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2001-08-30 22:18Omar Hackett Re: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May, I'll bite!
2001-08-30 22:32Ron Jeremy Re: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May, I'll bite!
2001-08-30 23:06somrux Re: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May, I'll bite!
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2001-08-31 00:33somrux Re: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May, I'll bite!
2001-08-31 02:04Omar Hackett Re: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May, I'll bite!
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2001-08-31 02:40Omar Hackett Re: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May, I'll bite!
├─ 2001-08-31 02:52Bill Wright Re: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May, I'll bite!
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2001-08-31 03:08EggyToast Re: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May, I'll bite!
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2001-08-30 22:18Omar Hackett.......looks like you caught more than a worm......... I hate to burst your bubble but whe
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.......looks like you caught more than a worm......... I hate to burst your bubble but where did he go wrong in those statements. Fact is that since many of you youngsters got a hold of computers---U now make weak music(and I would hold that the output of weak releases to quality/substantive releases has sharply increased since that time). Look in the mirror and repeat the words denial my friend.............:) Here's what's weak, some gooney-nerds trying to analyze a statement by a Giant thats put out some good music over time and runs a huge record label. Which one of you R doing that? And how long have you been doing it? Besides, WE dont live according to your pop-cultural rules and all those shibboleths dervied therefrom.(How can a Mexican analyze Chinese culture?.......makes no cultural sense..)..like your comments, biased! Go analyze a statement from Elvis, u'd be closer to the mark.... ----- Original Message ----- From: somrux Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:42 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May I agree...that IS pretty weak. Boring music is boring music. It doesn't matter if someone turns it out on a computer, on a hardware sequencer or on a damn washboard with silver spoons. Crappy music is crappy music... -somrux. http://www.somrux.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reading, John" <jreading@proxicom.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: RE: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May
quoted 6 lines Computer-based sequencers> Computer-based sequencers > are going to > make the market more boring because it'll be easier for > people to create > boring music. What comes easy has no substance, what comes with > determination and a bit of innovation usually survives.
uhhhh... yeah... whatEVA! Seriously, that is probably the worst thing I've ever heard on the subject.
quoted 1 line it's not art any more> it's not art any more
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2001-08-30 22:32Ron JeremyWhy hasn't hasn't Mr. May made a single tune in the last 5 + years. I assume he still has
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Why hasn't hasn't Mr. May made a single tune in the last 5 + years. I assume he still has his gear. If there is so much bad music out there (which I tend to agree), you would think he would want to contribute something good.
quoted 56 lines From: "Omar Hackett" <Oways@msn.com>>From: "Omar Hackett" <Oways@msn.com> > >.......looks like you caught more than a worm......... > >I hate to burst your bubble but where did he go wrong in those statements. >Fact is that since many of you youngsters got a hold >of computers---U now make weak music(and I would hold >that the output of weak releases to quality/substantive >releases has sharply increased since that time). Look in the mirror and >repeat >the words denial my friend.............:) > >Here's what's weak, some gooney-nerds trying to analyze a statement >by a Giant thats put out some good music over time and runs >a huge record label. Which one of you R doing that? And how long have you >been doing it? Besides, WE dont live according to your pop-cultural >rules and all those shibboleths dervied therefrom.(How can a Mexican >analyze >Chinese culture?.......makes no cultural sense..)..like your comments, >biased! > >Go analyze a statement from Elvis, u'd be closer to the mark.... > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: somrux > >I agree...that IS pretty weak. > >Boring music is boring music. It doesn't matter if someone turns it out on >a computer, on a hardware sequencer or on a damn washboard with silver >spoons. Crappy music is crappy music... > >-somrux. >http://www.somrux.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Reading, John" <jreading@proxicom.com> > > > Computer-based sequencers > > are going to > > make the market more boring because it'll be easier for > > people to create > > boring music. What comes easy has no substance, what comes with > > determination and a bit of innovation usually survives. > >uhhhh... yeah... whatEVA! >Seriously, that is probably the worst thing I've ever heard on the >subject. > > > > it's not art any more > >typical, neophyte, kneejerk thing to say.>
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2001-08-30 23:06somruxNo, what's weak is YOU driving home the "in-your-opinion" fact that "we 'youngsters' got a
