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as well as sote [warp] and machine drum [merck] .....what a show! basura. echolocation.fm/distracted

Anybody know anything about the opening act at last Friday's FUNKSTÖRUNG show in SF (the guy before Sote)? I presume it was an artist named Comute (supposedly on M3rck, but no mention of him on their site). I really liked what I heard and want to hear more. -chachi

quoted 10 lines From: Melangenoir@aol.com

> From: Melangenoir@aol.com > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:45:18 EDT > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] FUNKSTÖRUNG 6/14 SF date cancelled? > > as well as sote [warp] and machine drum [merck] .....what a show! > > basura. > echolocation.fm/distracted >

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that was actually Sote, and in my opinion was the most impressive act of the night. i could NOT believe what i was hearing... he spins at 26mix once or twice a month, hopefully he'll start doing more live sets in the same vein as what he did friday night.. oh, and he might start doing Iran Chef (a play on iron chef) on local access, i'll hopefully be helping out.. it's an iranian cooking show. watch us cook! watch us play hardcore techno records! watch us eat the food and dance! -kiya iamacopierltd. From: Donald <donald@wallrichlandi.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 11:18 AM Subject: [idm] Who was that? FUNKSTÖRUNG 6/13 in SF Anybody know anything about the opening act at last Friday's FUNKSTÖRUNG show in SF (the guy before Sote)? I presume it was an artist named Comute (supposedly on M3rck, but no mention of him on their site). I really liked what I heard and want to hear more. -chachi

quoted 10 lines From: Melangenoir@aol.com

> From: Melangenoir@aol.com > Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:45:18 EDT > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] FUNKSTÖRUNG 6/14 SF date cancelled? > > as well as sote [warp] and machine drum [merck] .....what a show! > > basura. > echolocation.fm/distracted >

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Nope, I know who Sote is, I played a show with him a few months ago in Sacramento,CA - big guy, impressive beard, hard-fckn'core music. No, I'm talking about the guy who played before him (shorter, skinny guy, played some huge stuttering electro beats consumed with layers and layers of melodic washes, had a partner on-stage with him during the last half of the set). I thought his set and the 8fm set were brilliant. Sote's industrial gabber set sent me outside (I'm not trying to hate, I've seen him perform a much better, radically different set just a few months ago), Machine Drum was impressive but reminded me of a less disciplined Prefuse 73, and FUNKSTÖRUNG was predictably great but ruined by these fruity middle-aged gothic ravers dancing next to me who thought they were in the Matrix or some shit. People, I know IDM is hard to dance to, but that does not give you license to prance around some Renaissance Fair/Tai Chi/Pee-pee dance. That shit is embarrassing! Sorry for the tangent, but please, if anyone knows who that opening act was (or can at least verify that the artist's name is Comute) please let me know. Thanks. -chachi

quoted 58 lines From: "kiya \"i am a copier\" babzani" <denial@ix.netcom.com>

> From: "kiya \"i am a copier\" babzani" <denial@ix.netcom.com> > Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 11:35:36 -0700 > To: "idm list" <idm@hyperreal.org> > Subject: Re: [idm] Who was that? FUNKSTÖRUNG 6/13 in SF > > that was actually Sote, > and in my opinion was the most impressive act of the night. > i could NOT believe what i was hearing... > he spins at 26mix once or twice a month, hopefully he'll start doing more live > sets in the same vein > as what he did friday night.. > oh, and he might start doing Iran Chef (a play on iron chef) on local access, > i'll hopefully be > helping out.. > it's an iranian cooking show. > watch us cook! > watch us play hardcore techno records! > watch us eat the food and dance! > > -kiya > iamacopierltd. > > > > From: Donald <donald@wallrichlandi.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 11:18 AM > Subject: [idm] Who was that? FUNKSTÖRUNG 6/13 in SF > > > Anybody know anything about the opening act at last Friday's FUNKSTÖRUNG > show in SF (the guy before Sote)? I presume it was an artist named Comute > (supposedly on M3rck, but no mention of him on their site). I really liked > what I heard and want to hear more. > > -chachi > >> From: Melangenoir@aol.com >> Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 22:45:18 EDT >> To: idm@hyperreal.org >> Subject: Re: [idm] FUNKSTÖRUNG 6/14 SF date cancelled? >> >> as well as sote [warp] and machine drum [merck] .....what a show! >> >> basura. >> echolocation.fm/distracted >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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Hello there, I throw 3-4 events that require me to be creative and think of new people to book on a regular basis...I am trying to update my database of people that play in the area so if you play IDM/Glitch Hop/Experimental/Ambient/Electro(not future breaks)/Minimal Techno/and of course Hard Techno please contact me and let me know where I can listen to you or come by one of the events and drop a cd by I would greatly appreciate it have a great day claire p.s.-even if you are out of towners that may be coming around you can contact me also I just don't fly people out you know how it is:) ===== "People who think they know everything are very irritating to those of us who do" Unknown __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Donald wrote:

