Know what you are saying, but i think they LIKE the "loop". And its not like
they are looping like f-ing house music or anything, they have very complex
beats and well thought hints of melody and what not. I would beleive that Ae
started (or at least helped start) the era of "beat heads" in IDM, those
more concerned with creating a Fucked Up and sick beat rather than make a
"pop" song (see here what Morr Music calls alot of their stuff....pop) with
a keyboard. Its just a different approach to music all together; there are
only so many patterns that one can arange notes in, but with technology,
beats can be scewed all together and made cool. And i dont think that their
songs are one simple loop, they tweak and screw with shit all the time and
play with custom filters and gains that Plaid (or the pop likes) would NEVER
touch, most likely out of fear that the beat would overtake the melody
etc......
There is SOME actuall song patterns in their shit. I loved that first Peel
session, the first track is killer, and that was made in what, 96?94?
something like that, i dont have the record in front of me...but with plaid
and all that "subgenre", i find myself getting bored of the same melodies
and cord proggresions. Dont get me wrong, i love me some Plaid, but i can
get "gasp" bored of the stuff. I got only about two weeks of enjoyment out
of Trainer, then i got really bored with it.
I see what you are saying though, that AE need to add new elements, but i
dont think that it is in their nature to follow any type of song structure.
I contend that the perfected mix between the beat peeps and the "song" peeps
would be found in all this amazing German sish that has been coming out
since 98 (all your Arovane, Phonem, Kleine, Morr, CCO, etc......). It doesnt
seem like this list talks enough about those types, they are who are doing
the true "groundbreaking" stuff. Mr Perkins creates awsome "ae styled"
breaks and loops, but can write a flooring melody that merges with it well.
AE, Plaid, Aphex set up some amazing bit of ground work, but i think only ae
is still making stuff worth listening to over and over and over because they
are making you think about what you listen to in a song; there is a quality
of space in their music that challenges your notion of "right" and "left"
and makes me at least picture sounds coming from far left-left, or
near-left-upper-right. They make great DHS for your head :)
benine
"my escelator stops for calling in sick.....hahahahaha"
unedited,unre-read, un-spell checked to keep it somewhat honest, as allways.
quoted 61 lines From: "Gilly" <galaxey@sdccu.net>
>From: "Gilly" <galaxey@sdccu.net>
>To: "Benjamin McDonald" <warpfan@hotmail.com>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
>Subject: Re: re:stupidest thing ever posted
>Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 18:00:25 -0800
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Benjamin McDonald <warpfan@hotmail.com>
>To: <galaxey@sdccu.net>; <idm@hyperreal.org>
>Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 10:57 AM
>Subject: re:stupidest thing ever posted
>
>
>: whoa, got to throw my hat into the ring on this one.
>: "they havent changed their formulas at all"? HUH? Did you buy EP7? Did
>you
>: buy lp5? neither are anything alike or anything like amber or Tri, hince
>why
>: they "alienated" fans.
>
>I have everything they've put out (or close to it:)
>
>If you want to talk about people who havnet changed
>: formulas, talk about Plaid or something...
>
>
>
>not Autechre/ they are thinking of
>: music in ways that alot of people cant grasp yet (sort of like what
>: Jenkinson is doing w/his stuff).
>
>
>the thing (formula) i'm referring to that Ae can never seem to change is
>the
>constant LOOP!
>Seem like almost everything they do, even LP5 is creat a killer loop and
>then edit that loop
>and re-edit and re edit and then record all that as a 5-8minute track.
>
>
>Plaid, they write music with structures more like pop musicians do
>begining,
>middle, end. (like a rock band may write verse-chorus, verse chorus, verse-
>chorus, chorus, chorus, chorus) Plaid will write an intro, nice harmony,
>dancey rhythm, break change in mood, return to harmony/melody.
>Ae loop loop looop loop looop loop.
>I like Ae, but to me they don't push the envolope like the majority of the
>list think they do. Their music is distinct, sounds darker than most
>artists
>imho, has it's own rhythmic uniqueness, but doesn't really go anywhere once
>that is established (within the first 20seconds of the 6+minute tune) One
>Plaid track can cross a number of genres within it's 6minute framework.
>
>
>Aphex, 'fucker hasn't written anything good since ON... he's done, over,
>finito....
>
>
>g
>
>
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