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1994-12-30 14:25Jon Drukman IDM Times (yes, really)
└─ 1994-12-31 00:54rbcIII Re: IDM Times (yes, really)
1994-12-31 15:46Jon Drukman Re: IDM Times (yes, really)
├─ 1995-01-01 00:16Alan M. Parry Re: IDM Times (yes, really)
├─ 1995-01-01 17:13George M. Smiley Re: IDM Times (yes, really)
└─ 1995-01-03 19:35Robert Smith Re: IDM Times (yes, really)
├─ 1995-01-03 10:56Jon Drukman Re: IDM Times (yes, really)
└─ 1995-01-03 19:02Howard Berkey Re: IDM Times (yes, really)
1995-01-01 12:53Jon Drukman Re: IDM Times (yes, really)
1995-01-05 00:08Jasper de Jong IDM Times (yes, really)
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1994-12-30 14:25Jon DrukmanIDM TIMES (oh my god it's really back!) SPECIAL HOLIDAY/YEAR END ISSUE 1994 PRAISE JAH WE
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IDM TIMES (oh my god it's really back!) SPECIAL HOLIDAY/YEAR END ISSUE 1994 PRAISE JAH WE MADE IT THROUGH ANOTHER ONE Future Sound Of London: ISDN What bliss, not one but TWO full length albums from FSOL in one year. We puny humans certainly do not deserve such bliss. Anyway, I think even those of you who didn't care for LIFEFORMS will dig this one. It differs from its predecessor in that it has a darker, rawer, more experimental bent. Lots of freaky rhythms and tripped out dub/jazz effects. "The Far Out Son Of Lung And The Ramblings Of A Madman" lurches out of an Aliens sample with a 6/4 beat, industrial bass and demented trumpet warblings. "A Study Of Six Guitars" takes a gentle "Mountain Goat"-ish line and complements it with all manner of otherworldly creaks, groans and plucks. Even the more relaxing tracks maintain an uneasy calm rather than soaking you with easily digested string pads. Interesting packaging (at least on the UK CD) completes the picture. Plastikman: Musik Ah, what are we going to do with Richie Hawtin? I find him positively maddening. At his best he can create the sort of bullheaded stomp that tears up a dance floor, at his worst (and he frequently is), he churns out utterly forgettable tracks that are a short on ideas, instrumentation and just about everything else. 5 minutes of a minimal drum beat is not a song, it's an insult to the listener. And I am not in the habit of plunking down $12 to be insulted. Fortunately, "Musik" has two things going for it: one, i didn't pay for it, and two, it actually has some good tracks. However, I don't recommend you buy it just to hear the few islands of interesting set adrift in the sea of unbearably boring. Save your hard-won holiday dosh for something more cheery. Loop Guru: The Third Chamber It's ambient dub. Does that mean it qualifies for the ambient list? I don't know, it certainly has enough beats to keep a heavily stoned individual dancing (or at least nodding his/her head in time). Fuck it, I love this album and I want people to know about it, so I'll bung it in an IDM Times and it will wind up on an FTP/Gopher/Web site preserved for all posterity. Enough preface - how's the sound? Glad you asked, pardner. This is the kind of immersive experience that is to die for. Achingly beautiful slow dub bass throbbing like the pulse of your blood. Drum tracks explode in slow motion. A snatch of ethnic instrumentation is played, seized and looped into infinity. You put this on and one hour later it ends and you want to start it up again immediately. The last track, by the way, is the sort of mind blowingly calm yet edgy track that Eno was producing in his salad days. They make it seem so simple, the bastards! Depth Charge: Nine Deadly Venoms Well, if you get the limited edition with the free bonus CD, it's actually twelve deadly venoms, but nine has more of a ring to it... This is funny - a prime example of the scene catching up with the real geniuses. Many of these tracks are almost five years old now, but what with the current popularity of "Trip Hop" (cf. Dust Brothers, MoWax, etc), it must have seemed like the time was right to reacquaint the short attention span dance scene with J Saul Kane's patented brand of cheesy-movie-inflected gritty-sounding dub hip hop. Old favorites such as Depth Charge (cheesy kung fu movie samples), Bounty Killers (clint eastwood spaghetti western flavored) and Goal (world cup football) meet some brilliant new ones. My favorites have to be "Shaolin Buddha Finger" (he makes it sound like some kind of bizarre kung fu candy bar) and "Number Nine" (with total "Streets Of San Francisco" platform shoes and bell bottoms swank/strut). Love the artwork, too. Very appropriate and gives it a "package" feel that lots of dance albums are missing out on. A real sense of FUN about this sweet baby. Makes me smile just thinking about it. Get it and groove! Trance Europe Express 3 The dance arm of Volume magazine strikes again and man, they just keep delivering the goods! If you've been living in a cave, you probably don't know about their double CD sets packed with music (each disc 72 mins or longer), a beautiful 4-color booklet, all for the unbeatable low price of $20 (or less). The non-cave-dwellers among us have been enjoying a great selection of music and info at a bargain