Re: (idm) Necessary IDM albums /Thoughts on Ischemic folks
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From: "david turgeon" <eerie@mnemonic.net>
To: "Nick Rejack" <nrejack@mailandnews.com>
Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: (idm) Necessary IDM albums /Thoughts on Ischemic folks
quoted 1 line Minimal for me always meant minimal effort. Come on, its difficult to> > Minimal for me always meant minimal effort. Come on, its difficult to
listen
quoted 6 lines to. Don't you feel cool becuase you like it?> > to. Don't you feel cool becuase you like it?
>
> hmm? minimal is difficult to listen to? god, i wonder what's EASY. i
> usually listen to minimal techno when i want to have music i don't have
> to think about. it's my alternative to silence. i wouldn't call that
> difficult music.
Yes, minimal can be difficult to listen to, if you want to sit and just
listen. There is a lot more going on in, say, Mouse on Mars's Niun Niggung
or Hrvatski's latest than anything on Chain Reaction. I'm not slagging it
off though. It certainly has its place as ambience. I can appreciate Jake
Mandell's Healing CDR as auditory wallpaper for example, or the muted body
funk of Porter Ricks.
quoted 15 lines this is the funniest overgeneralization someone can make about>this is the funniest overgeneralization someone can make about
>'difficult music': that people listen to it merely because they feel
>it's going to give them some social status.
> 'difficult music': that people listen to it merely because they feel
> it's going to give them some social status. if that is so, well, EVERY
> kind of music is going to influence your social perception anyway, &
> difficult music (let me toss in electroacoustics, noise, free jazz,
> glitchies & other weird stuffs which i happen to love dearly), by being
> so demanding, does not allow one to take it too lightly, so that problem
> is much more likely to happen with 'easy listenable' genres such as
> house, drum n bass, name it. i've never encountered a single person who
> buys stacks of weird records just because they think it'll make them
> cool. & if they do, it's their problem, not the music's. what usually
> happens is that someone will buy something they know they won't
> understand right away, in a genuine wish to broaden their musical
knowledge.
quoted 6 lines once again a marginal problem gets the spotlight & the music that it's>
> once again a marginal problem gets the spotlight & the music that it's
> associated with gets mistaken as the cause of the problem.
>
> one more: difficulty in music is EXACTLY what sprouted that metagenre
> still called 'idm'. if you dismiss it, you're being contradictory.
I don't dismiss difficulty in music at all. I enjoy harsh noise (Pan Sonic,
Vanio, Vaiasanen, Farmer's Manual, Merzbow) for the pure sonic assault, and
I can appreciate the different textures and timbres these artists create. I
enjoy "microscopic" (12k/Raster/Noton) for the minimal, mind clearing
qualities. I'm not disagreeing with you here at all, in fact I'm
wholeheartedly agreeing. I just think you missed the point. Difficulty in
music (and non-music sound, but that's an argument for another day)
definetely has its place, but there is a lot of wannabe slag out there that
makes it difficult to see the gems.
nrejack
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