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2002-02-26 20:44Amanda Nelson [idm] "gay idm"
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2002-02-27 11:37Glenn McClements Re: [idm] "gay idm"
└─ 2002-02-27 14:39Greg Smith Re: [idm] "gay idm"
└─ 2002-02-27 14:57Gabriel J. Weinstock Re: [idm] "gay idm"
2002-02-27 11:48Bill Burroughs Re: [idm] "gay idm"
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2002-02-26 20:44Amanda NelsonCome on, the sexuality of the artists is really not pertinent to their music, I cannot bel
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Come on, the sexuality of the artists is really not pertinent to their music, I cannot believe you are having this discussion. It is offensive that people have to justify a female's talent by attaching her to a talented male (i.e. Mira Calix and member or Autechre), or by working out one's anxiety of female's joining the male world of IDM by fantasizing about female artist's sexual relations with one another. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-26 21:20Adam Piontek--- Amanda Nelson <amandaannnelson@hotmail.com> wrote: > Come on, the sexuality of the art
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--- Amanda Nelson <amandaannnelson@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 4 lines Come on, the sexuality of the artists is really not> Come on, the sexuality of the artists is really not > pertinent to their > music, I cannot believe you are having this > discussion.
Who is having this discussion seriously?
quoted 4 lines It is offensive> It is offensive > that people have to justify a female's talent by > attaching her to a talented > male (i.e. Mira Calix and member or Autechre), or by
Who did this?
quoted 4 lines working out one's> working out one's > anxiety of female's joining the male world of IDM by > fantasizing about > female artist's sexual relations with one another.
No one did this, either. Although, personally, I'd pay to see Bjork & Andrea Parker go at it. And if it weren't for their beards, I'd pay to see the BoC boys go at it, too. I'd pay even more to see AFX & []pusher go at it, if they'd get haircuts and shaves as well. I'm not into that "natural" look :D ===== .Adam http://www.damek.org/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-26 21:11mr. bozacOk - why is it that everyone in IDM (save Andrea Parker, rrrow!) has yucky hair? And beard
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Ok - why is it that everyone in IDM (save Andrea Parker, rrrow!) has yucky hair? And beards. Or no hair and smokes? Except if they're Matmos, who have good hair-product hair? I guess it's the gayness (see ridiculously long thread "gay idm") ? At least trim the damn beard and put on a shirt with a collar or something ... I mean Squarepusher could be a superstar if he'd get rid of the software engineer beard ... guh. :) mr. blackwell er, bozac On Tue, 26 Feb 2002, Adam Piontek wrote:
quoted 46 lines --- Amanda Nelson <amandaannnelson@hotmail.com> wrote:> --- Amanda Nelson <amandaannnelson@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Come on, the sexuality of the artists is really not > > pertinent to their > > music, I cannot believe you are having this > > discussion. > > Who is having this discussion seriously? > > > It is offensive > > that people have to justify a female's talent by > > attaching her to a talented > > male (i.e. Mira Calix and member or Autechre), or by > > Who did this? > > > working out one's > > anxiety of female's joining the male world of IDM by > > fantasizing about > > female artist's sexual relations with one another. > > No one did this, either. > > Although, personally, I'd pay to see Bjork & Andrea > Parker go at it. And if it weren't for their beards, > I'd pay to see the BoC boys go at it, too. > > I'd pay even more to see AFX & []pusher go at it, if > they'd get haircuts and shaves as well. I'm not into > that "natural" look :D > > > > ===== > .Adam > http://www.damek.org/ > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-02-27 06:01Lander-- Amanda Nelson <amandaannnelson@hotmail.com> wrote: > Come on, the sexuality of the arti
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-- Amanda Nelson <amandaannnelson@hotmail.com> wrote:
quoted 8 lines Come on, the sexuality of the artists is really not pertinent to their> Come on, the sexuality of the artists is really not pertinent to their > music, I cannot believe you are having this discussion. It is offensive > > that people have to justify a female's talent by attaching her to a > talented > male (i.e. Mira Calix and member or Autechre), or by working out one's > anxiety of female's joining the male world of IDM by fantasizing about > female artist's sexual relations with one another.
