On Fri, 3 Feb 1995, implode wrote:
quoted 12 lines On Fri, 3 Feb 1995 gsi2174@gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU wrote:>
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> On Fri, 3 Feb 1995 gsi2174@gsaix2.cc.GaSoU.EDU wrote:
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> > > Industrial artists pionered techno and ambient? How bout that..
> > > Maybe you should inform the rest of the world of your discovery.
> >
> > have you ever heard throbbing gristle, the hafler trio, zoviet france,
> > clock dva, tag the anti group, etc?
> >
>
> Yes, They're all very dull. What's your point?
While i find the Hafler trio and Zoviet France overated pretentious
noise, Clock DVA are OK, but Throbbing Gristle are true pioneers in
expeimental electronic music. Check out their track "Adrenalin" (sp?) off
of TG's Greatest Hits (tongue in cheek name BTW) circa 1978. They were
twidling knobs when Richard James was in diapers! Not to mention the
talented offshoots Coil and Psychic Tv (I know, they suck lately).
quoted 10 lines i'm a little sick of hearing the phrase 'industrial artists with a clue'> > i'm a little sick of hearing the phrase 'industrial artists with a clue'
> > to indicate electronic music artists who change their styles. i think
> > these artists have more of a clue than a majority of music artists out
> > there. look at zoviet france and horizon 222. look at front line assembly
> > and delerium. i think some of these artists have more talent and can
> > produce music of a greater variety than the majority of techno music
> > artists.
>
> Funny how when indsutrial artists started crossing over, the industrial
> crowd would complain that they were too 'techno' or 'disco-like'
There are poseurs in every scene, but you are being elitist. I wasn't
aware that you had to be from Detroit to like techno. The majority of my
industrial pals also like techno.
> > >
quoted 15 lines It's prbably even more likely that industrial happened ALONGSIDE techno> > > It's prbably even more likely that industrial happened ALONGSIDE techno
> > > and ambient (with barely either ackowledging each other scarce for a few
> > > early crossovers).
> >
> > no. techno didn't really usher forth until 88 when the detroit innovators
> > really brought the whole thing out of their little secret closet. you could
> > glance to kraftwerk, cybotron and many others though. as for ambience,
> > it's only just now become popular. sure you had music artists all through
> > the 70's and 80's producing ambient music (brian eno, robert rich, and
> > too many possible for me to name).
> >
> > plus there is the whole klaus schulze, tangerine dream, manuel gottsching
> > electronic thing that went on...where does that fit in?
>
> I don't know. I don(t think it fits in at all.
Tsk Tsk such ignorance!
quoted 1 line without industrial there would be no techno.> > without industrial there would be no techno.
Well lets not exaggerate!
quoted 2 lines Without industrial, techno probably would have happened a bit sooner,> Without industrial, techno probably would have happened a bit sooner,
> actually. (No fear of being 'dancey' in sight)
I don't know how to say this without being impolite but.. you sir, have
an attitude problem! Every single person I know that likes industrial
music also like to DANCE ! What the fuck to you think you do in a club
that plays industrial stuff? Some of the nicest kindest people i know are
rivet-heads and they are certainly more open-minded than you. I guess I
shouldn't assume that most people that like techno (IDM included) are
ravers that also respect other peoples opinions. I'm actually so steamed
by your ignorance that I don't think i'm making the point I wanted too.
Ahhhhhhhhhhh <deep breath>. That's better. On a similar note may I
suggest that anyone reading this checks out Einstuzende Neubauten. Any of
their last three albums have many IDMish qualities to them. The funny
thing is that they use natural metallic percussion and found sounds but
no samplers really. I especially recmend the album with the white cover
(Feunf Auf Der Nach Oben Offen Richtaskala ...I think!). This is one of
the albums that got me interested in mellower 'ambient' music along with
Throbbing Gristle.
PLUR
Sandy at Tribe303
Not on now but wish it was: Global Chillage (to calm me down!)
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