quoted 2 lines Sote's industrial gabber set sent me outside (I'm not trying to hate, I've

> Sote's industrial gabber set sent me outside (I'm not trying to hate, I've > seen him perform a much better, radically different set just a few months

It was mostly Venetian Snares, i walked in to the Befriend a childkiller rmx from "Find Candace" and thought "MY PEOPLE!" There were like 3 tracks from "Doll Doll Doll" also. It was nice to hear this music at the volume for which it was intended :) I chilled at the back sipping my water through most of Sote's set and realized after a while that I was sitting next to Kit Clayton! He was very nice and alleviated my fears of coming off like a groveling fanboy even though I gushed about "Lateral Forces" and the production on the new GC album a bit too effusively. 8fm I liked best when he was doing the heavy ragga/breakbeat influenced stuff.

quoted 2 lines ago), Machine Drum was impressive but reminded me of a less disciplined

> ago), Machine Drum was impressive but reminded me of a less disciplined > Prefuse 73, and FUNKSTÖRUNG was predictably great but ruined by these fruity

Good lord that machinedrum set rocked me, i was right up in front by the left speaker for the whole thing and despite his two laptop crashes and the speaker glitching out (in a bad way) I was still thoroughly impressed.

quoted 4 lines middle-aged gothic ravers dancing next to me who thought they were in the

> middle-aged gothic ravers dancing next to me who thought they were in the > Matrix or some shit. People, I know IDM is hard to dance to, but that does > not give you license to prance around some Renaissance Fair/Tai Chi/Pee-pee > dance. That shit is embarrassing!

Preach it brother. My girl, a longtime clubber, put the kibosh on their freaky activities by non-subtly standing in their way glaring at 'em, but unfortunately wasn't able to maintain presence through the whole set. But damn, it was a good show. Loved the Prince->Speedy J closer. -- Eric Sorenson - EXPLOSIVE Networking - http://explosive.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

--- Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> wrote:

quoted 1 line On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Donald wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Donald wrote:

FUNKST?RUNG was predictably great but ruined by these

quoted 13 lines fruity

> fruity > > middle-aged gothic ravers dancing next to me who thought they were in > the > > Matrix or some shit. People, I know IDM is hard to dance to, but that > does > > not give you license to prance around some Renaissance Fair/Tai > Chi/Pee-pee > > dance. That shit is embarrassing! > > Preach it brother. My girl, a longtime clubber, put the kibosh on their > freaky activities by non-subtly standing in their way glaring at 'em, > but unfortunately wasn't able to maintain presence through the whole > set. But damn, it was a good show. Loved the Prince->Speedy J closer.

I'd say that dancing at all is better then what I saw a lot of people at the FUNKST?RUNG show doing i.e. standing around with their arms crossed frowning and starring at the performers like a bunch of super serious snobs. I mean it is called intelligent DANCE music not intelligent SNOB music. Does it really bother you that much to see someone else having a good time and dancing to the music that they love. I'd say it's your attitude that's embarrassing not the danceing that me and my friends did. -charles http://mp3.com/groundchuckles __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Charles Freeman wrote:

quoted 7 lines I'd say that dancing at all is better then what I saw a lot of people at

> I'd say that dancing at all is better then what I saw a lot of people at > the FUNKSTÖRUNG show doing i.e. standing around with their arms crossed > frowning and starring at the performers like a bunch of super serious > snobs. I mean it is called intelligent DANCE music not intelligent SNOB > music. Does it really bother you that much to see someone else having a > good time and dancing to the music that they love. I'd say it's your > attitude that's embarrassing not the danceing that me and my friends did.