You are totally right, but in context you are also overreacting... this pathetic thread-- to which you are now contributing, I must point out-- started out with someone fantasizing about male artists' sexual relations with one another. They were talking about "gay," and someone mentioned some female artists, and since the subject of the thread was "gay," it was a logical progression to speculate about them gettin' it on. Just felt some inexplicable urge to clear that up. Z __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-27 11:37Glenn McClements> It is offensive that people have to justify a female's talent by > attaching her to a ta
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quoted 2 lines It is offensive that people have to justify a female's talent by> It is offensive that people have to justify a female's talent by > attaching her to a talented male (i.e. Mira Calix and member or Autechre)
Actually they are attached, as in Chantal is married to Sean Booth. Plus I think Sean produced her first album. Glenn --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-27 14:39Greg Smithon 2/27/02 3:37 AM, Glenn McClements at glenn.mcclements@openwave.com scrawled: >> It is o
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on 2/27/02 3:37 AM, Glenn McClements at glenn.mcclements@openwave.com scrawled:
quoted 6 lines It is offensive that people have to justify a female's talent by>> It is offensive that people have to justify a female's talent by >> attaching her to a talented male (i.e. Mira Calix and member or Autechre) > > Actually they are attached, as in Chantal is married to Sean Booth. Plus > I think Sean produced her first album. >
WHERE DID THEY GO ON THEIR HONEYMOON? I NEED TO KNOW AS IT WILL HELP ME BETTER UNDERSTAND THEIR RESPECTIVE MUSICS BETTER. ~g --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-27 14:57Gabriel J. Weinstock> scrawled: > >> It is offensive that people have to justify a female's talent by > >> att
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quoted 12 lines scrawled:> scrawled: > >> It is offensive that people have to justify a female's talent by > >> attaching her to a talented male (i.e. Mira Calix and member or > >> Autechre) > > > > Actually they are attached, as in Chantal is married to Sean Booth. Plus > > I think Sean produced her first album. > > WHERE DID THEY GO ON THEIR HONEYMOON? I NEED TO KNOW AS IT WILL HELP ME > BETTER UNDERSTAND THEIR RESPECTIVE MUSICS BETTER. > > ~g
this has to be the best post I've read in a few months, at least. g. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-27 11:48Bill BurroughsAnyway, all it is showing is that they both have good taste... Also, not wanting to start
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Anyway, all it is showing is that they both have good taste... Also, not wanting to start more arguments, but, in a faceless world like electronica/idm, one would expect there to be as many female artists as there are male...obviously, more men are into electronica/idm, than women...then again, I'm sure the opposite could be said for many other genres of music...I don't see the problem...men are different to women...IN GENERAL: they like different things...they think differently...they have different talents... Actually, come to think of it...I would love to hear what sort of music Mira and Sean listen to at home, by themselves...I bet there wouldn't be a constant need to compromise between the musical styles of two partners... :) RoNAn P.S. Women and Men are not equal! Women are better... <-------------> Everything is True, Nothing is Permissible ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn McClements" <glenn.mcclements@openwave.com> Cc: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [idm] "gay idm"
quoted 2 lines It is offensive that people have to justify a female's talent by> > It is offensive that people have to justify a female's talent by > > attaching her to a talented male (i.e. Mira Calix and member or
Autechre)
quoted 17 lines Actually they are attached, as in Chantal is married to Sean Booth. Plus> > Actually they are attached, as in Chantal is married to Sean Booth. Plus > I think Sean produced her first album. > > > Glenn > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-02-27 19:25EggyToastAt 11:48 AM 2/27/2002 +0000, you wrote: >Anyway, all it is showing is that they both have
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At 11:48 AM 2/27/2002 +0000, you wrote:
quoted 9 lines Anyway, all it is showing is that they both have good taste...>Anyway, all it is showing is that they both have good taste... > >Also, not wanting to start more arguments, but, in a faceless world like >electronica/idm, one would expect there to be as many female artists as >there are male...obviously, more men are into electronica/idm, than >women...then again, I'm sure the opposite could be said for many other >genres of music...I don't see the problem...men are different to women...IN >GENERAL: they like different things...they think differently...they have >different talents...
Well, since the only way women are able to be successful with anything is if they use their bodies in order to influence men, I can see why a faceless genre like "IDM" draws few female producers. It's hard to use your only advantage -- sex -- when personal interaction and photographs are not a prevalent part of the field. derek the feminist --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-27 20:56Matt JarskySatire or not, you hold the list hostage with your flame-bait. One of the qualities of sat
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Satire or not, you hold the list hostage with your flame-bait. One of the qualities of satire is that it is extreme. Credible on some level, yes, but extreme and perhaps incredible on others. Swift's "A Modest Proposal" proposed a reasonable argument for eating the poor. His tone was matter of fact and many people were outraged. However the fact that his solution to the problem of the poor should offend any human is the clue that the whole thing is a sham, a satire. Your views, unfortunately, are not that extreme. The view you expressed is probably in line with the beliefs of a good number of folks. How are we to know what your angle is? Of course people who know you will get the joke, but most of don't know you. So people must be forgiven for thinking your lame ass joke is the real deal. Peace, Matt
quoted 34 lines -----Original Message-----> -----Original Message----- > From: EggyToast [mailto:eggy@eggytoast.com] > Sent: February 27, 2002 3:26 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] "gay idm" > > > At 11:48 AM 2/27/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >Anyway, all it is showing is that they both have good taste... > > > >Also, not wanting to start more arguments, but, in a faceless world like > >electronica/idm, one would expect there to be as many female artists as > >there are male...obviously, more men are into electronica/idm, than > >women...then again, I'm sure the opposite could be said for many other > >genres of music...I don't see the problem...men are different to > women...IN > >GENERAL: they like different things...they think differently...they have > >different talents... > > Well, since the only way women are able to be successful with anything is > if they use their bodies in order to influence men, I can see why a > faceless genre like "IDM" draws few female producers. It's hard to use > your only advantage -- sex -- when personal interaction and > photographs are > not a prevalent part of the field. > > derek the feminist > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2002-02-28 00:21EggyToastAt 04:56 PM 2/27/2002 -0400, Matt Jarsky wrote: >Satire or not, you hold the list hostage
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At 04:56 PM 2/27/2002 -0400, Matt Jarsky wrote:
quoted 12 lines Satire or not, you hold the list hostage with your flame-bait.>Satire or not, you hold the list hostage with your flame-bait. > >One of the qualities of satire is that it is extreme. Credible on some >level, yes, but extreme and perhaps incredible on others. Swift's "A Modest >Proposal" proposed a reasonable argument for eating the poor. His tone was >matter of fact and many people were outraged. However the fact that his >solution to the problem of the poor should offend any human is the clue that >the whole thing is a sham, a satire. Your views, unfortunately, are not that >extreme. The view you expressed is probably in line with the beliefs of a >good number of folks. How are we to know what your angle is? Of course >people who know you will get the joke, but most of don't know you. So people >must be forgiven for thinking your lame ass joke is the real deal.