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No, what's weak is YOU driving home the "in-your-opinion" fact that "we 'youngsters' got ahold of computers and started making weak music". Are you saying that using a computer to produce or sequence music = crap? Because that was the subject, Omar. More pointedly... No one said that you have to "live according to your (our) pop-cultural rules"...now you're just getting wacky. I mean that it's weak to assume that more cruddy or 'less-than-quality' music is being made now because computers are actively being used more-and-more to produce and sequence said music. Any dumbass can go get a Casio SK5 and a make a gay song. So why don't calm your jets there, sparky. To summarize: In response to your last statement ("Go analyze a statement from Elvis, u'd be closer to the mark"), analyze these nuts. ---original message--- .......looks like you caught more than a worm......... I hate to burst your bubble but where did he go wrong in those statements. Fact is that since many of you youngsters got a hold of computers---U now make weak music(and I would hold that the output of weak releases to quality/substantive releases has sharply increased since that time). Look in the mirror and repeat the words denial my friend.............:) Here's what's weak, some gooney-nerds trying to analyze a statement by a Giant thats put out some good music over time and runs a huge record label. Which one of you R doing that? And how long have you been doing it? Besides, WE dont live according to your pop-cultural rules and all those shibboleths dervied therefrom.(How can a Mexican analyze Chinese culture?.......makes no cultural sense..)..like your comments, biased! Go analyze a statement from Elvis, u'd be closer to the mark.... ----- Original Message ----- From: somrux Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:42 PM To: idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May I agree...that IS pretty weak. Boring music is boring music. It doesn't matter if someone turns it out on a computer, on a hardware sequencer or on a damn washboard with silver spoons. Crappy music is crappy music... -somrux. http://www.somrux.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reading, John" <jreading@proxicom.com> To: <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: RE: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May
quoted 6 lines Computer-based sequencers> Computer-based sequencers > are going to > make the market more boring because it'll be easier for > people to create > boring music. What comes easy has no substance, what comes with > determination and a bit of innovation usually survives.
uhhhh... yeah... whatEVA! Seriously, that is probably the worst thing I've ever heard on the subject.
quoted 1 line it's not art any more> it's not art any more
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2001-08-31 00:29killog123@juno.comi'm curious, does gay = bad ? also, it's deez nuts not these nuts. thank you. On Thu, 30 A
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i'm curious, does gay = bad ? also, it's deez nuts not these nuts. thank you. On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:06:59 -0500 "somrux" <bishop@somrux.com> writes:
quoted 117 lines No, what's weak is YOU driving home the "in-your-opinion" fact that> No, what's weak is YOU driving home the "in-your-opinion" fact that > "we > 'youngsters' got ahold of computers and started making weak music". > Are you > saying that using a computer to produce or sequence music = crap? > Because > that was the subject, Omar. More pointedly... > > No one said that you have to "live according to your (our) > pop-cultural > rules"...now you're just getting wacky. I mean that it's weak to > assume > that more cruddy or 'less-than-quality' music is being made now > because > computers are actively being used more-and-more to produce and > sequence said > music. Any dumbass can go get a Casio SK5 and a make a gay song. > So why > don't calm your jets there, sparky. > > To summarize: In response to your last statement ("Go analyze a > statement > from Elvis, u'd be closer to the mark"), > > analyze these nuts. > > > > ---original message--- > > .......looks like you caught more than a worm......... > > I hate to burst your bubble but where did he go wrong in those > statements. > Fact is that since many of you youngsters got a hold > of computers---U now make weak music(and I would hold > that the output of weak releases to quality/substantive > releases has sharply increased since that time). Look in the mirror > and > repeat > the words denial my friend.............:) > > Here's what's weak, some gooney-nerds trying to analyze a statement > by a Giant thats put out some good music over time and runs > a huge record label. Which one of you R doing that? And how long > have you > been doing it? Besides, WE dont live according to your pop-cultural > rules and all those shibboleths dervied therefrom.(How can a Mexican > analyze > Chinese culture?.......makes no cultural sense..)..like your > comments, > biased! > > Go analyze a statement from Elvis, u'd be closer to the mark.... > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: somrux > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:42 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: Re: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May > > I agree...that IS pretty weak. > > Boring music is boring music. It doesn't matter if someone turns it > out on > a computer, on a hardware sequencer or on a damn washboard with > silver > spoons. Crappy music is crappy music... > > -somrux. > http://www.somrux.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Reading, John" <jreading@proxicom.com> > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:03 PM > Subject: RE: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May > > > > > > Computer-based sequencers > > are going to > > make the market more boring because it'll be easier for > > people to create > > boring music. What comes easy has no substance, what comes with > > determination and a bit of innovation usually survives. > > uhhhh... yeah... whatEVA! > Seriously, that is probably the worst thing I've ever heard on the > subject. > > > > it's not art any more > > typical, neophyte, kneejerk thing to say. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-08-31 00:33somruxLOL!!! ;) Gay isn't bad, no... he heh heh... ----- Original Message ----- From: <killog123
