quoted 3 lines ordinary noises/ideas on there at all. I think the brown LP really>>> ordinary noises/ideas on there at all. I think the brown LP really
>>> pushed the limits of techno - you'll never hear anything with as much
>>> groove, melody or depth of sound that it has.quoted 2 lines Hardly. 808 State- Ninety & Utd. State Ninety, and Ex:el, both of which>> Hardly. 808 State- Ninety & Utd. State Ninety, and Ex:el, both of which
>> pre- date the "brown album" by about 3 years.
Sorry, don't agree. I have Ninety and Ex:el, and wicked as they both
are, they still don't beat the brown album for grooves that build and
build with melody and rhythm. 808 are completely responsible for getting
me into rave/techno/house/acid or whatever you want to call it, but
you've got to agree that their albums are a bit on the patchy side.
Ex:el especially. There's some great tracks on it - Qmart, Techno Bell,
In Yer Face, Cubik etc, but fuck Bernard Sumner - his voice is weak and
boring, and New Order were, on the whole, a bag of steaming shite. 90 is
more coherent, but it's still not made for playing really really loud
and just nodding your head to. The brown album is one of the most
perfect albums ever made - everything is structured for maximum effect,
within the tracks, and their order. And it's proper club music, not like
the stuff which they do now, which can't seem to make it's mind up what
it wants to be.
quoted 1 line and newbuild (1988)> and newbuild (1988)
Now we're getting closer, but even this has its annoying moments.
quoted 1 line and quadrastate (1988 - 89)> and quadrastate (1988 - 89)
Never picked this one up. Heard lots about it though.
quoted 5 lines done when the hartnolls> done when the hartnolls
> were having trouble figuring out how to sample from disaster movies (in the
> form of DS Building Contractors), 808 state were already sampling the
> headhunters band with psychedelic perfection - orbital aren't fit to lick
> their boots!
Oribtal might not be 'the pioneers', but sometimes even the pioneers
have their asses kicked! Well and truly in this particular case.
quoted 2 lines as for who's making better music now, unfortunately that's a> as for who's making better music now, unfortunately that's a
> more close-run thing :-(
Again, I disagree. In Sides and that Saint travesty (and probably the
Event Horizon soundtrack from what I've heard) were very poor indeed. I
expected the Saint to be dire, but In Sides was a big dissapointment.
Even on Snivilisation they were floundering a bit. The Box is alright,
but still a bit "lets see what we can do with this harpsichord preset on
this Proteus module". A definate regression. On the Brown album the
music lives by itself, whereas In Sides it is on emergency breathing
aparatus...
The new 808 stuff I've heard on the other hand hasn't been so bad
(Azura was quite unexpectedly nice) although I've haven't heard the LP.
Gb.
np: The Fall - Perverted By Language
PS And the Brown album's the only LP on which a digeridoo sounds good
and part of the music - not just some hippies save the trees/smoke the
weed bullshit trip. And that's some feat.