True; the problem with most satire is that there are nearly always people who believe it to be fact. Even in your example of poor people, although the majority would immediately become outraged, there are numerous "upper class" who believe all poor people should either be killed off, or do housework for them. One of the alternative purposes of satire, besides humor, is to motivate action, or at least persuade people to consider the situation. It's been a long-standing "joke" on the IDM list where the only reason females become interested in IDM is because a more music-savvy boyfriend turned them on to it. It's also a common misconception among male chauvinists and other breeds of sexist "pigdogs" that women only serve one purpose -- to make babies and look good. Hopefully this is not popular opinion on this list :D Rather, if anything, a post such as mine should encourage people to believe "hey, women can do anything they wish; they aren't limited by gender or mental prowess or anything." I'm sure any "flames" I would receive would recant something to that effect, putting more people in agreement over the situation. Which was my purpose all along (and, to people such as myself, it is the utmost in extreme social commentary. If you don't think it's extreme, perhaps you yourself should reconsider your stance on gender roles in society). derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-28 00:55Lander--- EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> wrote: > At 11:48 AM 2/27/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >Any
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--- EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> wrote:
quoted 23 lines At 11:48 AM 2/27/2002 +0000, you wrote:> At 11:48 AM 2/27/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >Anyway, all it is showing is that they both have good taste... > > > >Also, not wanting to start more arguments, but, in a faceless world > like > >electronica/idm, one would expect there to be as many female artists as > >there are male...obviously, more men are into electronica/idm, than > >women...then again, I'm sure the opposite could be said for many other > >genres of music...I don't see the problem...men are different to > women...IN > >GENERAL: they like different things...they think differently...they > have > >different talents... > > Well, since the only way women are able to be successful with anything > is > if they use their bodies in order to influence men, I can see why a > faceless genre like "IDM" draws few female producers. It's hard to use > your only advantage -- sex -- when personal interaction and photographs > are > not a prevalent part of the field. > > derek the feminist
Damn, you should change it to "buttery toast," cause you are SMOOOOOOTH. Teach me, oh wise[ass] one. Z __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-27 20:15ugly and mean--- Bill Burroughs <djmatus23@yahoo.com> wrote: > Anyway, all it is showing is that they b
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--- Bill Burroughs <djmatus23@yahoo.com> wrote:
quoted 10 lines Anyway, all it is showing is that they both have good taste...> Anyway, all it is showing is that they both have good taste... > > Also, not wanting to start more arguments, but, in a faceless world like > electronica/idm, one would expect there to be as many female artists as > there are male...obviously, more men are into electronica/idm, than > women...then again, I'm sure the opposite could be said for many other > genres of music...I don't see the problem...men are different to > women...IN > GENERAL: they like different things...they think differently...they have > different talents...
Wow, never seen this stupid topic on this list before. Can't we go back to talking about whether Bogdan is gay? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-27 20:05Bill BurroughsOh man...I'm jumping this ship, right now... Honest, my next message will be music orienta
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Oh man...I'm jumping this ship, right now... Honest, my next message will be music orientated ("oriented" for those using Americanised (or Americanized) English)... :P RoNAn <-------------> Everything is True, Nothing is Permissible ----- Original Message ----- From: "EggyToast" <eggy@eggytoast.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [idm] "gay idm"
quoted 8 lines At 11:48 AM 2/27/2002 +0000, you wrote:> At 11:48 AM 2/27/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >Anyway, all it is showing is that they both have good taste... > > > >Also, not wanting to start more arguments, but, in a faceless world like > >electronica/idm, one would expect there to be as many female artists as > >there are male...obviously, more men are into electronica/idm, than > >women...then again, I'm sure the opposite could be said for many other > >genres of music...I don't see the problem...men are different to
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quoted 7 lines GENERAL: they like different things...they think differently...they have> >GENERAL: they like different things...they think differently...they have > >different talents... > > Well, since the only way women are able to be successful with anything is > if they use their bodies in order to influence men, I can see why a > faceless genre like "IDM" draws few female producers. It's hard to use > your only advantage -- sex -- when personal interaction and photographs
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quoted 9 lines not a prevalent part of the field.> not a prevalent part of the field. > > derek the feminist > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-02-27 20:16Jason StickelWow! I jump ship from the tech-house archive because they got tired of my banter about "ID
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Wow! I jump ship from the tech-house archive because they got tired of my banter about "IDM" (as I play a lot of glitchy, bouncy, funky, non-4/4 friendly tech stuff as well) and what do I find in my very first e-mail but an anti-female sentiment regarding music...hmmmm. I will mark this as my official welcome...carry on men, carry on... J~
