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Re: [idm] Mozart in league with RIAA

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2001-02-13 15:18Jesse McCoppin RE: [idm] re: napster
2001-02-13 16:30Rjyan Kidwell [idm] get your napstarr out of my coffers
└─ 2001-02-13 17:11mantra RE: [idm] get your napstarr out of my coffers
2001-02-13 17:48unlyrn Re: [idm] Mozart in league with RIAA
2001-02-13 23:01Brock Phillips Re: [idm] Mozart in league with RIAA
2001-02-14 09:39Re: [idm] Mozart in league with RIAA
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2001-02-13 15:18Jesse McCoppinHere here! I would have never even gotten into electronica AT ALL if it werent for MP3. Th
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Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:18:22 -0700
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Here here! I would have never even gotten into electronica AT ALL if it werent for MP3. The first MP3 I downloaded was and Aphex Twin track, and after that I went and bought every release available. I do download tracks that are out of print, which I think is just as fair as some asshole at a record label saying, "Hey, wouldn't it be funny if we only made 500 copies of this album? That way no one will be able to listen to it!". To that I say, more power to you. Ya could have made more money if you'd made 50,000 instead of 500. Instead, they give me no choice but to get it for free, when I probably would have been happy to purchase it. To bring up a recent topic, we were talking about how lots of people here only like one or 2 aphex twin songs. If this is the case, who would be dumb enough to spend $13-20 on a CD when it only has 6 tracks to begin with, and only one or two MIGHT be good? No wonder people use napster, they just want the good song, not the other crappy 5. In all realism, it is up to the label, RIAA, artist, etc to make the first gesture of peace. Maybe at first you will lose some money if you sell music at a reasonable price, because people will still be getting MP3's instead of buying, but soon that trend will die, and people will buy the real copy again. It's also up to the artist to make the CD WORTH it. Put 10-15 tracks on, make them all worth listening to, and quit thinking your time is sooooo valuable that you have to make millions instead of hundreds of thousands. Any person who has a head on their shoulders should be able to live just as well with half a million dollars a year as they could with 10 mil a year. How greedy do you have to be? What happened to making music for the sake of making music? It's all about the $$ now. Did Mozart charge $40 for people to hear his music? I think not. I believe that an artist should be fairly compensated for his work, but not overcompensated to the point that one minute he's living in a 400 sq. ft. apartment and the next he's giving spare change to Bill Gates. MP3 can help the industry if the industry would allow it to.
quoted 49 lines ----------> ---------- > From: TekDz9ER@aol.com > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2001 7:10 PM > To: idm@hyperreal.org > Subject: [idm] re: napster > > Them sounds like fightin' words ta me. But I won't start a fight. I just > > want to say that without Napster, I would never have been able to > experience > some of the great music in our scene. There are so many artists nowadays, > > some good some bad, lots of conflicting opinions on this list. I'm > grateful > that I've been able to find out for myself without having shelled out > hundreds of dollars on crap. Although I sympathize with artists and > labels > who truly believe that they've lost substantial amounts of profit due to > Napster, my truth is that if I discover something that I believe to be a > winner, I'll go out and buy the real thing. So no money lost there. And > it's a great way to stock up on classic and deleted records that one would > > never be able to purchase at any retail music store again. Life sucks > now. > And to all up and coming idm/electronic artists: I'm awfully sorry, but I > > just can't afford to buy all of your music. > > TekDz9er > > <Thank God Napster took another kicking...fuck off and die you > thieves...if > > tossers like napster wasn't bootlegging artists work, maybe more people > > could concentrate on content rather than spending most of their time doing > > crap work to pay the rent, while the corporates just get richer from their > > sweat. > > > Apollon> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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2001-02-13 16:30Rjyan Kidwell> Put 10-15 tracks on, make them all worth > listening to, and quit thinking your time is
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Tue, 13 Feb 2001 11:30:54 -0500
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[idm] get your napstarr out of my coffers
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quoted 9 lines Put 10-15 tracks on, make them all worth> Put 10-15 tracks on, make them all worth > listening to, and quit thinking your time is sooooo valuable that you have > to make millions instead of hundreds of thousands. Any person who has a > head on their shoulders should be able to live just as well with half a > million dollars a year as they could with 10 mil a year. > I believe that an artist should be fairly compensated > for his work, but not overcompensated to the point that one minute he's > living in a 400 sq. ft. apartment and the next he's giving spare change to > Bill Gates.
