for other bands to start doing more covers, including IDM bands. A wishlist of sorts: band: cover: FSOL Star Spangled Banner (as covered by Jimi Hendrix) Autechre Planet Rock Richard Kirk The Banana Boat song Okay, I'll quit wasting bandwidth.... Brian

On Thu, 23 Mar 1995 08:59:24 -0600, Kent Williams <cadsi.com!kent@elvis.cadsi.com> wrote:

quoted 3 lines I don't suggest BUYING the record or anything, but try and catch Duran Duran

>I don't suggest BUYING the record or anything, but try and catch Duran Duran >with mel-e mel on MTV. A rather catchy driving number, but not enough of >the old school guys, too much lipstick pouting.

needless to say I was SHOCKED when I saw this video a few night ago. White Lines (the song they are redoing) was one of my all time faves back in jr. high when old school rap was my thing. I am not saying I hate the cover (tho i mostly do), it just surprised the hell out of me to see Duran Duran shaking there booties to it on Mtv.

quoted 2 lines Why isn't anyone begging those old school guys to make tracks? I want to

>Why isn't anyone begging those old school guys to make tracks? I want to >hear Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five rhyming over Drexciya. Come on!

I asked Slick Rick to be on one of my tracks, but he is in the pen. I learned that on Mtv as well. Rob fEEd/>tEMpESt<\mAnNA/>BPS<\fEEd@maroon.tc.umn.edu/>robw@ivi.com http://www.ivi.com/~robw (under construction) "FILTER MAINTENANCE- After every 100 hours of operation apply a sine wave to the output of the FILTER to back flush the trapped overtones to unclog your filter." - EML 101 Manual

quoted 1 line FSOL Star Spangled Banner (as covered by Jimi Hendrix)

> FSOL Star Spangled Banner (as covered by Jimi Hendrix)

Actually they've probably already covered it and you missed it. Makes me want to dig out my copy of Woodstock and do it myself. And I bought my copy of Woodstock in 1971, so I have some creditability left ... not one of those born-in-72, saw themselves on mtv types .... -- kent.williams@cadsi.com -- All views expressed are. "The problem with evolution is that humans with undesirable traits reproduce before said traits catch up with them. That's why we still have people who ride motorcycles without helmets, Cybersell Inc. and Newt Gingrich."

quoted 3 lines FSOL Star Spangled Banner (as covered by Jimi Hendrix)

>> FSOL Star Spangled Banner (as covered by Jimi Hendrix) >Actually they've probably already covered it and you missed it. Makes me >want to dig out my copy of Woodstock and do it myself.

:) *only* on IDM. god i love this place. Teep

On Thu, 23 Mar 1995, Alphabet wrote:

quoted 4 lines I like the track anyway.

> > > I like the track anyway. > Duran Duran are a bunch of pansies, yes.

I said nothing about them being pansies. I liked them just as much if not more thatn everyone else.

quoted 13 lines But White Lines is a kick ass track. The cover is a nostalgic experience.

> But White Lines is a kick ass track. The cover is a nostalgic experience. > I dont care if it is a hypocritical thing for them (DD) to do. I am sure > Melle Mel and The Furious Five didn't worry TOO much about the coke in > the eighties either. They were just making breakdance music. > > The original White Lines sold like hell to the clubs in which all the > coke freaks danced. It is just the same as all the techno crap that > promotes acid and extasy and cocaine. So what is the big deal if DD > promoted coke in the 80's? Half the artists we listen to are all infavor > of the rampant use of psychedelics. > > Where is the true hypocrisy here? >

Correct me if i'm wrong but the subtitle of 'white lines' is '(Don't Do It)' -- the song is an *ANTI-COKE* song - it doesn't *promote* the drug at all... What are you on about? mikebee

quoted 3 lines Correct me if i'm wrong but the subtitle of 'white lines' is '(Don

>Correct me if i'm wrong but the subtitle of 'white lines' is '(Don't Do >It)' -- the song is an *ANTI-COKE* song - it doesn't *promote* the drug >at all...

The actual subtitle is "Don't Don't Do It" - the possible irony of the double-negative not being lost on at least a few people at the time. C. -- cspot@hyperreal.com (Chris.Hilker) ...electro-spiritual in composition...