Hahaha, I was getting my groove on, make no mistake, I just wasn't making an ass of myself in the process. If you think snobbery's not as much a part of IDM as dancing... Pooh on you! Fishnet or velvet, sweetie, NOT BOTH. -- Eric Sorenson - EXPLOSIVE Networking - http://explosive.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Seems I touched on a sensitive topic. To clarify, I have no qualms with people dancing their ass off however they like at any show - people should dance - it makes the whole experience more enjoyable (I know I was getting down). The issue I was trying to address is this recurring phenomena of people doing this Tai Chi 'calling of the spirits' thing at IDM shows (maybe they do that dance everywhere and I only see them at IDM shows?). For one, it strikes me as odd that a music so rich with rhythm inspires folks to do this slow-motion psychedelic martial arts thing. Secondly, there's a reason people do Tai Chi in the park (or in the grass seats at a Phish concert) - it takes up space. It's pretty rude (and selfish) to expect the people around you who shelled out their $15 to see their heroes perform to have to accommodate your haphazard slo-mo kung-fu spirit circle, especially in such a small venue. Whatever, it's not my mission in life to be the dance police. If the divine spirit is telling you to prance around like David Carradine on mescaline then by all means. Just don't shoot me because my mom dresses me funny. -chachi

quoted 39 lines From: Charles Freeman <charliefree@yahoo.com>

> From: Charles Freeman <charliefree@yahoo.com> > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:50:05 -0700 (PDT) > To: Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> > Cc: Donald <donald@wallrichlandi.com>, idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> > Subject: [idm] Re: dancing vs. snobing > > --- Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> wrote: >> Hahaha, I was getting my groove on, make no mistake, I just wasn't >> making an ass of myself in the process. If you think snobbery's not as >> much a part of IDM as dancing... Pooh on you! Fishnet or velvet, >> sweetie, NOT BOTH. > > OK, From now on let?s call it ISM. > > Because of people like you, snobbery is a part of the idm scene just as it > is a part of every scene. However, I'm a firm believer in our ability as a > community to seek out and destroy you and your cohorts. Take this as a > warning. All people seen snobing around will be shot. All people seen > wearing boring clothing that their mothers bought for them will be shot. > > As far as fashion taste, it seems to me that my friend Magnus? outfit > (fishnet shirt, etc.) which he designed and sewed himself was a hell of a > lot more creative then the black sweatshirt and converse sneakers that > seems to be the standard uniform you snobs aspire to. It also seems to me > that people who think of themselves as being on the cutting edge of music > would be a little bit more open to creativity that isn?t based on the > status quo. > > -charles > http://mp3.com/groundchuckles > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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They do it everywhere. Hip hop shows. Indie shows. Punk shows. No matter where you go, people are still releasing their "inner hippie." Man I tell you, if Bob Wier and Phish played out more often, none of this woulda happened ... the humanity! pardong the snobing, dave On Tue, 17 Jun 2003, Chachi Jones wrote:

quoted 66 lines Seems I touched on a sensitive topic. To clarify, I have no qualms with

