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quoted 2 lines i've really been digging this jan jelinek release... i've checked out

>i've really been digging this jan jelinek release... i've checked out >some of his other stuff under several aliases.

yes i know, kind of a late answer, but there is a new jan jelinek coming up EN/OF (004) with a photo print by sarah morris and extremely limited it seems. ep is called *ICE Compositions* ICE being our fastest train thing here in germany. four tracks in the clicky deep vein of loopfinding other coming releases on the label (a sub of bottrop boy btw.) 005 Alejandra and Aeron *Scotch Monsters* with Henrik Hakanson found object 006 TV Pow *America Says Farewell* with Angela Bulloch Laser Print for more info check out http://www.bottrop-boy.com sascha / bleed http://www.de-bug.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

"jacob z." <jsz@eds.org> writes:

quoted 3 lines does anyone have any recommendations for other

> does anyone have any recommendations for other > artists or tracks that might do me right in this > vein?

Mood-wise, I hear some similarity in Electric Birds' 'Strata Frames' and maybe even the 'Ele' / 'Entain' by Vladislav Delay. But I don't think anyone really has that housey feel that Jan Jelinek gets in there with the more ambient and conceptual aspects. You can check out sound clips from that Electric Birds album at http://www.u-cover.com .. Michael - http://www.ampcast.com/jetjaguar http://www.involverecords.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 8 lines does anyone have any recommendations for other

> > does anyone have any recommendations for other > > artists or tracks that might do me right in this > > vein? > > Mood-wise, I hear some similarity in Electric Birds' 'Strata Frames' > and maybe even the 'Ele' / 'Entain' by Vladislav Delay. But I don't > think anyone really has that housey feel that Jan Jelinek gets in there > with the more ambient and conceptual aspects.

I think the Delay comparison/recommendation is very apt. My opinion about the Jelinek record differs from what I've heard the majority of people say. I picked it up after all the praise I saw, even from people whose tastes I trust, but wasn't impressed. I actually got rid of it. I'd much rather listen to Delay's records, who I thought it sounded very similar to. I thought it had too much of what I call a "fashion boutique house" feel, the kind of stuff they'd play at like an Armani store or sumthin. That kind of music where the harmony is just static minor seventh chords modulating up and down really annoys me. It's the ultimate cliche when dance music people try to sound "jazzy". Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 20 lines does anyone have any recommendations for other

> > > does anyone have any recommendations for other >> > artists or tracks that might do me right in this >> > vein? >> >> Mood-wise, I hear some similarity in Electric Birds' 'Strata Frames' >> and maybe even the 'Ele' / 'Entain' by Vladislav Delay. But I don't >> think anyone really has that housey feel that Jan Jelinek gets in there >> with the more ambient and conceptual aspects. > >I think the Delay comparison/recommendation is very apt. > >My opinion about the Jelinek record differs from what I've heard the >majority of people say. I picked it up after all the praise I saw, even >from people whose tastes I trust, but wasn't impressed. I actually got rid >of it. I'd much rather listen to Delay's records, who I thought it sounded >very similar to. I thought it had too much of what I call a "fashion >boutique house" feel, the kind of stuff they'd play at like an Armani >store or sumthin. That kind of music where the harmony is just static >minor seventh chords modulating up and down really annoys me. It's the >ultimate cliche when dance music people try to sound "jazzy".

I would have to agree-I was none too impressed with this record, especially after hearing all the praise of it. Vladislav Delay runs circles around this material IMO. And his Luomo project is a perfect example of how to do house music right... -- ^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^-^- omz beautamous loaf recordings http://www.hotweird.com/loaf/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Quoting omz <omz23@speakeasy.net>:

