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Quick report. Tortoise were fab. Boards of Canada were fucking amazing. They played for 1 hour, and only 3 tracks I knew. The whole set seemed to be mostly new stuff, and are we all in for a treat when the album comes out! Just, well, just wait! Prefuse 73 were well cool - Whoever the MC was had a funny go at the spotters with "They like being stared at" (they being the Prefuse boys, as there were 2 of them live) Ae. sounded funky, but I had to leave. Oh, Broadcast renewed my faith in the live band shit. Gotta love England! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

I concur, somewhat. Tortoise were brilliant. Boards of Canada brilliant. Broadcast were great. Def Jux Posse were great and seemed quite out of place since they were entertaining the crowd, not jerking off musically. This brings me to my gripe with the weekend. Most of the bands didn't seem to be there for their "fans" but were instead just up there making noise. Major culprits: Authechre, Television, Stereolab and Tortoise DJs (playing Whitney Houston may be tres-ironic but I heard the same track three times over the weekend bringing it to five times in the last week or so). These bands and DJs need to remember they're entertainers. An hour of wanking on stage isn't very exciting, although the turtleneck crowd seemed to be into it. Organisation was a bit lacking. 100 quid tickets and no way to get from the train station to the festival except a once-per-hour bus (the normal town bus) or one of the six taxis in town? Our "four berth chalet" ended up being four beds of six people in the room meaning we were meant to share with two strangers, until we kicked up a stink. -- Rev Simon Rumble Current physical location: London, UK simon@rumble.net http://www.rumble.net Prejudice: A vagrant opinion without visible means of support. -- Ambrose Bierce --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

bit disappointed with next years uk ATP line-up, although there's some fine indie choices, there's not one electronic act on the bill. .. .. .. .. .. . . .. . . . paul webb____designer____http://www.digitlondon.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

you should see the line up for the deadbeat weekender in february. forget all tomorrows parties. http://www.dedbeat.net - we'll post the email we got about it today laters.. At 12:54 pm +0000 3/12/01, Paul Webb wrote:

quoted 7 lines bit disappointed with next years uk ATP line-up,

>bit disappointed with next years uk ATP line-up, >although there's some fine indie choices, there's >not one electronic act on the bill. > > > paul webb____designer____http://www.digitlondon.com >

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Yea... looks a tad disappointing. That's what you get for putting Steve Albini in charge of curating. I remember reading some interview or something with him in a book a while back and he was slamming the use of sampling as not being a legitimate way of creating music. He went on to bash recording digitally and how its got to be on analog tape or whatever. However, this was from sometime in the early nineties or something so I'm sure he's had to rethink his whole elitist stance on all that stuff. It wouldn't be very cool and "indie" to hate on people using protools or cubase to record their stuff DIY and avoiding the tremendous costs of an analog studio. At least they've got Melt Banana playing. They fucking rock the house. -Aaron

quoted 9 lines At 12:54 pm +0000 3/12/01, Paul Webb wrote:

> At 12:54 pm +0000 3/12/01, Paul Webb wrote: > >bit disappointed with next years uk ATP line-up, > >although there's some fine indie choices, there's > >not one electronic act on the bill. > > > > > > paul webb____designer____http://www.digitlondon.com > > >

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at 03-12-2001 22:05, Aaron D Meyers (adm226@nyu.edu) wrote: It looks like he's giving out travel-funds for non-essential bands... Even speaking in indie-terms this line-up is a bit "smelly". Most of the bands playing i really liked a couple of years ago. Some of them i still love but i can't see the point in programming these. At least LA got Dead C, which i bet is going to blow away all Idm'ers, and indie-kids. I think it's wiser to start save money to go to La then crossing the channel to see All Tomorrow's parties anno 1988-94 in england.

quoted 30 lines Yea... looks a tad disappointing. That's what you get for putting

> Yea... looks a tad disappointing. That's what you get for putting > Steve Albini in charge of curating. I remember reading some interview > or something with him in a book a while back and he was slamming the > use of sampling as not being a legitimate way of creating music. He > went on to bash recording digitally and how its got to be on analog > tape or whatever. However, this was from sometime in the early > nineties or something so I'm sure he's had to rethink his whole elitist > stance on all that stuff. It wouldn't be very cool and "indie" to hate > on people using protools or cubase to record their stuff DIY and > avoiding the tremendous costs of an analog studio. At least they've > got Melt Banana playing. They fucking rock the house. > > -Aaron > >> At 12:54 pm +0000 3/12/01, Paul Webb wrote: >>> bit disappointed with next years uk ATP line-up, >>> although there's some fine indie choices, there's >>> not one electronic act on the bill. >>> >>> >>> paul webb____designer____http://www.digitlondon.com >>> >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >