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LOL!!! ;) Gay isn't bad, no... he heh heh... ----- Original Message ----- From: <killog123@juno.com> To: <bishop@somrux.com> Cc: <Oways@msn.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May, I'll bite!
quoted 129 lines i'm curious, does gay = bad ?> i'm curious, does gay = bad ? > > also, it's deez nuts not these nuts. > thank you. > > On Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:06:59 -0500 "somrux" <bishop@somrux.com> writes: > > No, what's weak is YOU driving home the "in-your-opinion" fact that > > "we > > 'youngsters' got ahold of computers and started making weak music". > > Are you > > saying that using a computer to produce or sequence music = crap? > > Because > > that was the subject, Omar. More pointedly... > > > > No one said that you have to "live according to your (our) > > pop-cultural > > rules"...now you're just getting wacky. I mean that it's weak to > > assume > > that more cruddy or 'less-than-quality' music is being made now > > because > > computers are actively being used more-and-more to produce and > > sequence said > > music. Any dumbass can go get a Casio SK5 and a make a gay song. > > So why > > don't calm your jets there, sparky. > > > > To summarize: In response to your last statement ("Go analyze a > > statement > > from Elvis, u'd be closer to the mark"), > > > > analyze these nuts. > > > > > > > > ---original message--- > > > > .......looks like you caught more than a worm......... > > > > I hate to burst your bubble but where did he go wrong in those > > statements. > > Fact is that since many of you youngsters got a hold > > of computers---U now make weak music(and I would hold > > that the output of weak releases to quality/substantive > > releases has sharply increased since that time). Look in the mirror > > and > > repeat > > the words denial my friend.............:) > > > > Here's what's weak, some gooney-nerds trying to analyze a statement > > by a Giant thats put out some good music over time and runs > > a huge record label. Which one of you R doing that? And how long > > have you > > been doing it? Besides, WE dont live according to your pop-cultural > > rules and all those shibboleths dervied therefrom.(How can a Mexican > > analyze > > Chinese culture?.......makes no cultural sense..)..like your > > comments, > > biased! > > > > Go analyze a statement from Elvis, u'd be closer to the mark.... > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: somrux > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:42 PM > > To: idm@hyperreal.org > > Subject: Re: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May > > > > I agree...that IS pretty weak. > > > > Boring music is boring music. It doesn't matter if someone turns it > > out on > > a computer, on a hardware sequencer or on a damn washboard with > > silver > > spoons. Crappy music is crappy music... > > > > -somrux. > > http://www.somrux.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Reading, John" <jreading@proxicom.com> > > To: <idm@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:03 PM > > Subject: RE: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May > > > > > > > > > > > Computer-based sequencers > > > are going to > > > make the market more boring because it'll be easier for > > > people to create > > > boring music. What comes easy has no substance, what comes with > > > determination and a bit of innovation usually survives. > > > > uhhhh... yeah... whatEVA! > > Seriously, that is probably the worst thing I've ever heard on the > > subject. > > > > > > > it's not art any more > > > > typical, neophyte, kneejerk thing to say. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-08-31 02:04Omar HackettI'll try to take the "better" position and not argue, not even off list(.....I guess thing
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I'll try to take the "better" position and not argue, not even off list(.....I guess things do change.......:).....).. Great question Mr. Jeremy(long time), and I'd have to agree with you, and I dont have the answer, well not a recent answer. However I do know, like many, that there was some interesting debacle-like stuff that happened in the beginning and that may be effecting his output now, but ultimately I truly dont know. I do know however that the bloddy Time:Space comp is still rocking my(and my crew's) boat when ever we hit the town. Perhaps we should get on em and ask! (FYI, Somrux, I did think your post was funny and I agree, its just my opinion.....I'll try not to hit that send button in the future... so let-r-rip champ!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Jeremy Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 5:37 PM To: Oways@msn.com; idm@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May, I'll bite! Why hasn't hasn't Mr. May made a single tune in the last 5 + years. I assume he still has his gear. If there is so much bad music out there (which I tend to agree), you would think he would want to contribute something good.