quoted 25 lines does anyone have any recommendations for other

> > > > does anyone have any recommendations for other > >> > artists or tracks that might do me right in this > >> > vein? > >> > >> Mood-wise, I hear some similarity in Electric Birds' 'Strata Frames' > >> and maybe even the 'Ele' / 'Entain' by Vladislav Delay. But I don't > >> think anyone really has that housey feel that Jan Jelinek gets in there > >> with the more ambient and conceptual aspects. > > > >I think the Delay comparison/recommendation is very apt. > > > >My opinion about the Jelinek record differs from what I've heard the > >majority of people say. I picked it up after all the praise I saw, even > >from people whose tastes I trust, but wasn't impressed. I actually got rid > >of it. I'd much rather listen to Delay's records, who I thought it sounded > >very similar to. I thought it had too much of what I call a "fashion > >boutique house" feel, the kind of stuff they'd play at like an Armani > >store or sumthin. That kind of music where the harmony is just static > >minor seventh chords modulating up and down really annoys me. It's the > >ultimate cliche when dance music people try to sound "jazzy". > > I would have to agree-I was none too impressed with this record, > especially after hearing all the praise of it. Vladislav Delay runs > circles around this material IMO. And his Luomo project is a perfect > example of how to do house music right...

I find Jelinek's releases under the Farben moniker more enjoyable than his 'loop finding jazz' stuff. As for Luomo, Delay certainly got the house groove thang going, but I had difficulty getting over/around/through the cheesy vocals. alan/beyond...sound -- ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: www-mail.usyd.edu.au --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Andrei wrote:

quoted 10 lines does anyone have any recommendations for other

> > > does anyone have any recommendations for other > > > artists or tracks that might do me right in this > > > vein? > > > > Mood-wise, I hear some similarity in Electric Birds' 'Strata Frames' > > and maybe even the 'Ele' / 'Entain' by Vladislav Delay. But I don't > > think anyone really has that housey feel that Jan Jelinek gets in there > > with the more ambient and conceptual aspects. > > I think the Delay comparison/recommendation is very apt.

i've got a little Delay (Multila is quite nice) and i dig it as well. thanks everyone for your suggestions.

quoted 9 lines My opinion about the Jelinek record differs from what I've heard the

> My opinion about the Jelinek record differs from what I've heard the > majority of people say. I picked it up after all the praise I saw, even > from people whose tastes I trust, but wasn't impressed. I actually got rid > of it. I'd much rather listen to Delay's records, who I thought it sounded > very similar to. I thought it had too much of what I call a "fashion > boutique house" feel, the kind of stuff they'd play at like an Armani > store or sumthin. That kind of music where the harmony is just static > minor seventh chords modulating up and down really annoys me. It's the > ultimate cliche when dance music people try to sound "jazzy".

one of the things i like about loop finding jazz is that it doesn't have a particularly housey feel - the "thud thud thud thud" kick drum on every quarter note is conspicuously absent... farben tends to be housier, and it's not exactly what i'm looking for. i agree about dance music people trying to sound "jazzy", but i'd say here it works because jelinek is only taking the textures from jazz - this music is so minimal as to shove texture right into the foreground of listening interest... it's not like there are wailing sax solos or anything. i'd say the minimal harmony is an aesthetic choice - it forces you to pay attention to the textures, and injects a sense of static numbness. ...that i've had mini-skirted "fashion boutique" type girls come up to me when i put this on and say "this music is making me uncomfortable" makes me feel even better about it. ;) j --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

omz <omz23@speakeasy.net> writes:

quoted 3 lines I would have to agree-I was none too impressed with > this record, especially after hea

> I would have to agree-I was none too impressed with > this record, especially after hearing all the praise > of it. Vladislav Delay runs circles around this > material IMO. And his Luomo project is a perfect > example of how to do house music right...