price. This one may even top the second, and yes I know I said the second might even have topped the first when I reviewed it way back when, but this one sounds even that much more diverse. There's slow swanky strutters (Air Liquide), stomping crystal-pure techno (Joey Beltram), party house (The Grid), weirdo German neuz (Mouse On Mars) and even a quick glance at trip hop (Emergency Broadcast Network). Biggest disappointment has to be Coco Steel & Lovebomb, which has the most godawful repeated samples. And the Rephlex Trilogy (Kinesthesia, u-Ziq and Aphex Twin in disguise as Caustic Window) leaves me totally cold, but that should be no surprise to IDM list stalwarts. (When is everyone going to wake up and realized they've been had? Ah fuck it...) Anyway, I like this. You'll like it. Really. And so we come to the close of 1994. Peeking into my crystal ball I see that 1995 will basically be exactly the same. Plus ca change, and all that, y'know. Stick around and enjoy the ride. /jon
1994-12-31 00:54rbcIIIOn Fri, 30 Dec 1994, Jon Drukman wrote: > Plastikman: Musik > > Ah, what are we going to d
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quoted 9 lines Plastikman: Musik> Plastikman: Musik > > Ah, what are we going to do with Richie Hawtin? I find him positively > maddening. At his best he can create the sort of bullheaded stomp > that tears up a dance floor, at his worst (and he frequently is), he > churns out utterly forgettable tracks that are a short on ideas, > instrumentation and just about everything else. 5 minutes of a > minimal drum beat is not a song, it's an insult to the listener. And > I am not in the habit of plunking down $12 to be insulted.
I have to raise a voice for the minimal lovers out there. I completely disagree with Mr. Drukman here. I never heard a Richie Hawtin track I didn't go nuts for. He is a master in his own time. I don't buy the arguement that a minimal trak (i.e. a drum machine and barely more than two synth noises going at a time...) makes for shit music. How do you explain the entrancement of listeners by drum circles or any tribal drumming for that matter. Just because Richie doesn't care to overwhelm the listener with a bombardment of electronic noises and raise-your-hands arrangement doesn't discredit his intentions. Few people can pull off minimal programming. Hawtin and Richard Kirk being the two masters that come to mind when I dream of minimal tracks. Musik is one of the best records I've heard this year and I'd buy a handful for friends as gifts if I had heard it before shopping... Hawtins use if a 303 with various analog drum patterns tickles the mind while entrancing the spirit. Any Detroit techno fan will tell you how masterfully wicked a Plastikman live show is. More power to Richie for defying the notion of commercial arrangement!!! -robert ______________________________________________*AudioElectronic*_____ "If BOTH the SAW and the PULSE switches are on, sonic explorers \ then both sawtooth and pulse waves are selected. \ This combination creates an extremely fat sound." OB-8 manual ____\
1994-12-31 15:46Jon Drukman>I have to raise a voice for the minimal lovers out there. I completely >disagree with Mr.
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quoted 5 lines I have to raise a voice for the minimal lovers out there. I completely>I have to raise a voice for the minimal lovers out there. I completely >disagree with Mr. Drukman here. I never heard a Richie Hawtin track I >didn't go nuts for. He is a master in his own time. I don't buy the >arguement that a minimal trak (i.e. a drum machine and barely more than >two synth noises going at a time...) makes for shit music.
i never said all minimal was bad, just mr hawtin's minimal...
quoted 1 line Few people can pull off minimal programming.>Few people can pull off minimal programming.
yes!
quoted 2 lines Hawtin and Richard Kirk being the two masters that>Hawtin and Richard Kirk being the two masters that >come to mind when I dream of minimal tracks.
er, well, one out of two, anyway...
quoted 2 lines More power to Richie for defying the notion of commercial>More power to Richie for defying the notion of commercial >arrangement!!!
i have nothing against minimalism. there's some amazing stuff coming out of the whole detroit scene, like underground resistance and drexciya, that is quite minimal yet utterly entrancing. richie's stuff seems like it was done in 5 minutes. that's bad minimal. good minimal is so complicated that it seems simple, if you know what i mean. happy new year to all my fellow idm freaks... /jon -- Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://cyborganic.com/~jsd
1995-01-01 00:16Alan M. ParryOn Sat, 31 Dec 1994, Jon Drukman wrote: > i have nothing against minimalism. there's some
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On Sat, 31 Dec 1994, Jon Drukman wrote:
quoted 3 lines i have nothing against minimalism. there's some amazing stuff coming out> i have nothing against minimalism. there's some amazing stuff coming out > of the whole detroit scene, like underground resistance and drexciya, that > is quite minimal yet utterly entrancing.
