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2002-12-20 17:24Kurt"donna summer" <donnasummerwfmu@hotmail.com> wrote >Of course there are exceptions galore,

From:: Kurt <supine@pendulous.org>
To:: <idm@hyperreal.org>
Cc:: donna summer <donnasummerwfmu@hotmail.com>, <idmlist@hotmail.com>
Date:: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:24:27 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] yes indeed NO NO NO- DS YES-kh

"donna summer" <donnasummerwfmu@hotmail.com> wrote

quoted 2 lines Of course there are exceptions galore, but on the whole our little genere

>Of course there are exceptions galore, but on the whole our little genere >here has gotten downright dogmatic.

of course you're right essentially, given the modernist conceit behind the music which values innovation, there's a staggering about of conformity. really it's like any other musical genre, people depend on conventions heavily. but here's the thought I always have: to expect non-conformity with a Genre is a contradiction. to define a genre is to pick out this this this and that sounds like it's all doing the same thing, and slap a label on it. so then what does it mean to then stand back and sniff, 'everyone's doing the same thing'? like, if you define 'idm' as ONLY the stuff that sounds like old autechre/BoC/aphex/etc (as some people apparently do) then you've defined things in a way that leaves out the torrent of other music going on that sprawls all over the place. "Warren's Rectum" <idmlist@hotmail.com> wrote:

quoted 5 lines I can enjoy well produced conceptual

> I can enjoy well produced conceptual >art just as much, but from my point of view it seems EXTREAMLY hard to do >without coming off as pretentious or even ridiculous. IDM, to me, seems to >rely more on an exploration of sound, technique, and expression rather than >social-political ideals, and current event commentary.

i find that to be an area where electronica could go. in different ways, Moodymann, Theo Parrish, Ekkehard Ehlers and Thomas Brinkmann have all produced music that successfully blends concepts with sonically interesting music. those guys are all doing it more or less in an 'art' kind of way, but even Boards of Canada have a bunch of pop-like, amusing, conceptual concept in their work. so, i don't know, I think if you're inclined to express yourself that way, it hardly dooms you to coming off pretentious or ridiculous. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

2002-12-20 18:40donna summer>of course you're right essentially, given the modernist conceit behind the >music which v

From:: donna summer <donnasummerwfmu@hotmail.com>
To:: <supine@pendulous.org>, <idm@hyperreal.org>
Cc:: <idmlist@hotmail.com>
Date:: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 13:40:30 -0500
Subject:: Re: [idm] yes indeed NO NO NO- DS YES-kh

quoted 10 lines of course you're right essentially, given the modernist conceit behind the

>of course you're right essentially, given the modernist conceit behind the >music which values innovation, there's a staggering about of conformity. >really it's like any other musical genre, people depend on conventions >heavily. > >but here's the thought I always have: to expect non-conformity with a Genre >is a contradiction. to define a genre is to pick out this this this and >that sounds like it's all doing the same thing, and slap a label on it. so >then what does it mean to then stand back and sniff, 'everyone's doing the >same thing'?

Yes you're right completely... But I guess that's the problem with Idm being a genre of nongenre music! HA!

quoted 5 lines like, if you define 'idm' as ONLY the stuff that sounds like old

> >like, if you define 'idm' as ONLY the stuff that sounds like old >autechre/BoC/aphex/etc (as some people apparently do) then you've defined >things in a way that leaves out the torrent of other music going on that >sprawls all over the place.

I totally agree. Luckily I think other "genre's" (speaking loosely here, just as genre might be explored within teh realm of house and it's millions of sub sub sub genres) have sprung up to accept the many spillovers that just had no other place to "fit" years ago... IDM, to me,

quoted 13 lines seems to

>>seems to >>rely more on an exploration of sound, technique, and expression rather >>than >>social-political ideals, and current event commentary. > >i find that to be an area where electronica could go. in different ways, >Moodymann, Theo Parrish, Ekkehard Ehlers and Thomas Brinkmann have all >produced music that successfully blends concepts with sonically interesting >music. those guys are all doing it more or less in an 'art' kind of way, >but even Boards of Canada have a bunch of pop-like, amusing, conceptual >concept in their work. so, i don't know, I think if you're inclined to >express yourself that way, it hardly dooms you to coming off pretentious or >ridiculous.

Yeah I agree, but I've been on the "art" band waggon for so long that it's hard for me to really know what is and isn't pretentious (just personally speaking). That said, I think it's probably better to have an ideological standpoint as well as some assertive conceptual frame work for your music than to NOT have one! I guess I figure it's always better to strive to make multi-leveled music than to try to make music that just hits one one way... _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

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