> Seems I touched on a sensitive topic. To clarify, I have no qualms with > people dancing their ass off however they like at any show - people should > dance - it makes the whole experience more enjoyable (I know I was getting > down). The issue I was trying to address is this recurring phenomena of > people doing this Tai Chi 'calling of the spirits' thing at IDM shows (maybe > they do that dance everywhere and I only see them at IDM shows?). For one, > it strikes me as odd that a music so rich with rhythm inspires folks to do > this slow-motion psychedelic martial arts thing. Secondly, there's a reason > people do Tai Chi in the park (or in the grass seats at a Phish concert) - > it takes up space. It's pretty rude (and selfish) to expect the people > around you who shelled out their $15 to see their heroes perform to have to > accommodate your haphazard slo-mo kung-fu spirit circle, especially in such > a small venue. > Whatever, it's not my mission in life to be the dance police. If the divine > spirit is telling you to prance around like David Carradine on mescaline > then by all means. > Just don't shoot me because my mom dresses me funny. > > -chachi > > > > From: Charles Freeman <charliefree@yahoo.com> > > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:50:05 -0700 (PDT) > > To: Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> > > Cc: Donald <donald@wallrichlandi.com>, idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Subject: [idm] Re: dancing vs. snobing > > > > --- Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> wrote: > >> Hahaha, I was getting my groove on, make no mistake, I just wasn't > >> making an ass of myself in the process. If you think snobbery's not as > >> much a part of IDM as dancing... Pooh on you! Fishnet or velvet, > >> sweetie, NOT BOTH. > > > > OK, From now on let?s call it ISM. > > > > Because of people like you, snobbery is a part of the idm scene just as it > > is a part of every scene. However, I'm a firm believer in our ability as a > > community to seek out and destroy you and your cohorts. Take this as a > > warning. All people seen snobing around will be shot. All people seen > > wearing boring clothing that their mothers bought for them will be shot. > > > > As far as fashion taste, it seems to me that my friend Magnus? outfit > > (fishnet shirt, etc.) which he designed and sewed himself was a hell of a > > lot more creative then the black sweatshirt and converse sneakers that > > seems to be the standard uniform you snobs aspire to. It also seems to me > > that people who think of themselves as being on the cutting edge of music > > would be a little bit more open to creativity that isn?t based on the > > status quo. > > > > -charles > > http://mp3.com/groundchuckles > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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just finished this. check it out and let me know what you think. http://www181.pair.com/freeman/groundchuck/mithranix_groundmeatmix.mp3 -charles http://mp3.com/groundchuckles __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line lot more creative then the black sweatshirt and converse sneakers that

> lot more creative then the black sweatshirt and converse sneakers that

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I'm pretty sure that at least 30% of your cumulative IDM snob aptitude score is based on what kind of sneakers you wear. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Hime <hime@charter.net> Date: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:37 am Subject: Re: [idm] Re: dancing vs. snobing

quoted 7 lines lot more creative then the black sweatshirt and converse

> > lot more creative then the black sweatshirt and converse > sneakers that > > I didn't know so many IDMsters wore the One True Shoe. Good job, kids! > > >

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At 11:12 AM 6/17/2003, Aaron D Meyers wrote:

quoted 5 lines I'm pretty sure that at least 30% of your cumulative IDM snob aptitude

>I'm pretty sure that at least 30% of your cumulative IDM snob aptitude >score is based on what kind of sneakers you wear. > > > > lot more creative then the black sweatshirt and converse > > sneakers that

Forget all that. The look of tomorrow is golf course casual. It's what I wore to gigs when goth first hit and it's still as out-of-place (= avant garde) now as it was then. Tomorrow never comes. Fishnets, after-the-blast apocalypse accessories and, yes, even sneakers will come and go. Nothing says "I don't care" like ban-rolls, cleats and putting gloves. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:12:00 -0400 Aaron D Meyers <adm226@nyu.edu> wrote:

quoted 3 lines I'm pretty sure that at least 30% of your cumulative IDM

>I'm pretty sure that at least 30% of your cumulative IDM >snob aptitude score is based on what kind of sneakers you >wear.

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ah...matey....funny post :) just thought i'd answer your question about the "calling the spirits" type thing. i love IDM and used to do SHIT LOADS of drugs. now i am one of those "wierdos" (i used to think that too) who goes out on nothing (not even drink). i still dance my tits off the only problem being that as i am not WIRED 2 the eyeballs on crystal meth i get tired after a while....... but i love the music so much that i can't leave the dance floor......SOLUTION........ i slowly swing and wave about, concentrating on the other noises instead of the beat.......CONSEQUENTALLY dancing in this bizzare "calling of the spirits" style! case closed? nick

