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From:
Mark Kolmar
To:
Greg Earle
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Date:
Sun, 9 Jun 1996 17:12:37 -0500 (CDT)
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Re: (idm) Re: lines 'n' stuff (plus bonus meat beat 'n' download review)
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Nothing is random. Or rather nothing is more random than anything else. You can create a series of numbers which looks and smells completely random using a very simple deterministic formula. If anything appears random to you, it is only that you are so far unable to discern the pattern. The fact that Hanatarash and VOG line your shelves does tell me more of where you are coming from. I lean toward Merzbow, Aube or John Duncan as that sort of thing goes. Your description of Download as R2D2 gone mad is apt, but it is by no means aimless. How would you know order if you ever saw it if not for chaos? How would you know quiet and rest if not for noise and turmoil? Read the liner notes for The Eyes of Stanley Pain. A French philosopher has made this point better than I. --Mark -- "We invented machines in order to reduce our work. Now that we have them, we think we should go on working." -- John Cage On Sat, 8 Jun 1996, Greg Earle wrote:
quoted 15 lines On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Mark Kolmar pleaded:> > On Tue, 4 Jun 1996, Mark Kolmar pleaded: > >> What's wrong with chaos in a techno/idm context? Flex your ears man! > >> Abandon the dance for a time, just sit back and let your head spin. > >> Sometimes nothing is more satisfying than struggling to grab onto some > >> kind of solid foundation. But that's just me. > > Having seen both Throbbing Gristle live as well as Masonna, and having bands > like Violent Onsen Geisha and Hanatarash lining my shelves, I think I'm more > than well versed in Chaos, thank you. There's organized Chaos - Jesus & Mary > Chain's "Psychocandy", for example - and there's meandering, aimless Chaos. > > The early Download material contains aimless Chaos. There are songs which I'd > describe as nothing more than R2D2 gone mad. This isn't constructive ear > flexing boundary-breaking stuff, it's just randomness. I think I know the > difference by now.