quoted 56 lines From: "Omar Hackett" <Oways@msn.com>>From: "Omar Hackett" <Oways@msn.com> > >.......looks like you caught more than a worm......... > >I hate to burst your bubble but where did he go wrong in those statements. >Fact is that since many of you youngsters got a hold >of computers---U now make weak music(and I would hold >that the output of weak releases to quality/substantive >releases has sharply increased since that time). Look in the mirror and >repeat >the words denial my friend.............:) > >Here's what's weak, some gooney-nerds trying to analyze a statement >by a Giant thats put out some good music over time and runs >a huge record label. Which one of you R doing that? And how long have you >been doing it? Besides, WE dont live according to your pop-cultural >rules and all those shibboleths dervied therefrom.(How can a Mexican >analyze >Chinese culture?.......makes no cultural sense..)..like your comments, >biased! > >Go analyze a statement from Elvis, u'd be closer to the mark.... > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: somrux > >I agree...that IS pretty weak. > >Boring music is boring music. It doesn't matter if someone turns it out on >a computer, on a hardware sequencer or on a damn washboard with silver >spoons. Crappy music is crappy music... > >-somrux. >http://www.somrux.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Reading, John" <jreading@proxicom.com> > > > Computer-based sequencers > > are going to > > make the market more boring because it'll be easier for > > people to create > > boring music. What comes easy has no substance, what comes with > > determination and a bit of innovation usually survives. > >uhhhh... yeah... whatEVA! >Seriously, that is probably the worst thing I've ever heard on the >subject. > > > > it's not art any more > >typical, neophyte, kneejerk thing to say.>
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2001-08-31 02:17EggyToastWhat I don't understand is how people, who obviously have or lust after many different typ
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What I don't understand is how people, who obviously have or lust after many different types of gear, fail to realize that their hardware is as much a piece of technology as any computer. Computers used to use vacuum tubes, as well, but you don't see anyone trying to recreate that stuff :D Probably the only musical element available to humans that doesn't require technology is voice, and possibly some percussion. PLUS, the majority of new technology just makes old technology common. Anyone with ol' ReBirth and a little diligence can make pretty decent acid house, but that's because acid house is based upon the sounds, and it's been around for a while by now. It's like how 3 guys with a guitar, a bass, drums, and a 4 track can make punk. Punk isn't a novelty any more, but it sure was a big thing before it was labelled "punk." Now that tools like Reaktor are quite common, with much thanks to the "warez scene," even the relatively newer sounds of electronic music are available to many people, many of whom probably make horrible music, but, oh, here's an idea: maybe making music is a rather fun hobby that should be enjoyed by more people for a lower price? At 09:04 PM 8/30/2001 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 28 lines I'll try to take the "better" position and not argue, not>I'll try to take the "better" position and not argue, not >even off list(.....I guess things do change.......:).....).. > >Great question Mr. Jeremy(long time), and I'd have to agree with you, >and I dont have the answer, well not a recent answer. However >I do know, like many, that there was some interesting debacle-like >stuff that happened in the beginning and that may be effecting >his output now, but ultimately I truly dont know. >I do know however that the bloddy Time:Space comp is still rocking my(and my >crew's) boat when ever we hit the town. > >Perhaps we should get on em and ask! > >(FYI, Somrux, I did think your post was funny and I agree, its >just my opinion.....I'll try not to hit that send button in the future... >so let-r-rip champ!) > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ron Jeremy >Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 5:37 PM >To: Oways@msn.com; idm@hyperreal.org >Subject: Re: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May, I'll bite! > >Why hasn't hasn't Mr. May made a single tune in the last 5 + years. I >assume he still has his gear. If there is so much bad music out there >(which I tend to agree), you would think he would want to contribute >something good.