Well, I didn't particularly like 'loop-finding-jazz-records' either, but his more purely house stuff is good house, IMO. Stuff like his Farben 12"s on Klang Electronic. I also really enjoy his Gramm album on Source (the German one), but he did describe it himself as a kind of lounge music. If you go to it expecting something at all like Vladislav Delay you'll be disappointed. Just thought I'd put in my 2 cents in case that's all you've heard of Jelinek's releases. Michael - http://www.ampcast.com/jetjaguar http://www.involverecords.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

anything by bob james>he composed the Taxi theme...plenty of good soul/funk samples could be had in any of his records... matt

quoted 1 line of it. I'd much rather listen to Delay's records, who I thought it

> > >of it. I'd much rather listen to Delay's records, who I thought it

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quoted 2 lines very similar to. I thought it had too much of what I call a "fashion

> > >very similar to. I thought it had too much of what I call a "fashion > > >boutique house" feel, the kind of stuff they'd play at like an Armani

Hmmm...admittedly, 'Entain' and 'Naima' are the only Vladislav Delay releases I have (not counting Luomo) but I hear very little similarity between them and LFJR. I think some of you are put off because it lacks Delay's aggressive production, but to me, the fact that he managed to avoid that while keeping his tracks consistently engaging is the album's real achievement. I dunno, I'm tempted to use words like 'restraint', 'poise', 'delicacy'. Lukas (who prefers the Delay material, but hates to see a pile-on) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 8 lines does anyone have any recommendations for other

> > > does anyone have any recommendations for other > > > artists or tracks that might do me right in this > > > vein? > > > > Mood-wise, I hear some similarity in Electric Birds' 'Strata Frames' > > and maybe even the 'Ele' / 'Entain' by Vladislav Delay. But I don't > > think anyone really has that housey feel that Jan Jelinek gets in there > > with the more ambient and conceptual aspects.

I love this CD, but I haven't heard anything else quite like it either...

quoted 11 lines My opinion about the Jelinek record differs from what I've heard the

> My opinion about the Jelinek record differs from what I've heard the > majority of people say. I picked it up after all the praise I saw, even > from people whose tastes I trust, but wasn't impressed. I actually got rid > of it. I'd much rather listen to Delay's records, who I thought it sounded > very similar to. I thought it had too much of what I call a "fashion > boutique house" feel, the kind of stuff they'd play at like an Armani > store or sumthin. That kind of music where the harmony is just static > minor seventh chords modulating up and down really annoys me. It's the > ultimate cliche when dance music people try to sound "jazzy". > > Andrei

But Andrei -- I think that's the whole point of the CD -- he didn't put those chords in there to 'sound jazzy', he used samples from actual jazz records and manipulated them. So even though we can't even tell whether the sounds we hear originally came from piano, guitar, kalimba, or whatever, we can still hear the original notes that were played -- jazz chord voicings. I think the abstract jazzy vibe is cool... John -- John von Seggern http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

check out murcof. just got a copy of their album on the leaf label, 'martes'. kind of like jan jelinek, rechenzentrum and sutekh (he did an ep on his context label). i'm listening to it at the moment, it's pretty incredible. -ross. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

"jacob z." wrote:

quoted 3 lines ...that i've had mini-skirted "fashion boutique" type girls come up to me

> ...that i've had mini-skirted "fashion boutique" type girls come up to me > when i put this on and say "this music is making me uncomfortable" makes > me feel even better about it. ;)

First time I've ever heard someone say they liked some music because it repelled women...? John -- John von Seggern http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, John von Seggern wrote:

quoted 8 lines "jacob z." wrote:

> "jacob z." wrote: > > > ...that i've had mini-skirted "fashion boutique" type girls come up to me > > when i put this on and say "this music is making me uncomfortable" makes > > me feel even better about it. ;) > > First time I've ever heard someone say they liked some music because it > repelled women...?

heh heh... my girlfriend likes it, though... seriously, this music is pretty "slick", but it doesn't sound like an armani fashion show to me. one of the things i like about it is the way it plays around with musical conventions - taking the production language of house and the lo-fi textures of scratchy jazz records and making something, to my ears, novel. i can see how it might make people who are used to conventions it juggles a litle uncomfortable... j on a somewhat related note, this reminds me of my friend's rant about idm... "why do we get into music in the first place? duh, to get women. after your rock set, or your 3 hours spinning house, girls are clamouring for your attention. after your idm show, what do you get? scruffy nerds who want to know what kind of midi controller that is..." ;) ;) ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, jacob z. wrote:

quoted 4 lines one of the things i like about it is the way

> one of the things i like about it is the way > it plays around with musical conventions - taking the production language > of house and the lo-fi textures of scratchy jazz records and making > something, to my ears, novel.