quoted 65 lines From: "Bill Burroughs" <djmatus23@yahoo.com>>From: "Bill Burroughs" <djmatus23@yahoo.com> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] "gay idm" >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:05:25 -0000 > >Oh man...I'm jumping this ship, right now... > >Honest, my next message will be music orientated ("oriented" for those >using >Americanised (or Americanized) English)... > >:P >RoNAn > ><-------------> >Everything is True, Nothing is Permissible > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "EggyToast" <eggy@eggytoast.com> >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:25 PM >Subject: Re: [idm] "gay idm" > > > > At 11:48 AM 2/27/2002 +0000, you wrote: > > >Anyway, all it is showing is that they both have good taste... > > > > > >Also, not wanting to start more arguments, but, in a faceless world >like > > >electronica/idm, one would expect there to be as many female artists as > > >there are male...obviously, more men are into electronica/idm, than > > >women...then again, I'm sure the opposite could be said for many other > > >genres of music...I don't see the problem...men are different to >women...IN > > >GENERAL: they like different things...they think differently...they >have > > >different talents... > > > > Well, since the only way women are able to be successful with anything >is > > if they use their bodies in order to influence men, I can see why a > > faceless genre like "IDM" draws few female producers. It's hard to use > > your only advantage -- sex -- when personal interaction and photographs >are > > not a prevalent part of the field. > > > > derek the feminist > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-02-27 15:44xstatik@kung-fo.nethaha..same here, this is the first time i've suscribed to the mailing list , and was surpr
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haha..same here, this is the first time i've suscribed to the mailing list , and was surprised to get the very message you got as my first message, totally non related to IDM but..hehe..ohwell. On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, Jason Stickel wrote:
quoted 87 lines Wow! I jump ship from the tech-house archive because they got tired of my> > Wow! I jump ship from the tech-house archive because they got tired of my > banter about "IDM" (as I play a lot of glitchy, bouncy, funky, non-4/4 > friendly tech stuff as well) and what do I find in my very first e-mail but > an anti-female sentiment regarding music...hmmmm. > > I will mark this as my official welcome...carry on men, carry on... > > J~ > > >From: "Bill Burroughs" <djmatus23@yahoo.com> > >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: Re: [idm] "gay idm" > >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:05:25 -0000 > > > >Oh man...I'm jumping this ship, right now... > > > >Honest, my next message will be music orientated ("oriented" for those > >using > >Americanised (or Americanized) English)... > > > >:P > >RoNAn > > > ><-------------> > >Everything is True, Nothing is Permissible > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "EggyToast" <eggy@eggytoast.com> > >To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 7:25 PM > >Subject: Re: [idm] "gay idm" > > > > > > > At 11:48 AM 2/27/2002 +0000, you wrote: > > > >Anyway, all it is showing is that they both have good taste... > > > > > > > >Also, not wanting to start more arguments, but, in a faceless world > >like > > > >electronica/idm, one would expect there to be as many female artists as > > > >there are male...obviously, more men are into electronica/idm, than > > > >women...then again, I'm sure the opposite could be said for many other > > > >genres of music...I don't see the problem...men are different to > >women...IN > > > >GENERAL: they like different things...they think differently...they > >have > > > >different talents... > > > > > > Well, since the only way women are able to be successful with anything > >is > > > if they use their bodies in order to influence men, I can see why a > > > faceless genre like "IDM" draws few female producers. It's hard to use > > > your only advantage -- sex -- when personal interaction and photographs > >are > > > not a prevalent part of the field. > > > > > > derek the feminist > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2002-02-27 20:30EggyToastAt 10:44 AM 2/27/2002 -0500, xstatik@kung-fo.net wrote: >haha..same here, this is the firs
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quoted 3 lines haha..same here, this is the first time i've suscribed to the mailing list>haha..same here, this is the first time i've suscribed to the mailing list >, and was surprised to get the very message you got as my first message, >totally non related to IDM but..hehe..ohwell.
hehe! I feel so privileged to have my satirical humor be your first experience of the IDM list. We're a very light hearted bunch who like having fun, and since words are our only real medium on the list, we make due with the resources we have. You didn't think I was serious, did you? I don't think I've ever seen the words "eggy toast" and "serious" in the same sentence, except for the occasional breakfast threads, where "I had some seriously good eggy toast this morning" is a common occurance. :D derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- with lather thingy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-27 15:59xstatik@kung-fo.netOn Wed, 27 Feb 2002, EggyToast wrote: > At 10:44 AM 2/27/2002 -0500, xstatik@kung-fo.net w
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On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, EggyToast wrote:
quoted 12 lines At 10:44 AM 2/27/2002 -0500, xstatik@kung-fo.net wrote:> At 10:44 AM 2/27/2002 -0500, xstatik@kung-fo.net wrote: > >haha..same here, this is the first time i've suscribed to the mailing list > >, and was surprised to get the very message you got as my first message, > >totally non related to IDM but..hehe..ohwell. > > hehe! I feel so privileged to have my satirical humor be your first > experience of the IDM list. > > We're a very light hearted bunch who like having fun, and since words are > our only real medium on the list, we make due with the resources we have. > > You didn't think I was serious, did you?