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2001-08-31 13:38Kent williamsJayzus Mary and Joseph, it amazes me that anyone takes May's comments that seriously. A) t
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Jayzus Mary and Joseph, it amazes me that anyone takes May's comments that seriously. A) the conditions NOW are completely different than 11 years ago. B) May is a bit of a snake oil salesman. All the Detroit heads are now, to a greater or lesser extent, using computers. End of story. Live playing still figures into their production technique as well. And May's output SINCE 1990 has been vanishingly small. I wish him well and want to hear new May tracks as much as the next guy, but I'm not holding my breath. It's like waiting for a My Bloody Valentine album ... Maybe he's still working on a track since 1990 and just can't seem to play the bassline right. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-31 02:14killog123@juno.com> I do know however that the bloddy Time:Space comp is still rocking > my(and my > crew's)
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quoted 3 lines I do know however that the bloddy Time:Space comp is still rocking> I do know however that the bloddy Time:Space comp is still rocking > my(and my > crew's) boat when ever we hit the town.
god, i can only imagine kelly's 'crew'
quoted 2 lines Perhaps we should get on em and ask!> > Perhaps we should get on em and ask!
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2001-08-31 02:40Omar Hackett>>What I don't understand is how people, who obviously have or lust after many different t
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quoted 1 line What I don't understand is how people, who obviously have or lust after>>What I don't understand is how people, who obviously have or lust after
many different types of gear, fail to realize that their hardware is as much a piece of technology as any computer Thats a good point.
quoted 1 line Probably the only musical element available to humans that doesn't require>>Probably the only musical element available to humans that doesn't require
technology is voice, and possibly some percussion. That is too. But here's is my real sorta beef with the whole thing. Some guy reads a quote from the 90's, which hey, I am cool with that...brings it to the forum and makes it seem like Mr. May made that quote about ALL, and I will reiterate that ALL, people who use computers! Twisting the issue, into something totally different than its original intent, I believe. If we go back and listen to some of the dudes, on whatever side of the fence, who utilized computers more than the actual hardware.....let's face it, it was crap....much of it was cuz some where just trying to get rich, or get fame. NOT ALL, NOT ALL....so get that blanket indictment out of your numb-skull(that's not directed at you Egg). Nowadays, sure there's good music on both sides, and thats not indispute, rather what is in dispute perhaps is the degree of true creativity based on hard, long hard work. Computer artists have many more sounds to choose from and thats a definate advantage. But to make it sound like DM was saying that about ALL people who use software is twisted.
quoted 1 line oh, here's>>oh, here's
an idea: maybe making music is a rather fun hobby that should be enjoyed by more people for a lower price? Man Egg, thats the best comment I have heard in some time. Stay positive.....I'm trying.