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Jesus man, disappointed?? THREE performances by Shellac per weekend...why you can't even count that on the fingers of one hand! Not to mention Blonde Redhead, Dianogah, The Fall (!), Low, Melt Banana, Mission of Burma (after what, 18 years?!?), The Oxes, Tom Verlaine...besides electronic music isn't 'real' music anyhow...and on a serious note it's usually painfully boring live (let's not start the discussion again). This show puts Sonic Youth's American ATP to shame. I wouldn't think twice about attending were I to be a resident of the UK. -Nathan

quoted 3 lines bit disappointed with next years uk ATP line-up,

> > >bit disappointed with next years uk ATP line-up, > > >although there's some fine indie choices, there's > > >not one electronic act on the bill.

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I agree with the fact that the line up sucks. What's the big deal about Blonde Redhead, they tour like 5 times a month or something like that. The Fall maybe... dont know where they're at right now, I am sure they are burned out and faded by now. Shellac was exciting like 5 years ago. Dinogah is boring, or at least what i heard of them. I agree with whoever said Melt Banana rocks the house... otherwise, blah... I am glad that someone is excited about this and all that. But why do you have to be so irritating and sneak in that comment about electronic music being boring live, not being real music, etc. I know some people really enjoy being annoying and all that (a lot on this list apparently), and I hope that you are receiving the appropriate tinglies for that little stab... And why are you on an electronic music list anyway? For shock value? (Please dont answer that, it was a rhetorical and thought provoking question not intended to begin any boring discussion) sorry, sorry, may gods punish me for all eternity for being unable to resist responding to this.

quoted 28 lines From: "Nathan Lueckenhoff" <Nathan.Lueckenhoff@colorado.edu>

>From: "Nathan Lueckenhoff" <Nathan.Lueckenhoff@colorado.edu> >Reply-To: "Nathan Lueckenhoff" <Nathan.Lueckenhoff@colorado.edu> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Parties >Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:33:16 -0700 > >Jesus man, disappointed?? THREE performances by Shellac per weekend...why >you can't even count that on the fingers of one hand! Not to mention >Blonde >Redhead, Dianogah, The Fall (!), Low, Melt Banana, Mission of Burma (after >what, 18 years?!?), The Oxes, Tom Verlaine...besides electronic music isn't >'real' music anyhow...and on a serious note it's usually painfully boring >live (let's not start the discussion again). This show puts Sonic Youth's >American ATP to shame. I wouldn't think twice about attending were I to be >a resident of the UK. > >-Nathan > > > > >bit disappointed with next years uk ATP line-up, > > > >although there's some fine indie choices, there's > > > >not one electronic act on the bill. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 3 lines And why are you on an electronic music list anyway? For shock value?

>And why are you on an electronic music list anyway? For shock value? >(Please dont answer that, it was a rhetorical and thought provoking >question not intended to begin any boring discussion)

Actually, the use of rhetorical questions is precisely to encourage further discussion. They're not "unanswerable," just simply not answerable with a short, concise answer. They're questions used to aid in the art of persuasion, and their standard form is often followed by a slight discourse by the interrogator. For instance, a real use of a rhetorical question, in this context, would be as follows: And why are you on an electronic music list anyway? Badmouthing the main topic of the list is nothing new, and often encouraged, but just adding an offhanded comment like you did only makes it look like you are an elitist snob who assumes electronic music puts on a poor show without any examples to back it up. derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- everyone's doing it --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Actually, your post was quite mild compared to what I expected Nathan to receive in response to the "Electronic music isn't real music anyways" comment. Besides, IMHO it doesn't take much to put Sonic Youth to shame anyways (opinionated comment). Now, on-topic: Has anyone else besides me heard the Mate EP - I believe it's an untitled EP with 6 tracks on it. Jetlag/jg004 is the label/cat #, and it was released in 2000. Excellent first track!!!!! Has this guy done anything else besides this EP? !Regards! -somrux. http://www.somrux.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julia Matusov" <ulia5@hotmail.com> To: <Nathan.Lueckenhoff@colorado.edu>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Parties

quoted 4 lines I agree with the fact that the line up sucks. What's the big deal about

> I agree with the fact that the line up sucks. What's the big deal about > Blonde Redhead, they tour like 5 times a month or something like that. The > Fall maybe... dont know where they're at right now, I am sure they are > burned out and faded by now. Shellac was exciting like 5 years ago.