Maybe when you're dropping albums as hot as me and my rich IDM friends are, you'll tell Harvey Weinstein, "No Harvey, no, I don't want your million dollar advance. I only want half a million." Then you'll get laughed out of the club and have to join Bill Gates on the curb begging for pocket change from me when I come through in a fur coat and 4 Rolex watches on each arm. Jesse, let me tell you a secret: people who make "music for the sake of music" make BAD music. Go over to mp3.com and click around for a bit, you'll see what I mean. Regular people just can't make good music. They don't have the hunger, the ambition to go higher and higher, necessary to. And they certainly don't understand what it's like to be a star with gold on and different styles of pants and shoes to buy for the MTV music awards. -rk --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-13 17:11mantraI cant believe you've said that... You're actually saying that without striving for some m
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Tue, 13 Feb 2001 10:11:53 -0700
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I cant believe you've said that... You're actually saying that without striving for some monetary reward from music, music can not be pushed enough to be good. I guess with posts talking about Mozart's cool $400,000 cheques and with the extremely intense pressure we are under thanks to western (economy) society, that remark can actually be supported... that's what makes this so sad. however, i usually find that the people who are striving the most to make the dollar of their 'art' usually have the most noticeable shit in the way of production - and certainly lose 200% of any respect i might have had for them as an artist. But i guess that doesn't matter much when you get to sit next to puffy at the mtv awards. for the love.. of... this took me an hour to write. ________________________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ n a t e . s c h m o l d n e f e r i u . r e c o r d s w w w . n e f e r i u . c o m 4 0 3 . 2 6 5 . 2 6 2 3 -----Original Message----- From: Rjyan Kidwell [mailto:cex@tigerbeat6.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 9:31 AM To: Jesse McCoppin Cc: 'IDM list' Subject: [idm] get your napstarr out of my coffers Jesse, let me tell you a secret: people who make "music for the sake of music" make BAD music. Go over to mp3.com and click around for a bit, you'll see what I mean. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-13 17:48unlyrn> I cant believe you've said that... You're actually saying that without > striving for so
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Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:48:17 +1300
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quoted 2 lines I cant believe you've said that... You're actually saying that without> I cant believe you've said that... You're actually saying that without > striving for some monetary reward from music, music can not be pushed
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quoted 2 lines and with the extremely intense pressure we are under thanks to western> and with the extremely intense pressure we are under thanks to western > (economy) society, that remark can actually be supported...
Regarding the Mozart thing... I think you'll find virtually none of the 'popular' musicians of his time made any money whatsoever, just as they do not today... there was a distinct upper class with enormous disposable income paying him (and others) directly for specific pieces... can anyone think of any modern equivalents to this situation? How much do composers get for film score work for example? To condense this slightly vague rant : instead of looking at ways to change the payment scheme, are there other ways beyond the 'releasing albums to the consumer' model for musicians to make money? Most IDM certainly falls into the 'popular music' category, but given for example the Aphex collaboration with Philip Glass (and more recently his (rdj's) score for the chris cunningham art-exhibition short film), is there also a place for it within "art" circles? Any other examples of this sort of crossover? Also, on a "Don't grab for the cash too quickly..." note, despite being a 'commercial composer' Mozart died completely broke and was buried in a paupers grave. karma in action --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-13 23:01Brock Phillips------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:48:17 +1300 To: <idm@hyperreal.or
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------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 06:48:17 +1300 To: <idm@hyperreal.org> From: "unlyrn" <xen@i4free.co.nz> Subject: Re: [idm] Mozart in league with RIAA Message-ID: <001401c095e5$26561900$a758b4ca@oemcomputer>
quoted 1 line I cant believe you've said that... You're actually> I cant believe you've said that... You're actually
saying that without striving for some monetary reward from music, music can not be pushed enough to be good. I guess with posts talking about Mozart's cool $400,000 cheques and with the extremely intense pressure we are under thanks to western (economy) society, that remark can actually be supported... Regarding the Mozart thing... I think you'll find virtually none of the 'popular' musicians of his time made any money whatsoever, just as they do not today... there was a distinct upper class with enormous disposable income paying him (and others) directly for specific pieces... can anyone think of any modern equivalents to this situation? How much do composers get for film score work for example? To condense this slightly vague rant : instead of looking at ways to change the payment scheme, are there other ways beyond the 'releasing albums to the consumer' model for musicians to make money?
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re: the above - sure - it's called licensing. maybe it's just b/c i live in l.a. and work in the industry, but it seems like there's a ridiculous amount of cash out there in tv/movies/commercial licensing of tracks if you can tap into it. consider the ford focus commercial that's out now with juan atkins' "no ufos" track backing it. he made that song almost (if not more than?) ten years ago, and they picked it up for a thirty second spot for a rumored six figures. pretty insane, how many 12"s would juan have to sell to recoup that kind of cash? and that's only the tip of the iceberg - turn on the tv now and you'll hear ads being backed by tosca, amon tobin, groove armada, moby, boc and more. granted you're gonna make more if you've got a name like basement jaxx or moby than some suffering bedroom producer, but it's still way more than you could ever make on album sales. a lot of people bitch and moan about the ethics of it and accuse the artist of selling out, but where else can you score six figures in thirty seconds that allows you to make completely uncompromising non-commercial (no pun intended) music for the next three or four years? that's about the closest equivalent i can think of in today's world, at least... ===== Brock Phillips Motormouthmedia 2525 Hyperion Ave. #1 Los Angeles, CA 90027 fon 323.662.3865 fax 323.662.3844 email bmotor@pacbell.net __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org
2001-02-14 09:39AeOtaku@aol.comMaybe the RIAA will commission a Requiem for Napster. As for patronage, yes, it was a good
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Maybe the RIAA will commission a Requiem for Napster. As for patronage, yes, it was a good system. At least Renaissance despots left masterpieces behind. Today's corporations don't. Elsewhere, I bought the new BoC, the first non-funk/reggae/KDJ record for me since Reaganomics. First two tracks are worthy of Franz Mesmer. Best they've done yet, by leaps. Try mixing up "Kid For Today" with Clarence's monologue from Richard II for a unique effect. Matt --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org