2001-08-31 02:52Bill WrightUmm, actually, I quoted the quote exactly as it was said in its entirety, as well as gave
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Umm, actually, I quoted the quote exactly as it was said in its entirety, as well as gave a link to the completed interview. I don't see how I added any sense of context to it. -Bill At 09:40 PM 8/30/2001 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 12 lines What I don't understand is how people, who obviously have or lust after> >>What I don't understand is how people, who obviously have or lust after >many different types of gear, fail to realize that their hardware is as >much a piece of technology as any computer >Thats a good point. > >>Probably the only musical element available to humans that doesn't require >technology is voice, and possibly some percussion. >That is too. But here's is my real sorta beef with the whole thing. >Some guy reads a quote from the 90's, which hey, I am cool with >that...brings it to the forum and makes it seem like Mr. May made that >quote about ALL, and I will reiterate that ALL, people who use >computers! Twisting the issue, into something totally different than its >original intent, I believe. If we go back and listen to some of the
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2001-08-31 02:59EggyToast> >That is too. But here's is my real sorta beef with the whole thing. >Some guy reads a q
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quoted 17 lines That is too. But here's is my real sorta beef with the whole thing.> >That is too. But here's is my real sorta beef with the whole thing. >Some guy reads a quote from the 90's, which hey, I am cool with >that...brings it to the forum and makes it seem like Mr. May made that >quote about ALL, and I will reiterate that ALL, people who use >computers! Twisting the issue, into something totally different than its >original intent, I believe. If we go back and listen to some of the >dudes, on whatever side of the fence, who utilized computers more than the >actual hardware.....let's face it, it was crap....much of it was cuz some >where just trying to get rich, or get fame. NOT ALL, NOT ALL....so get >that blanket indictment out of your numb-skull(that's not directed at you >Egg). Nowadays, sure there's good music on both sides, and thats not >indispute, rather what is in dispute perhaps is the degree of true >creativity based on hard, long hard work. >Computer artists have many more sounds to choose from and thats a definate >advantage. But to make it sound like DM was saying that about ALL people >who use software is twisted.
Agreed. There are many more options available to the average "laptop musician," let alone "desktop musician." With more possible variations, there's more chance of making something crappy, but that's the "risk." Of course, I won't go into all the bad 80's music that was made with electronic instruments (or maybe, "unstruments") and no computers. yeesh. Radio stations with 80's flashback weekends creep me out. So there's always been shitty music. It's just that with the proliferation of computers, and the illegal software that goes along with it, we're just *much* more aware of it now. ah well. cheers, derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming to a cineplex near you --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-31 03:08EggyToastAt 10:52 PM 8/30/2001 -0400, you wrote: >Umm, actually, I quoted the quote exactly as it w
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At 10:52 PM 8/30/2001 -0400, you wrote:
quoted 5 lines Umm, actually, I quoted the quote exactly as it was said in its entirety,>Umm, actually, I quoted the quote exactly as it was said in its entirety, >as well as gave a link to the completed interview. I don't see how I added >any sense of context to it. > >-Bill
I don't believe he meant you did anything, rather just clarifying that Mr. May did not say "all computer music is shite." And it's a 10 yr old quote from an interview. Do you have the same opinions from 1990? :D cheers, derek ------- eggytoast.com ------- coming to a cineplex near you --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-08-31 04:46Bill WrightI think I am the "some guy" in: "Some guy reads a quote from the 90's, which hey, I am coo
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I think I am the "some guy" in: "Some guy reads a quote from the 90's, which hey, I am cool with that...brings it to the forum and makes it seem like Mr. May made that quote about ALL....." I don't think I "made it seem" like anything, I simply thought it was an interesting quote and thought some other people might like to read it, that's the only reason I posted it.... =) I made sure to say it was from 1990, which is the only context I did give it in the original post. But, I have to say, I think it was pretty spot on, if a little short sighted---there does seem to be a lot more chafe now that technology is so immediate--but also, I think the wheat is much, much more tasty than it was in 1990. Not many electronic songs past or present come close to the soul the May's work has, though.....and I guess that reason is why we all have to take pause to consider his statement..... At 10:08 PM 8/30/2001 -0500, you wrote:
quoted 23 lines At 10:52 PM 8/30/2001 -0400, you wrote:>At 10:52 PM 8/30/2001 -0400, you wrote: >>Umm, actually, I quoted the quote exactly as it was said in its entirety, >>as well as gave a link to the completed interview. I don't see how I >>added any sense of context to it. >> >>-Bill > >I don't believe he meant you did anything, rather just clarifying that Mr. >May did not say "all computer music is shite." And it's a 10 yr old quote >from an interview. Do you have the same opinions from 1990? :D > >cheers, >derek > >------- >eggytoast.com >------- >coming to a cineplex near you > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
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I don't know if anyone else has said this, because I didnt read all fo the abundance of posts this topic has brought up.... I don't feel that the accessibility of soft-sequencers and technology to create music has necessarily increased the amount of bad music being made, we just feel like there is more bad music due to the internets ability to expose new artists, for better or worse, onto the world. There have been plenty of people doing bad music for quite a long time but we just didnt hear it because everyone was isolated from one another and you couldnt just send your URL off to a list of thousands of potential listeners. Addionally, the fact that people have created absolutely amazing music with soft-sequencers shows that the fault is hardly in the tool, but the creator. This alone proves the quote wrong, in my opinion. -Nik ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wright" <bill@subtr.ac> To: "EggyToast" <youn0394@umn.edu>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May, I'll bite!