quoted 77 lines From: Chachi Jones <chachi@fluffzine.com>

>From: Chachi Jones <chachi@fluffzine.com> >To: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] Re: dancing vs. snobing Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 10:57:54 >-0700 > >Seems I touched on a sensitive topic. To clarify, I have no qualms with >people dancing their ass off however they like at any show - people should >dance - it makes the whole experience more enjoyable (I know I was getting >down). The issue I was trying to address is this recurring phenomena of >people doing this Tai Chi 'calling of the spirits' thing at IDM shows >(maybe >they do that dance everywhere and I only see them at IDM shows?). For one, >it strikes me as odd that a music so rich with rhythm inspires folks to do >this slow-motion psychedelic martial arts thing. Secondly, there's a reason >people do Tai Chi in the park (or in the grass seats at a Phish concert) - >it takes up space. It's pretty rude (and selfish) to expect the people >around you who shelled out their $15 to see their heroes perform to have to >accommodate your haphazard slo-mo kung-fu spirit circle, especially in such >a small venue. >Whatever, it's not my mission in life to be the dance police. If the divine >spirit is telling you to prance around like David Carradine on mescaline >then by all means. >Just don't shoot me because my mom dresses me funny. > >-chachi > > > > From: Charles Freeman <charliefree@yahoo.com> > > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:50:05 -0700 (PDT) > > To: Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> > > Cc: Donald <donald@wallrichlandi.com>, idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Subject: [idm] Re: dancing vs. snobing > > > > --- Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> wrote: > >> Hahaha, I was getting my groove on, make no mistake, I just wasn't > >> making an ass of myself in the process. If you think snobbery's not as > >> much a part of IDM as dancing... Pooh on you! Fishnet or velvet, > >> sweetie, NOT BOTH. > > > > OK, From now on let?s call it ISM. > > > > Because of people like you, snobbery is a part of the idm scene just as >it > > is a part of every scene. However, I'm a firm believer in our ability as >a > > community to seek out and destroy you and your cohorts. Take this as a > > warning. All people seen snobing around will be shot. All people seen > > wearing boring clothing that their mothers bought for them will be shot. > > > > As far as fashion taste, it seems to me that my friend Magnus? outfit > > (fishnet shirt, etc.) which he designed and sewed himself was a hell of >a > > lot more creative then the black sweatshirt and converse sneakers that > > seems to be the standard uniform you snobs aspire to. It also seems to >me > > that people who think of themselves as being on the cutting edge of >music > > would be a little bit more open to creativity that isn?t based on the > > status quo. > > > > -charles > > http://mp3.com/groundchuckles > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! > > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 12 lines ah...matey....funny post :)

> ah...matey....funny post :) > > just thought i'd answer your question about the "calling the spirits" > type thing. i love IDM and used to do SHIT LOADS of drugs. now i am > one of those "wierdos" (i used to think that too) who goes out on > nothing (not even drink). i still dance my tits off the only problem > being that as i am not WIRED 2 the eyeballs on crystal meth i get > tired after a while....... but i love the music so much that i can't > leave the dance floor......SOLUTION........ i slowly swing and wave > about, concentrating on the other noises instead of the > beat.......CONSEQUENTALLY dancing in this bizzare "calling of the > spirits" style!

So the REAL problem is not a lack of style but rather a lack of drugs...of course... John

quoted 105 lines case closed?

