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quoted 1 line ===== Original Message From Drusca <andrei@world.std.com> =====

>===== Original Message From Drusca <andrei@world.std.com> =====

quoted 1 line Personally, I think the production on mainstream stuff by people like Swizz

>Personally, I think the production on mainstream stuff by people like Swizz

Beats or

quoted 1 line Timbaland or Cash Money, etc. is more inventive and interesting than any of

>Timbaland or Cash Money, etc. is more inventive and interesting than any of

the

quoted 2 lines Rawkus stuff I've heard. I guess all this recent underground stuff is better

>Rawkus stuff I've heard. I guess all this recent underground stuff is better >lyrically than the mainstream stuff (even that is subjective), but the

production is

quoted 1 line really prosaic.

>really prosaic.

Hasn't Timbaland produced a tune on Rawkus recently? :-) Still, I'd agree for the most part. As a general rule, it seems to me that the influence of that kind of production sneaks through into IDM more than say the production of your average Rawkus release. Does anyone else hear it a lot in more recent Luke Vibert, eg. Wagon Christ's 'Tally Ho'? I do have to say that a lot of posts suggesting things to listen to seem to have equated "good" with "inventive". I love the J5, but don't think they're inventive at all. Well, they invent good music, but they don't invent new sounds or approaches, IMO. Maybe people need to accept that this doesn't detract from the music in any way? You know, we can all pretend it's OK to like something that isn't claiming to advance the master race, etc? ;-) Michael -+- Involve Records http://involve.co.nz Jet Jaguar MP3s http://mp3.com/jetjag/ -+- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 1 line You know, we can all pretend it's OK to

>You know, we can all pretend it's OK to

like something that isn't claiming to advance the master race, Hee heeeee. Time and time again, I must say there is no distinction or separation between Hip-Hop, House, Techno, Rap.....the only distinction has come from the Mainstream cats who have taking all these art forms and have placed them into a separate group! For those that went to the DEMF.... this was the first lesson many of you should have learned.............. O-Time! -----Original Message----- From: Michael Upton [mailto:jetjag@MailAndNews.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 5:17 PM To: Drusca; idm Subject: [idm] Rap influencing IDM..

quoted 1 line ===== Original Message From Drusca <andrei@world.std.com> =====

>===== Original Message From Drusca <andrei@world.std.com> =====

quoted 1 line Personally, I think the production on mainstream stuff by people like Swizz

>Personally, I think the production on mainstream stuff by people like Swizz

Beats or

quoted 1 line Timbaland or Cash Money, etc. is more inventive and interesting than any of

>Timbaland or Cash Money, etc. is more inventive and interesting than any of

the

quoted 1 line Rawkus stuff I've heard. I guess all this recent underground stuff is

>Rawkus stuff I've heard. I guess all this recent underground stuff is

better

quoted 1 line lyrically than the mainstream stuff (even that is subjective), but the

>lyrically than the mainstream stuff (even that is subjective), but the

production is

quoted 1 line really prosaic.

>really prosaic.

Hasn't Timbaland produced a tune on Rawkus recently? :-) Still, I'd agree for the most part. As a general rule, it seems to me that the influence of that kind of production sneaks through into IDM more than say the production of your average Rawkus release. Does anyone else hear it a lot in more recent Luke Vibert, eg. Wagon Christ's 'Tally Ho'? I do have to say that a lot of posts suggesting things to listen to seem to have equated "good" with "inventive". I love the J5, but don't think they're inventive at all. Well, they invent good music, but they don't invent new sounds or approaches, IMO. Maybe people need to accept that this doesn't detract from the music in any way? You know, we can all pretend it's OK to like something that isn't claiming to advance the master race, etc? ;-) Michael -+- Involve Records http://involve.co.nz Jet Jaguar MP3s http://mp3.com/jetjag/ -+- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org

quoted 5 lines Yeah, man. Hip-hop, techno, rap, house, country, bluegrass, jazz,

>Yeah, man. Hip-hop, techno, rap, house, country, bluegrass, jazz, >alternarock, indie pop, bebop, classical, swing; man.. it's just all the >same. Can't we just get past these silly little labels that the mainstream >media keeps trying to put upon everything? Why we got to distinguish, >man.. it's all just the same..

Ive consulted my think tank of imaginary friends, and a theory thats been going around that I just made up seems to point to USA Today, MSNBC,Jay Leno and all episodes of "The View" where Barbara Walters is not present (coincidence? hardly!) are the major culprits for dividing music into these preposterous categories. On a happy note the staffs at Mother Jones and Cat Fancy magazines have been working round the clock to reverse this trend and bring music back a single lump of nameless bliss just like in the days of the Musical Tower of Babylon. ernie Ernesto Ikerd, (817) 763-4795 Company Graphics, Dept 17, MZ-4202 Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Company Fort Worth, Texas --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org