Nah, over the many years i've spent on the internet I've come to conclusion that one should not take everything as it is and or appears. So, nope =) I did not think you wore serious, but I did agree with certain points of your satirical comments.
quoted 5 lines I don't think I've ever seen the words "eggy toast" and "serious&> > I don't think I've ever seen the words "eggy toast" and "serious" in the > same sentence, except for the occasional breakfast threads, where "I had > some seriously good eggy toast this morning" is a common occurance. :D >
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2002-02-27 20:45zachary mastoonnewcomer beware: 99.99999% of obnoxious and/or politically-incorrect and/or off-topic stat
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newcomer beware: 99.99999% of obnoxious and/or politically-incorrect and/or off-topic statements are either sarchastic or from one of the many pretentious list-members we are so proud to converse with every day. and, the most exciting thing about the IDM list is when someone says something completely satirical, and some moron responds with a huge rambling email about how that person is rude and tries to correct them. this happened with the "BOC is gay" post. it's actually quite a shame you missed that one, but it evolved into this entirely off-topic mess that was your introduction to the list. welcome. zak. :D
quoted 36 lines From: EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com>>From: EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> >To: xstatik@kung-fo.net >CC: Jason Stickel <j_stickel_otfp@hotmail.com>,djmatus23@yahoo.com, ><idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] "gay idm" >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:30:14 -0600 > >At 10:44 AM 2/27/2002 -0500, xstatik@kung-fo.net wrote: >>haha..same here, this is the first time i've suscribed to the mailing list >>, and was surprised to get the very message you got as my first message, >>totally non related to IDM but..hehe..ohwell. > >hehe! I feel so privileged to have my satirical humor be your first >experience of the IDM list. > >We're a very light hearted bunch who like having fun, and since words are >our only real medium on the list, we make due with the resources we have. > >You didn't think I was serious, did you? > >I don't think I've ever seen the words "eggy toast" and "serious" in the >same sentence, except for the occasional breakfast threads, where "I had >some seriously good eggy toast this morning" is a common occurance. :D > >derek > >------- >eggytoast.com >------- >with lather thingy > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-02-27 16:44xstatik@kung-fo.netOn Wed, 27 Feb 2002, zachary mastoon wrote: > newcomer beware: > > 99.99999% of obnoxious
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quoted 10 lines newcomer beware:> newcomer beware: > > 99.99999% of obnoxious and/or politically-incorrect and/or off-topic > statements are either sarchastic or from one of the many pretentious > list-members we are so proud to converse with every day. and, the most > exciting thing about the IDM list is when someone says something completely > satirical, and some moron responds with a huge rambling email about how that > person is rude and tries to correct them. this happened with the "BOC is > gay" post. it's actually quite a shame you missed that one, but it evolved > into this entirely off-topic mess that was your introduction to the list.
hahah..yes i've heard that one before, many times it so happens that BOC is all that the people on soulseek talk about, but I should check out the IDM mailing list archive for that "BOC is gay" thread.
quoted 49 lines welcome.> > welcome. > > zak. :D > > > >From: EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> > >To: xstatik@kung-fo.net > >CC: Jason Stickel <j_stickel_otfp@hotmail.com>,djmatus23@yahoo.com, > ><idm@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: Re: [idm] "gay idm" > >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:30:14 -0600 > > > >At 10:44 AM 2/27/2002 -0500, xstatik@kung-fo.net wrote: > >>haha..same here, this is the first time i've suscribed to the mailing list > >>, and was surprised to get the very message you got as my first message, > >>totally non related to IDM but..hehe..ohwell. > > > >hehe! I feel so privileged to have my satirical humor be your first > >experience of the IDM list. > > > >We're a very light hearted bunch who like having fun, and since words are > >our only real medium on the list, we make due with the resources we have. > > > >You didn't think I was serious, did you? > > > >I don't think I've ever seen the words "eggy toast" and "serious" in the > >same sentence, except for the occasional breakfast threads, where "I had > >some seriously good eggy toast this morning" is a common occurance. :D > > > >derek > > > >------- > >eggytoast.com > >------- > >with lather thingy > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world?s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > >
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2002-02-27 20:56Jason StickelDerek - Certainly not...it takes a lot more to offend me. Try going to the tech-house arch
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Derek - Certainly not...it takes a lot more to offend me. Try going to the tech-house archive for a good laugh. A lot of what I imagine to be 30 year-old pissed off balding British blokes without a modicum of a sense of humor to be found amongst the bunch...believe me, this is a welcome change. Lots of name dropping there and posts like "yeah, I got this dub plate from Adam...oh, I mean DJ Whogivesashit, and it bangs. Great sweeping bassline with an ample moog synth and...blah, blah, BLAH, BLAH.....SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY!!! Okay, got that off my chest...again...carry on, chaps, carry on. J~
quoted 36 lines From: EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com>>From: EggyToast <eggy@eggytoast.com> >To: xstatik@kung-fo.net >CC: Jason Stickel <j_stickel_otfp@hotmail.com>,djmatus23@yahoo.com, ><idm@hyperreal.org> >Subject: Re: [idm] "gay idm" >Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 14:30:14 -0600 > >At 10:44 AM 2/27/2002 -0500, xstatik@kung-fo.net wrote: >>haha..same here, this is the first time i've suscribed to the mailing list >>, and was surprised to get the very message you got as my first message, >>totally non related to IDM but..hehe..ohwell. > >hehe! I feel so privileged to have my satirical humor be your first >experience of the IDM list. > >We're a very light hearted bunch who like having fun, and since words are >our only real medium on the list, we make due with the resources we have. > >You didn't think I was serious, did you? > >I don't think I've ever seen the words "eggy toast" and "serious" in the >same sentence, except for the occasional breakfast threads, where "I had >some seriously good eggy toast this morning" is a common occurance. :D > >derek > >------- >eggytoast.com >------- >with lather thingy > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-02-27 19:13xstatik@kung-fo.nethahaha..awesome picture, i'll have to save that one, it might come in handy sometimes..tha
