Matt, welcome to the "Sick of hype" IDM club :)
I totally agree with you. There are far too many
people that aren't critical enough or are afraid to be
honest about the quality of a release. You will often
get flamed if you diss a release by a favored IDM
artists, even if the release sucks...because of some
hero worship issue or insecurity.
As Lance, pointed out...what some people will think is
crap others will love. That's fine and dandy, but that
doesn't mean people should feel obligated to be
silent.
I think we should discuss the music for what we like
about it and dislike.
People on this list should be "INTELLIGENT" enough to
handle different opinions and not get flamed for being
honest.
Note: The use of "intelligent" is not refering to
music, but rather to the faculty of thought or reason.
PS - The Indio cd isn't that good?
--- AeOtaku@aol.com wrote:
quoted 95 lines Has anybody else just about reached the end of
> Has anybody else just about reached the end of
> their rope in tolerating _BAD_ IDM releases?
> It seems that an absolute flood of them are out
> now, and while in past times people seemed a bit
> more candid on the list about them, now it seems
> when a release gets publicized and people buy it
> and don't like it, they don't say anything, and so
> everyone else makes the same mistake of picking
> it up and not liking it. I'm not suggesting flames,
> unnecessary slagging, or anything of that sort,
> I'm just pointing out that if we take time to praise
> a release for being exceptional (see recent
> deservedly
> favorable reviews of Boulderdash) we should also
> just post quick notes about releases we didn't like
> so people don't have to just trust five paragraph
> ramblings on mail order lists (or, as the woman in
> the
> video store in Clerks so rightly put it
> (paraphrase): "They say so
> much, but they never tell you if it's any good.")
> After all,
> we all know how it is to get a huge pile of stuff to
> find out
> 50% of it is forgettable (seems to happen to me
> every month).
> So, in order to do my part, here's some stuff that's
> gotten
> publicity lately that I found either average (or
> worse).
>
> most of the Schematic label releases
> most of the 20' to 2000 series
> Num Num: Unknown Sources 10" (Toytronic)
> Aspen: Are You That Retail Snob? CD (Involve)
> Gimmik: Random Access 12" (Worm Interface)
> Quench: A Journey Into Electronix CD (U-Cover)
> Schlammpeitziger: (long title I forget off-hand) LP
> (Entenpfuhl)
> Gamers In Exile: Whippin' Time 7" (Unbearable) - and
> to think I publicized
> this one!
> Iyunx Productions: The Duckie Dirty Bird EP 12"
> (Isophlux)
> Alder and Elius: Bionic Vagina 12" (Skam)
> Don't Dolby: Don't Dolby 05 CD (Gefriem)
> A. Krause: Schwellwert CD (BMB Labs)
> Broadcast: Echo's Answer 7" (Warp)
> Kit Clayton: Repetition and Nonsense CD (Drop Beat)
> Indio CD (Transmat)
>
> And I could go on and on like this (and intend to
> later). I just would like
> to encourage more _INTELLIGENT_, yet critical music
> discussion on this list. I don't want to name names,
> but
> I think a lot of the people on here (especially
> radio show
> types) are afraid to say anything negative about a
> record
> because they know the producers and are either their
> friend (and don't want to hurt a friend) or don't
> want to stop
> getting free promos from the label. This sort of
> partisan
> musical criticism is only detrimental, dishonest and
> damaging.
> I, for one, am tired of being posed the choice of
> either missing
> out on a release and never getting to hear it or
> having to spend
> $20 on a gamble. Come on, people. And also, to any
> producers
> listed above, many of you (Schlammpeitziger, Aspen,
> Mike Ink)
> have very, very good releases out as well, and I
> would just like to
> encourage quality control. Take a look at Detroit
> Escalator Company
> or Nuron: quality control pays off both in building
> an authentic fanbase,
> garnering critical respect, and being remembered in
> five years.
> Remember, Markant gets a lot of flack on this list
> (which I think to
> some extent is warranted as he is a polarized
> example of some of
> the issues in IDM today) but there are a lot of
> records that get
> praised on here that are FAR worse than Markant.
>
> Matt
> np Black Dog: Parallel CD (GPR)
> No Virginia, they don't make much music like
> this anymore.
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