> > > case closed? > > nick > >> From: Chachi Jones <chachi@fluffzine.com> >> To: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> >> Subject: Re: [idm] Re: dancing vs. snobing Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 >> 10:57:54 -0700 >> >> Seems I touched on a sensitive topic. To clarify, I have no qualms with >> people dancing their ass off however they like at any show - people >> should >> dance - it makes the whole experience more enjoyable (I know I was >> getting >> down). The issue I was trying to address is this recurring phenomena of >> people doing this Tai Chi 'calling of the spirits' thing at IDM shows >> (maybe >> they do that dance everywhere and I only see them at IDM shows?). For >> one, >> it strikes me as odd that a music so rich with rhythm inspires folks >> to do >> this slow-motion psychedelic martial arts thing. Secondly, there's a >> reason >> people do Tai Chi in the park (or in the grass seats at a Phish >> concert) - >> it takes up space. It's pretty rude (and selfish) to expect the people >> around you who shelled out their $15 to see their heroes perform to >> have to >> accommodate your haphazard slo-mo kung-fu spirit circle, especially >> in such >> a small venue. >> Whatever, it's not my mission in life to be the dance police. If the >> divine >> spirit is telling you to prance around like David Carradine on mescaline >> then by all means. >> Just don't shoot me because my mom dresses me funny. >> >> -chachi >> >> >> > From: Charles Freeman <charliefree@yahoo.com> >> > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:50:05 -0700 (PDT) >> > To: Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> >> > Cc: Donald <donald@wallrichlandi.com>, idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> >> > Subject: [idm] Re: dancing vs. snobing >> > >> > --- Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> wrote: >> >> Hahaha, I was getting my groove on, make no mistake, I just wasn't >> >> making an ass of myself in the process. If you think snobbery's >> not as >> >> much a part of IDM as dancing... Pooh on you! Fishnet or velvet, >> >> sweetie, NOT BOTH. >> > >> > OK, From now on let?s call it ISM. >> > >> > Because of people like you, snobbery is a part of the idm scene >> just as it >> > is a part of every scene. However, I'm a firm believer in our >> ability as a >> > community to seek out and destroy you and your cohorts. Take this as a >> > warning. All people seen snobing around will be shot. All people seen >> > wearing boring clothing that their mothers bought for them will be >> shot. >> > >> > As far as fashion taste, it seems to me that my friend Magnus? outfit >> > (fishnet shirt, etc.) which he designed and sewed himself was a >> hell of a >> > lot more creative then the black sweatshirt and converse sneakers that >> > seems to be the standard uniform you snobs aspire to. It also seems >> to me >> > that people who think of themselves as being on the cutting edge of >> music >> > would be a little bit more open to creativity that isn?t based on the >> > status quo. >> > >> > -charles >> > http://mp3.com/groundchuckles >> > >> > __________________________________ >> > Do you Yahoo!? >> > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! >> > http://sbc.yahoo.com >> > >> > --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >> > > _________________________________________________________________ > Express yourself with cool emoticons - download MSN Messenger today! > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Apparently, you *do* have qualms with people dancing their ass off if you are bringing up such trite and innane concerns like this. People can dance how they want to dance - you don't like it? Don't go to events. It's a simple answer for (apparently) a difficult problem. -daniel -----Original Message----- From: Chachi Jones [mailto:chachi@fluffzine.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:58 PM To: idm list Subject: Re: [idm] Re: dancing vs. snobing Seems I touched on a sensitive topic. To clarify, I have no qualms with people dancing their ass off however they like at any show - people should dance - it makes the whole experience more enjoyable (I know I was getting down). The issue I was trying to address is this recurring phenomena of people doing this Tai Chi 'calling of the spirits' thing at IDM shows (maybe they do that dance everywhere and I only see them at IDM shows?). For one, it strikes me as odd that a music so rich with rhythm inspires folks to do this slow-motion psychedelic martial arts thing. Secondly, there's a reason people do Tai Chi in the park (or in the grass seats at a Phish concert) - it takes up space. It's pretty rude (and selfish) to expect the people around you who shelled out their $15 to see their heroes perform to have to accommodate your haphazard slo-mo kung-fu spirit circle, especially in such a small venue. Whatever, it's not my mission in life to be the dance police. If the divine spirit is telling you to prance around like David Carradine on mescaline then by all means. Just don't shoot me because my mom dresses me funny. -chachi

quoted 24 lines From: Charles Freeman <charliefree@yahoo.com>

> From: Charles Freeman <charliefree@yahoo.com> > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:50:05 -0700 (PDT) > To: Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> > Cc: Donald <donald@wallrichlandi.com>, idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> > Subject: [idm] Re: dancing vs. snobing > > --- Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> wrote: >> Hahaha, I was getting my groove on, make no mistake, I just wasn't >> making an ass of myself in the process. If you think snobbery's not >> as much a part of IDM as dancing... Pooh on you! Fishnet or velvet, >> sweetie, NOT BOTH. > > OK, From now on let?s call it ISM. > > Because of people like you, snobbery is a part of the idm scene just > as it is a part of every scene. However, I'm a firm believer in our > ability as a community to seek out and destroy you and your cohorts. > Take this as a warning. All people seen snobing around will be shot. > All people seen wearing boring clothing that their mothers bought for > them will be shot. > > As far as fashion taste, it seems to me that my friend Magnus? outfit > (fishnet shirt, etc.) which he designed and sewed himself was a hell > of a lot more creative then the black sweatshirt and converse sneakers

quoted 15 lines that seems to be the standard uniform you snobs aspire to. It also