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hahaha..awesome picture, i'll have to save that one, it might come in handy sometimes..thanks, whoever you are. ;) On Wed, 27 Feb 2002, For all the kids wrote:
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2002-02-28 00:43gw12bWhy is this bollocks topic still going on??? Perhaps the list moderator has resorted to wa
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Why is this bollocks topic still going on??? Perhaps the list moderator has resorted to watching paint dry and found it so much more interesting he / she aint coming back! ----- Original Message ----- From: "EggyToast" <eggy@eggytoast.com> To: "Matt Jarsky" <studio@cheapo.cc> Cc: "IDM" <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:21 AM Subject: RE: [idm] "gay idm"
quoted 5 lines At 04:56 PM 2/27/2002 -0400, Matt Jarsky wrote:> At 04:56 PM 2/27/2002 -0400, Matt Jarsky wrote: > >Satire or not, you hold the list hostage with your flame-bait. > > > >One of the qualities of satire is that it is extreme. Credible on some > >level, yes, but extreme and perhaps incredible on others. Swift's "A
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quoted 1 line Proposal" proposed a reasonable argument for eating the poor. His tone> >Proposal" proposed a reasonable argument for eating the poor. His tone
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quoted 2 lines matter of fact and many people were outraged. However the fact that his> >matter of fact and many people were outraged. However the fact that his > >solution to the problem of the poor should offend any human is the clue
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quoted 1 line the whole thing is a sham, a satire. Your views, unfortunately, are not> >the whole thing is a sham, a satire. Your views, unfortunately, are not
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quoted 3 lines extreme. The view you expressed is probably in line with the beliefs of a> >extreme. The view you expressed is probably in line with the beliefs of a > >good number of folks. How are we to know what your angle is? Of course > >people who know you will get the joke, but most of don't know you. So
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quoted 10 lines must be forgiven for thinking your lame ass joke is the real deal.> >must be forgiven for thinking your lame ass joke is the real deal. > > True; the problem with most satire is that there are nearly always people > who believe it to be fact. Even in your example of poor people, although > the majority would immediately become outraged, there are numerous "upper > class" who believe all poor people should either be killed off, or do > housework for them. > > One of the alternative purposes of satire, besides humor, is to motivate > action, or at least persuade people to consider the situation. It's been
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quoted 2 lines long-standing "joke" on the IDM list where the only reason females become> long-standing "joke" on the IDM list where the only reason females become > interested in IDM is because a more music-savvy boyfriend turned them on
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quoted 3 lines it. It's also a common misconception among male chauvinists and other> it. It's also a common misconception among male chauvinists and other > breeds of sexist "pigdogs" that women only serve one purpose -- to make > babies and look good. Hopefully this is not popular opinion on this list
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quoted 6 lines "hey, women can do anything they wish; they aren't limited by gender or> "hey, women can do anything they wish; they aren't limited by gender or > mental prowess or anything." I'm sure any "flames" I would receive would > recant something to that effect, putting more people in agreement over the > situation. Which was my purpose all along (and, to people such as myself, > it is the utmost in extreme social commentary. If you don't think it's > extreme, perhaps you yourself should reconsider your stance on gender
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quoted 14 lines in society).> in society). > > derek > > ------- > eggytoast.com > ------- > with lather thingy > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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quoted 100 lines Why is this bollocks topic still going on??? Perhaps the list moderator> Why is this bollocks topic still going on??? Perhaps the list moderator > has > resorted to watching paint dry and found it so much more interesting he > / > she aint coming back! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "EggyToast" <eggy@eggytoast.com> > To: "Matt Jarsky" <studio@cheapo.cc> > Cc: "IDM" <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 12:21 AM > Subject: RE: [idm] "gay idm" > > > > At 04:56 PM 2/27/2002 -0400, Matt Jarsky wrote: > > >Satire or not, you hold the list hostage with your flame-bait. > > > > > >One of the qualities of satire is that it is extreme. Credible on > some > > >level, yes, but extreme and perhaps incredible on others. Swift's "A > Modest > > >Proposal" proposed a reasonable argument for eating the poor. His > tone > was > > >matter of fact and many people were outraged. However the fact that > his > > >solution to the problem of the poor should offend any human is the > clue > that > > >the whole thing is a sham, a satire. Your views, unfortunately, are > not > that > > >extreme. The view you expressed is probably in line with the beliefs > of a > > >good number of folks. How are we to know what your angle is? Of > course > > >people who know you will get the joke, but most of don't know you. So > people > > >must be forgiven for thinking your lame ass joke is the real deal. > > > > True; the problem with most satire is that there are nearly always > people > > who believe it to be fact. Even in your example of poor people, > although > > the majority would immediately become outraged, there are numerous > "upper > > class" who believe all poor people should either be killed off, or do > > housework for them. > > > > One of the alternative purposes of satire, besides humor, is to > motivate > > action, or at least persuade people to consider the situation. It's > been > a > > long-standing "joke" on the IDM list where the only reason females > become > > interested in IDM is because a more music-savvy boyfriend turned them > on > to > > it. It's also a common misconception among male chauvinists and other > > breeds of sexist "pigdogs" that women only serve one purpose -- to > make > > babies and look good. Hopefully this is not popular opinion on this > list > :D > > > > Rather, if anything, a post such as mine should encourage people to > believe > > "hey, women can do anything they wish; they aren't limited by gender > or > > mental prowess or anything." I'm sure any "flames" I would receive > would > > recant something to that effect, putting more people in agreement over > the > > situation. Which was my purpose all along (and, to people such as > myself, > > it is the utmost in extreme social commentary. If you don't think > it's > > extreme, perhaps you yourself should reconsider your stance on gender > roles > > in society). > > > > derek > > > > ------- > > eggytoast.com > > ------- > > with lather thingy > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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2002-02-28 04:00Kurt HoffmanWell, it's funny that this thread came up, as it reminds me of the way so many of us came