Dinogah

quoted 1 line is boring, or at least what i heard of them. I agree with whoever said

> is boring, or at least what i heard of them. I agree with whoever said

Melt

quoted 7 lines Banana rocks the house... otherwise, blah...

> Banana rocks the house... otherwise, blah... > > I am glad that someone is excited about this and all that. But why do you > have to be so irritating and sneak in that comment about electronic music > being boring live, not being real music, etc. I know some people really > enjoy being annoying and all that (a lot on this list apparently), and I > hope that you are receiving the appropriate tinglies for that little

stab...

quoted 1 line And why are you on an electronic music list anyway? For shock value?

> And why are you on an electronic music list anyway? For shock value?

(Please

quoted 4 lines dont answer that, it was a rhetorical and thought provoking question not

> dont answer that, it was a rhetorical and thought provoking question not > intended to begin any boring discussion) > > sorry, sorry, may gods punish me for all eternity for being unable to

resist

quoted 11 lines responding to this.

> responding to this. > > > > >From: "Nathan Lueckenhoff" <Nathan.Lueckenhoff@colorado.edu> > >Reply-To: "Nathan Lueckenhoff" <Nathan.Lueckenhoff@colorado.edu> > >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Parties > >Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:33:16 -0700 > > > >Jesus man, disappointed?? THREE performances by Shellac per

weekend...why

quoted 3 lines you can't even count that on the fingers of one hand! Not to mention

> >you can't even count that on the fingers of one hand! Not to mention > >Blonde > >Redhead, Dianogah, The Fall (!), Low, Melt Banana, Mission of Burma

(after

quoted 1 line what, 18 years?!?), The Oxes, Tom Verlaine...besides electronic music

> >what, 18 years?!?), The Oxes, Tom Verlaine...besides electronic music

isn't

quoted 2 lines 'real' music anyhow...and on a serious note it's usually painfully boring

> >'real' music anyhow...and on a serious note it's usually painfully boring > >live (let's not start the discussion again). This show puts Sonic

Youth's

quoted 1 line American ATP to shame. I wouldn't think twice about attending were I to

> >American ATP to shame. I wouldn't think twice about attending were I to

be

quoted 3 lines a resident of the UK.

> >a resident of the UK. > > > >-Nathan

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however, in my opinion, the addition of Jackie-O-Motherfucker to the UCLA ATP will make that worth going to.....yup ----- Original Message ----- From: "somrux" <bishop@somrux.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Cc: "Julia Matusov" <ulia5@hotmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Parties

quoted 6 lines Actually, your post was quite mild compared to what I expected Nathan to

> Actually, your post was quite mild compared to what I expected Nathan to > receive in response to the "Electronic music isn't real music anyways" > comment. Besides, IMHO it doesn't take much to put Sonic Youth to shame > anyways (opinionated comment). > > Now, on-topic: Has anyone else besides me heard the Mate EP - I believe

it's

quoted 1 line an untitled EP with 6 tracks on it. Jetlag/jg004 is the label/cat #, and

> an untitled EP with 6 tracks on it. Jetlag/jg004 is the label/cat #, and

it

quoted 17 lines was released in 2000. Excellent first track!!!!! Has this guy done

> was released in 2000. Excellent first track!!!!! Has this guy done > anything else besides this EP? > > !Regards! > -somrux. > http://www.somrux.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Julia Matusov" <ulia5@hotmail.com> > To: <Nathan.Lueckenhoff@colorado.edu>; <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2001 6:13 PM > Subject: Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Parties > > > > I agree with the fact that the line up sucks. What's the big deal about > > Blonde Redhead, they tour like 5 times a month or something like that.

