Uhm I tried to hold back and say nothing here...but I just can't help myself
because it's monday and as and evil label fucking over all you IDMers I
couldn't control myself ;)
seriously guys, there are way more costs to putting out a record than the
pressing..in fact the pressing is the least expensive in a lot of ways
here are some basic label economic for those of you who either want to start
a label and those of you who think we are sitting back in out limos with
cocaine and hookers makin mad bucks off the backs of our artists and fans
1) cost of the record (cd 2-3 bucks) why so much you ask..dont forget about
colour booklets jewlcases, special packaging and shrink wrapping....
2)royalties: I suppose the artist deserves a pay check around $2.00
3) mechanical royalties (yup more than one kind) .50-.75
4)advertising (not just in print ads, but in the US ya got to pay the chains
to put records in proper spots, listening posts etc..oh yeah, those "sales"
at Tower..uhm it's the label that pays for that too...we take less money
when that happens
5)promos..radio, press, your mother
6)returns and overstock...we aint that popular , ya know and all those
records that dont get bought, well we take back and build sculpture with
them..pretty maybe, but no too lucrative
7)distributors..they take 20-25% of the price they sell it for
8)stores, well they need to make money too
9)vinyl is REALLY HEAVY..shipping, duties, custom brokers
10) what about the phone and the email and the web page and the money we
need to feed ourselves and the rent and the computers and and ..
I suppose my point here is that we aint selling millions, ..I wish we could
sell them for less and compete better with the majors . We really would
rather charge you less but that's what it costs. I am not sure which labels
you are talking about who's charging you under 10 bucks..but I hazard a
guess that if they are indie..well then someone is bank rolling them to
loose cash (like mom or dad). Remember most of the music you guys like is
pretty obscure..so it's a labour of love for the label that is putting it
out. If ya want to bootleg (and I DONT mean making a copy of some out of
print record, or even a copy for that unemployed friend who would never buy
the record anyway) please don't justify it with the argument that we are
fucking you over...cause if this is fucking, then I want to join a convent
-luv ninja phil
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quoted 5 lines From: kurt <supine@bway.net>>From: kurt <supine@bway.net>
>To: idm@hyperreal.org
>Subject: (idm) MiniDisc or CDR?
>Date: Sun, Nov 28, 1999, 4:43 PM
>quoted 30 lines small idm labels aren't run by shrewd businessmen tired of>>small idm labels aren't run by shrewd businessmen tired of
>>making their fortune on wall st.,
>
> But, correct me if I'm wrong:
> The price of CD's (of whatever genre) is an inflated skam to begin with:
> those who recall the moment during the 80's when CD's came along will also
> recall that LP's cost $7 or so. CD's, so exciting, so cutting-edge, came
> along costing $25. Within a year, the standard price drifted down to about
> $15, where it's stayed ever since, and vinyl was eliminated from the mass
> market. Of course the price of manufacturing a CD has plummeted since then,
> but this savings was not passed along to the consumer.
>
> then we come to IDM...no, you're not going to find it on sale at Tower for
> $9.99, but the list price for CDs doesn't seem extraordinary.
> unfortunately, a lot of stuff is only available as ridiculously overpriced
> vinyl. $10 for a 12" single continually strikes me as way over the top.
> Especially when you consider that the production cost on a lot of this
> stuff must be pretty low: no session musicians, and most stuff gets
> recorded and sometimes even mastered in people's home studios.
>
> most problematic is that one needs a nice changing pile of IDM to keep
> things fresh, and that pile is going to cost you hundreds or thousands of
> dollars...
>
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