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Well, it's funny that this thread came up, as it reminds me of the way so many of us came to become familiar with 'intelligent' dance music. I couldn't find a spot near Other Music, so my wife and two children took to circling the block in our new SUV. I'd intended to run in for a moment and get the new Mariah Carey album for my eldest daughter. I had no idea the place was any different from Tower Records, and was confused at first when I couldn't find the Mariah Carey section ( -- and what was "Krautrock"?). I asked one of the salespeople, this tall fellow who looked like he hadn't slept for a few days running, and, judging by his slightly musky aroma, hadn't bathed either. He paused for an awkwardly long time and then looked me over with his dull blue eyes. He kind of frowned and said, "oh yeah, I think we sold out of that one but...uh...c'mere, check this out..." A cashier buzzed him into the back and I followed him down a filthy corridor lined with boxes of cds. As he led the way, I couldn't help dwelling on his scent, which made him at once seem like a pathetic collage stoner and, at the same time, strangely animal. I felt my dick stirring in my pants, forming a casual, almost unnoticeable bulge in my pants. He pushed open a door, and revealed a minuscule, disheveled office, strewn with coffee cups, papers, and turntables in various states of decay. "Uh...let's see, you know we don't usually sell those, but, uh...I had one I got as a promo...uh..." I stood in the hallway, waiting for Mariah. His digging was apparently taking him awhile. I noticed a pungent smell of marijuana smoke wafting from the office. It was all a bit ridiculous, but there was something intriguing about this fellow. "Oh gee," I said, "you know I don't mean to be any trouble. My wife is double parked outside, I just thought I was running in for a moment." When there was no answer but a few painful coughs, I resolved to head back out to the car. "No, man, just one minute" said the absent-minded voice, and his slender, hairy hand lightly pulled me into the office, now blue with smoke, and closed the door. I looked up and was astonished to see that he had taken his shirt off. His chest was dark with long, thin hairs, curly around his vaguely defined pectorals. "Here," he said, stuffing a slightly moist joint into my mouth. He looked at me for a moment and smiled a dilapidated grin. "You ever hear that last Phoenecia thing?" he said, unbuttoning my shirt. I didn't know what to say. He looked sheepishly at my firmly muscled chest and fumbled gingerly with his nipple ring. There was nothing else to do -- I wrapped my arms around his warm, damp body and stuck my tongue down his throat, my body trembling with a surge of affection and lust. Somewhere in the charged atmosphere, a primal groove twisted and frayed, splaying out into a thousand industrial colors, erotic, masculine, swelling my heart, my mind, my cock to bursting fullness and reckless wandering.... Well, this is a roundabout way of getting to the fact that before I knew it, I was walking out of the store with the entire Schematic catalog, a Skam 45, a couple of the Studio 1 12"s, as well as a beat-up promo copy of a Mariah Carey album. My daughter was indignant about the condition of her Carey CD, my wife drolly inquiring as to why my face was so red (my first brush with whisker burn -- god -- what a good kisser that guy was...) and how was it I smelled like a zoo all of a sudden. I've been returning to this store and many others like it, now that I've found them to be at the center of a sexually liberated society. for me, IDM is the anthem of my awakening to love in the arms of men. who cares if Boards of Canada are not themselves homosexuals? I say, why not? Neither was Judy Garland. k --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-28 04:09Andrew Hime> Well, it's funny that this thread came up, as it reminds me of the > way so many of us c
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quoted 3 lines Well, it's funny that this thread came up, as it reminds me of the> Well, it's funny that this thread came up, as it reminds me of the > way so many of us came to become familiar with 'intelligent' dance > music.
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2002-02-28 19:51ugly and mean--- Andrew Hime <hime1@gte.net> wrote: > > Well, it's funny that this thread came up, as i
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quoted 10 lines Well, it's funny that this thread came up, as it reminds me of the> > Well, it's funny that this thread came up, as it reminds me of the > > way so many of us came to become familiar with 'intelligent' dance > > music. > > POST. > OF. > THE. > YEAR. > > And it's not even March yet.
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2002-02-28 04:15dominique .>Well, this is a roundabout way of getting to the fact that before I knew >it, I was walki
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quoted 10 lines Well, this is a roundabout way of getting to the fact that before I knew>Well, this is a roundabout way of getting to the fact that before I knew >it, I was walking out of the store with the entire Schematic catalog, a >Skam 45, a couple of the Studio 1 12"s... > >I've been returning to this store and many others like it, now that I've >found them to be at the center of a sexually liberated society. for me, IDM >is the anthem of my awakening to love in the arms of men. > >who cares if Boards of Canada are not themselves homosexuals? I say, >why not? Neither was Judy Garland.
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2002-02-28 04:16donna summerSomewhere in the charged atmosphere, a primal >groove twisted and frayed, splaying out int
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Somewhere in the charged atmosphere, a primal
quoted 3 lines groove twisted and frayed, splaying out into a thousand industrial>groove twisted and frayed, splaying out into a thousand industrial >colors, erotic, masculine, swelling my heart, my mind, my cock to >bursting fullness and reckless wandering....
