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Alex Reynolds
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Tue, 10 Apr 2001 16:35:16 -0400
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[idm] scientists, critics, and chimpanzees
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quoted 8 lines Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:31:38 -0400 (EDT)> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:31:38 -0400 (EDT) > From: damek@earthling.net > >..Well, the medical profession has degrees and memberships, etc., but >that's different. As far as artistic fields like music, sculpture, >theatre, painting, lighting designer - the true recognition of the >quality of the artist seems to simply be the recogntion and >measurement of one's peers, which can change over time.
you'd be shocked. getting published (the nearest equivalent to a "musical performance") in established journals in medicine (medical research, that is) is based on a process more subjective and political than you'd think, despite science being thought as an objective endeavor. scientists are very protective about their pet ideas and set conceptions about How The World Works, and when they become editors at these mags -- like any situation where someone is in a situation to make big decisions -- you'll find that a lot of high-level science articles that don't make the cut often conflict with the editor's perspective ("the data here are inconclusive, doesn't support this claim, etc.") -- and without publication, funding and tenure for the renegade scientist can get dropped (no "MTV-level exposure"). likewise you see people at music magazines, people with big mouths like me, who shoot down musical ideas because they don't like them, but they're in an excellent position to voice and distribute their opinions, whereas Real Independent Musicians are generally pretty busy touring or focused on the business of Making Music, and Fuck The Critics. i suppose one solution is to make and review your own work in the big publications -- holding down a couple of legal names if necessary -- if you're looking to maximize your exposure. if a scientific idea is truly earth-shattering in proportion, it will be recognized, given enough patience, just like in music -- look how long it took sun ra to get some play time on NPR, after all. i think it might have been niels bohr who said something to the effect that you have to wait for the old guard to die before they listen to you. either that or you die first and then become respectable. i suppose one larger question to this list is, in the purest creative sense, if you make music, what is it about others' opinions -- what is it about the performance aspect of standing in front of a crowd that validates the music? i go to some of these electronic music shows and the social aspect of this stuff simply can't be swept under the rug. i wonder if people go to these shows because we're monkeys and we want to be in "experimental artsy elitist electronic music tribes" or "trance techno rave tribes" or "banjo, fiddle and jug tribes". i wonder if the music is really there to validate or reinforce this primal behavior, and not the other way around. maybe we're looking in the wrong direction. -a. -- Alex Reynolds Biology LSP / SAS Computing 15 Mudd Building http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~reynolda/ Department of Biology mailto:reynolda@sas.upenn.edu University of Pennsylvania V +1 215 573.2818 Philadelphia, PA 19104-6228 USA F +1 215 898.8780 ------------------------------------------------------------------- "It is retrograde to clone -- there are other ways of making people identical. We can put them through the same schools and subject them to eight hours of TV every day. That works a lot better. Why do you think Americans are buying SUVs?" -S. Willadsen, Wired, 2/01 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org