> that seems to be the standard uniform you snobs aspire to. It also > seems to me that people who think of themselves as being on the > cutting edge of music would be a little bit more open to creativity > that isn?t based on the status quo. > > -charles > http://mp3.com/groundchuckles > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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thats not quite what i mean't. just my perspective on it :)

quoted 148 lines From: John von Seggern <johnvon@digitalcutuplounge.com>

>From: John von Seggern <johnvon@digitalcutuplounge.com> >Reply-To: johnvon@digitalcutuplounge.com >To: Mr K <karmaceuticals@hotmail.com> >CC: chachi@fluffzine.com, idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Re: dancing vs. snobing >Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 12:03:07 -0700 > >Mr K wrote: > >>ah...matey....funny post :) >> >>just thought i'd answer your question about the "calling the spirits" type >>thing. i love IDM and used to do SHIT LOADS of drugs. now i am one of >>those "wierdos" (i used to think that too) who goes out on nothing (not >>even drink). i still dance my tits off the only problem being that as i am >>not WIRED 2 the eyeballs on crystal meth i get tired after a while....... >>but i love the music so much that i can't leave the dance >>floor......SOLUTION........ i slowly swing and wave about, concentrating >>on the other noises instead of the beat.......CONSEQUENTALLY dancing in >>this bizzare "calling of the spirits" style! > >So the REAL problem is not a lack of style but rather a lack of drugs...of >course... > > >John > >> >> >>case closed? >> >>nick >> >>>From: Chachi Jones <chachi@fluffzine.com> >>>To: idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> >>>Subject: Re: [idm] Re: dancing vs. snobing Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 >>>10:57:54 -0700 >>> >>>Seems I touched on a sensitive topic. To clarify, I have no qualms with >>>people dancing their ass off however they like at any show - people >>>should >>>dance - it makes the whole experience more enjoyable (I know I was >>>getting >>>down). The issue I was trying to address is this recurring phenomena of >>>people doing this Tai Chi 'calling of the spirits' thing at IDM shows >>>(maybe >>>they do that dance everywhere and I only see them at IDM shows?). For >>>one, >>>it strikes me as odd that a music so rich with rhythm inspires folks to >>>do >>>this slow-motion psychedelic martial arts thing. Secondly, there's a >>>reason >>>people do Tai Chi in the park (or in the grass seats at a Phish concert) >>>- >>>it takes up space. It's pretty rude (and selfish) to expect the people >>>around you who shelled out their $15 to see their heroes perform to have >>>to >>>accommodate your haphazard slo-mo kung-fu spirit circle, especially in >>>such >>>a small venue. >>>Whatever, it's not my mission in life to be the dance police. If the >>>divine >>>spirit is telling you to prance around like David Carradine on mescaline >>>then by all means. >>>Just don't shoot me because my mom dresses me funny. >>> >>>-chachi >>> >>> >>> > From: Charles Freeman <charliefree@yahoo.com> >>> > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 00:50:05 -0700 (PDT) >>> > To: Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> >>> > Cc: Donald <donald@wallrichlandi.com>, idm list <idm@hyperreal.org> >>> > Subject: [idm] Re: dancing vs. snobing >>> > >>> > --- Eric Sorenson <eric@explosive.net> wrote: >>> >> Hahaha, I was getting my groove on, make no mistake, I just wasn't >>> >> making an ass of myself in the process. If you think snobbery's not >>>as >>> >> much a part of IDM as dancing... Pooh on you! Fishnet or velvet, >>> >> sweetie, NOT BOTH. >>> > >>> > OK, From now on let?s call it ISM. >>> > >>> > Because of people like you, snobbery is a part of the idm scene just >>>as it >>> > is a part of every scene. However, I'm a firm believer in our ability >>>as a >>> > community to seek out and destroy you and your cohorts. Take this as a >>> > warning. All people seen snobing around will be shot. All people seen >>> > wearing boring clothing that their mothers bought for them will be >>>shot. >>> > >>> > As far as fashion taste, it seems to me that my friend Magnus? outfit >>> > (fishnet shirt, etc.) which he designed and sewed himself was a hell >>>of a >>> > lot more creative then the black sweatshirt and converse sneakers that >>> > seems to be the standard uniform you snobs aspire to. It also seems to >>>me >>> > that people who think of themselves as being on the cutting edge of >>>music >>> > would be a little bit more open to creativity that isn?t based on the >>> > status quo. >>> > >>> > -charles >>> > http://mp3.com/groundchuckles >>> > >>> > __________________________________ >>> > Do you Yahoo!? >>> > SBC Yahoo! 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