Fucking great! Let's see how many serious replys you get! -But how come you did walk away with any Fat Cat split's? Donna S _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2002-02-28 04:36excm. prin. fuminaro konoyewell there you go... that record store post was bound to happen, there is no way around it
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well there you go... that record store post was bound to happen, there is no way around it now i guess, that will definitely develop into its own subgenre now, and sub-subculture... i haven't laughed so much in years, i swear... when he says about walking out with the whole schematic cat. i nearly popped a vocal chord laughing... i am going to start ordering records by internet only, just to be sure... On Wednesday, February 27, 2002, at 10:16 , donna summer wrote:
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2002-02-28 13:29Aaron D MeyersHAHAHA Congratulations Kurt. You just took the IDM List to the next level. -Aaron ----- Or
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HAHAHA Congratulations Kurt. You just took the IDM List to the next level. -Aaron ----- Original Message ----- From: Kurt Hoffman <supine@bway.net> Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:00 pm Subject: [idm] Re: "gay idm"
quoted 103 lines Well, it's funny that this thread came up, as it reminds me of the> Well, it's funny that this thread came up, as it reminds me of the > way so many of us came to become familiar with 'intelligent' dance > music. > > I couldn't find a spot near Other Music, so my wife and two > children > took to circling the block in our new SUV. I'd intended to run in > for > a moment and get the new Mariah Carey album for my eldest > daughter. I > had no idea the place was any different from Tower Records, and > was > confused at first when I couldn't find the Mariah Carey section ( - > - > and what was "Krautrock"?). > > I asked one of the salespeople, this tall fellow who looked like > he > hadn't slept for a few days running, and, judging by his slightly > musky aroma, hadn't bathed either. He paused for an awkwardly long > time and then looked me over with his dull blue eyes. He kind of > frowned and said, "oh yeah, I think we sold out of that one > but...uh...c'mere, check this out..." A cashier buzzed him into > the > back and I followed him down a filthy corridor lined with boxes of > cds. As he led the way, I couldn't help dwelling on his scent, > which > made him at once seem like a pathetic collage stoner and, at the > same > time, strangely animal. I felt my dick stirring in my pants, > forming > a casual, almost unnoticeable bulge in my pants. He pushed open a > door, and revealed a minuscule, disheveled office, strewn with > coffee > cups, papers, and turntables in various states of decay. > > "Uh...let's see, you know we don't usually sell those, but, uh...I > had one I got as a promo...uh..." > > I stood in the hallway, waiting for Mariah. His digging was > apparently taking him awhile. I noticed a pungent smell of > marijuana > smoke wafting from the office. It was all a bit ridiculous, but > there was something intriguing about this fellow. > > "Oh gee," I said, "you know I don't mean to be any trouble. My > wife > is double parked outside, I just thought I was running in for a > moment." When there was no answer but a few painful coughs, I > resolved to head back out to the car. > > "No, man, just one minute" said the absent-minded voice, and his > slender, hairy hand lightly pulled me into the office, now blue > with > smoke, and closed the door. I looked up and was astonished to see > that he had taken his shirt off. His chest was dark with long, > thin > hairs, curly around his vaguely defined pectorals. > > "Here," he said, stuffing a slightly moist joint into my mouth. He > looked at me for a moment and smiled a dilapidated grin. "You ever > hear that last Phoenecia thing?" he said, unbuttoning my shirt. I > didn't know what to say. He looked sheepishly at my firmly muscled > chest and fumbled gingerly with his nipple ring. There was > nothing > else to do -- I wrapped my arms around his warm, damp body and > stuck > my tongue down his throat, my body trembling with a surge of > affection and lust. Somewhere in the charged atmosphere, a primal > groove twisted and frayed, splaying out into a thousand industrial > colors, erotic, masculine, swelling my heart, my mind, my cock to > bursting fullness and reckless wandering.... > > Well, this is a roundabout way of getting to the fact that before > I > knew it, I was walking out of the store with the entire Schematic > catalog, a Skam 45, a couple of the Studio 1 12"s, as well as a > beat-up promo copy of a Mariah Carey album. My daughter was > indignant about the condition of her Carey CD, my wife drolly > inquiring as to why my face was so red (my first brush with > whisker > burn -- god -- what a good kisser that guy was...) and how was it > I > smelled like a zoo all of a sudden. > > I've been returning to this store and many others like it, now > that > I've found them to be at the center of a sexually liberated > society. > for me, IDM is the anthem of my awakening to love in the arms of men. > > who cares if Boards of Canada are not themselves homosexuals? I > say, > why not? Neither was Judy Garland. > > k > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2002-02-28 12:34xstatik@kung-fo.netIndeed, If i would have know the IDM mailing list is this much fun I would have signed up
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Indeed, If i would have know the IDM mailing list is this much fun I would have signed up a long time ago, this place is a sespool of literary creativity..heh On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Aaron D Meyers wrote:
quoted 17 lines HAHAHA> HAHAHA > > Congratulations Kurt. You just took the IDM List to the next level. > > -Aaron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kurt Hoffman <supine@bway.net> > Date: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 11:00 pm > Subject: [idm] Re: "gay idm" > > > Well, it's funny that this thread came up, as it reminds me of the > > way so many of us came to become familiar with 'intelligent' dance > > music. > > > > I couldn't find a spot near Other Music, so my wife and two yadda >yadda blah blah blah, I got fucked up the ass.
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2002-02-28 19:01Pierre-Jean BrepsonWell done Kurt , i didn't expect anything less from you. Pierre-Jean ---------------------
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