I don't have the cd anymore so this is from memory, but I remember listening to the album and noticing there wasn't anything jazz-like about it. Obviously it's not constructed like jazz, but harmonically and especially melodically it wasn't "jazzy". The thought struck me that the whole sampling of jazz records angle was more just marketing. Andrei --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, Andrei wrote:

quoted 12 lines On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, jacob z. wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, jacob z. wrote: > > > one of the things i like about it is the way > > it plays around with musical conventions - taking the production language > > of house and the lo-fi textures of scratchy jazz records and making > > something, to my ears, novel. > > I don't have the cd anymore so this is from memory, but I remember > listening to the album and noticing there wasn't anything jazz-like about > it. Obviously it's not constructed like jazz, but harmonically and > especially melodically it wasn't "jazzy". The thought struck me that the > whole sampling of jazz records angle was more just marketing.

i think that sampling on this record wasn't done the way most people think of sampling - it's doesn't sound like he was taking loops or phrases or beats, more like a horn or string sounds stretched waaaaaay out to begome his pads, or a little record pop becoming his rhythm... this way he gets somewhat jazzy textures without using much of what harmonically or melodically makes music jazz. there isn't much in the way of melody on the record anyway... i guess this is part of why i like the record so much - i love it when people sample something and use it in a completely different context. taking just the barest minimum of a sound and using your digital tools to scuplt it into something miles away from its source... it's postmodern and it's funky! j --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Andrei <andrei@world.std.com> wrote:

quoted 2 lines The thought struck me that the whole sampling of

> The thought struck me that the whole sampling of > jazz records angle was more just marketing.

Jelinek has written that he is very interested in placing formal restrictions on his music to see what he can achieve without breaking them. On 'loop-finding-jazz-records' I understand his two limitations were that he would use only samples from jazz records, and that every track would be an experiment in using the shifting loop points function on his sampler. I'd say that the latter precludes the possibility of the results being like jazz. So it may have been a marketing decision to play up this angle, but on Jelinek's part (unless he's just making shit up after the fact) the use of jazz samples was an artistic choice. Arguably a fairly arbitrary one, given the results.. :) Michael - http://www.ampcast.com/jetjaguar http://www.involverecords.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

Andrei wrote:

quoted 14 lines On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, jacob z. wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, jacob z. wrote: > > > one of the things i like about it is the way > > it plays around with musical conventions - taking the production language > > of house and the lo-fi textures of scratchy jazz records and making > > something, to my ears, novel. > > I don't have the cd anymore so this is from memory, but I remember > listening to the album and noticing there wasn't anything jazz-like about > it. Obviously it's not constructed like jazz, but harmonically and > especially melodically it wasn't "jazzy". The thought struck me that the > whole sampling of jazz records angle was more just marketing. > > Andrei

I can hear the jazz sounds coming through -- like the voicings of the chords, and the overall ambience/vibe. It's not on an overt level, though, the connection is almost subliminal because he's mutated his samples so much. John -- John von Seggern http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

"jacob z." wrote:

quoted 15 lines i think that sampling on this record wasn't done the way most people think

> i think that sampling on this record wasn't done the way most people think > of sampling - it's doesn't sound like he was taking loops or phrases or > beats, more like a horn or string sounds stretched waaaaaay out to begome > his pads, or a little record pop becoming his rhythm... this way he gets > somewhat jazzy textures without using much of what harmonically or > melodically makes music jazz. there isn't much in the way of melody on > the record anyway... > > i guess this is part of why i like the record so much - i love it when > people sample something and use it in a completely different > context. taking just the barest minimum of a sound and using your digital > tools to scuplt it into something miles away from its source... it's > postmodern and it's funky! > > j

I agree, I feel the same way...limiting the sound sources to jazz records is just one interesting way of working... -- John von Seggern http://www.digitalcutuplounge.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org