quoted 16 lines I think I am the "some guy" in:> I think I am the "some guy" in: > > "Some guy reads a quote from the 90's, which hey, I am cool with > that...brings it to the forum and makes it seem like Mr. May made that > quote about ALL....." > > I don't think I "made it seem" like anything, I simply thought it was an > interesting quote and thought some other people might like to read it, > that's the only reason I posted it.... =) I made sure to say it was from > 1990, which is the only context I did give it in the original post. > > > > But, I have to say, I think it was pretty spot on, if a little short > sighted---there does seem to be a lot more chafe now that technology is so > immediate--but also, I think the wheat is much, much more tasty than it
was
quoted 11 lines in 1990. Not many electronic songs past or present come close to the soul> in 1990. Not many electronic songs past or present come close to the soul > the May's work has, though.....and I guess that reason is why we all have > to take pause to consider his statement..... > > > > > > At 10:08 PM 8/30/2001 -0500, you wrote: > >At 10:52 PM 8/30/2001 -0400, you wrote: > >>Umm, actually, I quoted the quote exactly as it was said in its
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quoted 6 lines as well as gave a link to the completed interview. I don't see how I> >>as well as gave a link to the completed interview. I don't see how I > >>added any sense of context to it. > >> > >>-Bill > > > >I don't believe he meant you did anything, rather just clarifying that
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quoted 1 line May did not say "all computer music is shite." And it's a 10 yr old> >May did not say "all computer music is shite." And it's a 10 yr old
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quoted 21 lines from an interview. Do you have the same opinions from 1990? :D> >from an interview. Do you have the same opinions from 1990? :D > > > >cheers, > >derek > > > >------- > >eggytoast.com > >------- > >coming to a cineplex near you > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-08-31 13:46componentOr maybe he's just trying to figure out how to get Cubase to work! hehe Rob ::::::Componen
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Or maybe he's just trying to figure out how to get Cubase to work! hehe Rob ::::::Component Records::::::: Box 783, Somers, Ct 06071 www.componentrecords.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent williams <kent@avalon.net> To: Omar Hackett <Oways@msn.com> Cc: Ron Jeremy <galactic_funk@hotmail.com>; <idm@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [idm] Interesting quote/Derrick May, I'll bite!
quoted 20 lines Jayzus Mary and Joseph, it amazes me that anyone takes May's comments> Jayzus Mary and Joseph, it amazes me that anyone takes May's comments > that seriously. A) the conditions NOW are completely different than > 11 years ago. B) May is a bit of a snake oil salesman. > > All the Detroit heads are now, to a greater or lesser extent, using > computers. End of story. Live playing still figures into their > production technique as well. > > And May's output SINCE 1990 has been vanishingly small. I wish him well > and want to hear new May tracks as much as the next guy, but I'm not > holding my breath. It's like waiting for a My Bloody Valentine album ... > > Maybe he's still working on a track since 1990 and just can't seem to > play the bassline right. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org >
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