The

quoted 8 lines Fall maybe... dont know where they're at right now, I am sure they are

> > Fall maybe... dont know where they're at right now, I am sure they are > > burned out and faded by now. Shellac was exciting like 5 years ago. > Dinogah > > is boring, or at least what i heard of them. I agree with whoever said > Melt > > Banana rocks the house... otherwise, blah... > > > > I am glad that someone is excited about this and all that. But why do

you

quoted 1 line have to be so irritating and sneak in that comment about electronic

> > have to be so irritating and sneak in that comment about electronic

music

quoted 30 lines being boring live, not being real music, etc. I know some people really

> > being boring live, not being real music, etc. I know some people really > > enjoy being annoying and all that (a lot on this list apparently), and I > > hope that you are receiving the appropriate tinglies for that little > stab... > > And why are you on an electronic music list anyway? For shock value? > (Please > > dont answer that, it was a rhetorical and thought provoking question not > > intended to begin any boring discussion) > > > > sorry, sorry, may gods punish me for all eternity for being unable to > resist > > responding to this. > > > > > > > > >From: "Nathan Lueckenhoff" <Nathan.Lueckenhoff@colorado.edu> > > >Reply-To: "Nathan Lueckenhoff" <Nathan.Lueckenhoff@colorado.edu> > > >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > >Subject: Re: [idm] All Tomorrow's Parties > > >Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 16:33:16 -0700 > > > > > >Jesus man, disappointed?? THREE performances by Shellac per > weekend...why > > >you can't even count that on the fingers of one hand! Not to mention > > >Blonde > > >Redhead, Dianogah, The Fall (!), Low, Melt Banana, Mission of Burma > (after > > >what, 18 years?!?), The Oxes, Tom Verlaine...besides electronic music > isn't > > >'real' music anyhow...and on a serious note it's usually painfully

boring

quoted 3 lines live (let's not start the discussion again). This show puts Sonic

> > >live (let's not start the discussion again). This show puts Sonic > Youth's > > >American ATP to shame. I wouldn't think twice about attending were I

to

quoted 10 lines be

> be > > >a resident of the UK. > > > > > >-Nathan > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >

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quoted 6 lines I am glad that someone is excited about this and all that. But why do you

> > I am glad that someone is excited about this and all that. But why do you > have to be so irritating and sneak in that comment about electronic music > being boring live, not being real music, etc. I know some people really > enjoy being annoying and all that (a lot on this list apparently), and I > hope that you are receiving the appropriate tinglies for that little

stab... Well actually I was being facetious about the 'real music' bit...as you'll notice by reading the "and on a serious note" comment directly afterwards. You know, seeing as Albini fucking hates sampling...as in I was mocking his attitude. Next time I'll draw a picture. I do find most electronic acts boring live (save Autechre, Kid606 and a few local acts). In the context of discussing the lack of electronic acts in a festival setting (i.e. LIVE) I simply wanted to express my opinion about the subject without starting endless debate about a topic that's been played out. Seems completely on topic to me. So I'm not sure how that was perceived as an irritatingly sneaky jab...whateva. I assure you the tingly sensation I'm feeling at the moment has naught to do with my message.

quoted 1 line And why are you on an electronic music list anyway? For shock value?

> And why are you on an electronic music list anyway? For shock value?

(Please

quoted 2 lines dont answer that, it was a rhetorical and thought provoking question not

> dont answer that, it was a rhetorical and thought provoking question not > intended to begin any boring discussion)

Well I suppose the fact that I was ranting about 'rock' bands and was then misinterpreted would lead to this question. Answer should be obvious tho. -Nathan P.S. Blonde Redhead have missed the last 2 scheduled gigs around these parts...! --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

At 07:32 PM 12/4/2001 -0700, you wrote:

quoted 12 lines I am glad that someone is excited about this and all that. But why do you

> > > > I am glad that someone is excited about this and all that. But why do you > > have to be so irritating and sneak in that comment about electronic music > > being boring live, not being real music, etc. I know some people really > > enjoy being annoying and all that (a lot on this list apparently), and I > > hope that you are receiving the appropriate tinglies for that little >stab... > >Well actually I was being facetious about the 'real music' bit...as you'll >notice by reading the "and on a serious note" comment directly afterwards. >You know, seeing as Albini fucking hates sampling...as in I was mocking his >attitude. Next time I'll draw a picture.

:D Granted, I've wondered if All Tomorrow's Parties were ever really geared towards electronic music. Although electronic music is definitely different from most other types of live performance, I've never heard about an experience that went over well for a huge crowd. The sound is *never* good outside like that, you can't see what's going on (not that much usually is, even with rock bands). It's just always seemed like more of an "indie thing" to me. Has anyone been to a really GOOD big outdoor electronic show? And I don't mean any of those lame trancy things, or anything where you were obligatorily drugged in order to perceive some faint enjoyment with the music. And you gotta love big-shot producers who are so anti-sampling yet throw strings into big ballady songs. Yea, they know how to barely play a guitar, and suddenly there's a violin? or 3, or 6! The violins are out of control! ------- eggytoast.com ------- everyone's doing it --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Lamb were good when I saw them in central park (though it was a very short set). I'm also given to understand that underworld are good in open air shows, though I've only seen them inside. Of course, both of these might be said to have a certain amount of popular appeal in their music. In fact, with the amount of ringing I hear these days when things are quiet, I'd almost rather see acts outside. Some of the places where indoor shows I've seen have been may have had good acoustics, but I can't really think of a [non-classical, non flecktones] concert that used them all that effectively. And most of them you can't see what's going on, either. Maybe I've just been to the wrong shows. -kyle r On Tue, Dec 04, 2001 at 08:51:20PM -0600, EggyToast wrote:

quoted 8 lines different from most other types of live performance, I've never heard about

> different from most other types of live performance, I've never heard about > an experience that went over well for a huge crowd. The sound is *never* > good outside like that, you can't see what's going on (not that much > usually is, even with rock bands). It's just always seemed like more of an > "indie thing" to me. Has anyone been to a really GOOD big outdoor > electronic show? And I don't mean any of those lame trancy things, or > anything where you were obligatorily drugged in order to perceive some > faint enjoyment with the music.

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Underworld @ The Coachella Festival '99. It sounded great, looked great, & there was plenty of interaction with the audience. It was one of the best live performances I've ever seen, electronic or otherwise. --- EggyToast <youn0394@umn.edu> wrote:

quoted 1 line Has anyone been to a really GOOD big outdoor

> Has anyone been to a really GOOD big outdoor

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Just read on the ATP site that all the 4/5 berth chalets are gone. I was having a large amount of trouble rounding up three other people to share with, never mind 5 or 6! If anyone has a spare berth in their chalet I'd gladly give them the cash for the ticket. I am clean and great. Plus I can cook like a motherfucker. Neil. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now

quoted 6 lines Just read on the ATP site that all the 4/5 berth chalets are gone. I

>Just read on the ATP site that all the 4/5 berth chalets are gone. I >was having a large amount of trouble rounding up three other people >to share with, never mind 5 or 6! If anyone has a spare berth in >their chalet I'd gladly give them the cash for the ticket. I am >clean and great. >

I haven't kept track of ATP, but do you NEED friends to go along or can you just go and get matched up with other stragglers/smaller groups?

quoted 2 lines Plus I can cook like a motherfucker.

>Plus I can cook like a motherfucker. >

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quoted 2 lines I haven't kept track of ATP, but do you NEED friends to go along or

> I haven't kept track of ATP, but do you NEED friends to go along or > can you just go and get matched up with other stragglers/smaller groups?

No, you need to book the whole chalet. I managed to convince all my flatmates to go to make up the numbers I needed So who else on this list is going? I was gonna suggest one of those meet up things, but you all seem a bit weird to me :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Neil Walsh wrote:

quoted 13 lines On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 05:08:16PM +0000, Glenn McClements wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 05:08:16PM +0000, Glenn McClements wrote: > >>> I haven't kept track of ATP, but do you NEED friends to go along or >>>can you just go and get matched up with other stragglers/smaller groups? >> >>No, you need to book the whole chalet. I managed to convince all my >>flatmates to go to make up the numbers I needed >> >>So who else on this list is going? I was gonna suggest one of those meet >>up things, but you all seem a bit weird to me :-) > > > *raises hand* Not that I count or anything :)

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on 31/1/03 2:12 pm the person going by the name Cliph at cliph@chicks-dig-unix.net spake :

quoted 17 lines Neil Walsh wrote:

> Neil Walsh wrote: >> On Thu, Jan 30, 2003 at 05:08:16PM +0000, Glenn McClements wrote: >> >>>> I haven't kept track of ATP, but do you NEED friends to go along or >>>> can you just go and get matched up with other stragglers/smaller groups? >>> >>> No, you need to book the whole chalet. I managed to convince all my >>> flatmates to go to make up the numbers I needed >>> >>> So who else on this list is going? I was gonna suggest one of those meet >>> up things, but you all seem a bit weird to me :-) >> >> >> *raises hand* Not that I count or anything :) > > I'm also going, and I'm going with Neil (w) so that might mean I > count even less?

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On Fri, Jan 31, 2003 at 03:15:18PM +0000, Muffin wrote:

quoted 4 lines I'm also going, and I'm going with Neil (w) so that might mean I

> > I'm also going, and I'm going with Neil (w) so that might mean I > > count even less? > > Which ATP, Camber Sands or LA? I'm doing Camber Sands.

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