Agreed, I've been quite amazed with what I've heard from Drexciya. Just week I pulled Drexciya 2 from the sale bin, and new releases are on the way. They even had a release on Rephlex, how'd you feel about that Jon? :) Wishing everyone a great '95.. :: Alan M. Parry :: fluid@hyperreal.com :: <finger me for PGP key> :: http://hyperreal.com/~fluid
1995-01-01 17:13George M. Smiley>i have nothing against minimalism. there's some amazing stuff coming out >of the whole de
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quoted 5 lines i have nothing against minimalism. there's some amazing stuff coming out>i have nothing against minimalism. there's some amazing stuff coming out >of the whole detroit scene, like underground resistance and drexciya, that >is quite minimal yet utterly entrancing. richie's stuff seems like it was >done in 5 minutes. that's bad minimal. good minimal is so complicated >that it seems simple, if you know what i mean.
IMHO, good minimal programming has to have some interaction between what few elements there are and that interaction has to subtly change over time. Pick up most any Dan Bell track for an example, there isn't much there, but the relationship between what is undergoes several changes during the course of the track. The tracks have a flow to them that goes beyond what they are made of. In this respect _Musik_ fails, however I think Richie was trying to achieve an atmosphere above all else. I dug the mood created, others didn't. No big deal. - George
1995-01-03 19:35Robert SmithBEGIN QUOTE FROM Jon Drukman: : : i never said all minimal was bad, just mr hawtin's minim
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BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jon Drukman: : : i never said all minimal was bad, just mr hawtin's minimal... : Sounds more like you just have some problem with Richie, not his music. How can you categorically eliminate everything by one performer? Jealousy or something? -- _____________________________________________________________________________ fixer@d2.com is Robert Smith Digital Domain phone: 310/314-2920 300 Rose Avenue fax: 310/314-2866 Venice, CA 90291 _____________________________________________________________________________ "Bad taste is simply saying the truth before it should be said." --Mel Brooks
1995-01-03 10:56Jon DrukmanRobert Smith writes: > BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jon Drukman: > : i never said all minimal was bad,
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quoted 7 lines BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jon Drukman:> BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jon Drukman: > : i never said all minimal was bad, just mr hawtin's minimal... > > Sounds more like you just have some problem with Richie, not his music. > How can you categorically eliminate everything by one performer? > > Jealousy or something?
Yeah, that must be it. Jeez, don't you guys read anymore? I said FUSE had some magic moments, MUSIK had some magic moments, but overall Richie is a bubble waiting to be burst. I'm gratified to find that there are others out there (Mr Smith excepted) who think the same way I do. (Thanks Kent, I definitely feel Grumpy(tm) now!) -- Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://cyborganic.com/~jsd
1995-01-03 19:02Howard Berkey> > BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jon Drukman: > : > : i never said all minimal was bad, just mr hawtin
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quoted 8 lines BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jon Drukman:> > BEGIN QUOTE FROM Jon Drukman: > : > : i never said all minimal was bad, just mr hawtin's minimal... > : > > Sounds more like you just have some problem with Richie, not his music. > How can you categorically eliminate everything by one performer?
Maybe he listened to most of it and didn't like it? That's easier for me to believe than Jon harboring some deep smoldering personal dislike for Mr. Hawtin.
quoted 3 lines Jealousy or something?> > Jealousy or something? >
More likely he just plain didn't like it. It was bad in his opinion. Jon has never been shy about voicing his opinions on this list. :-)
1995-01-01 12:53Jon Drukman> Agreed, I've been quite amazed with what I've heard from Drexciya. Just >week I pulled D
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quoted 3 lines Agreed, I've been quite amazed with what I've heard from Drexciya. Just> Agreed, I've been quite amazed with what I've heard from Drexciya. Just >week I pulled Drexciya 2 from the sale bin, and new releases are on the >way. They even had a release on Rephlex, how'd you feel about that Jon? :)
er, well, it was a rare moment of exceedingly good taste for them... :) oh yeah, and on the subject of good minimal music, check out the Depth Charge compilation on SubmergE ("We Will Never Surface!"). This is not the same as the funky Depth Charge double CD I was plugging a few days ago, this is a compilation of masterful minimal totally electronic techno from the UR stables... -- Name: Jon Email: jsd@cyborganic.com Web: http://cyborganic.com/~jsd
1995-01-05 00:08Jasper de Jong> Plastikman: Musik r > minimal programming. Hawtin and Richard Kirk being the two masters
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> Plastikman: Musik r > minimal programming. Hawtin and Richard Kirk being the two masters that r > come to mind when I dream of minimal tracks. Well, I would add some more. Do you know the finnish Sakho stuff? It's absolutely even more minimal and absolutely fabulous too... Check it out! r > -robert r > ______________________________________________*AudioElectronic*_____ r > "If BOTH the SAW and the PULSE switches are on, sonic explorers \ r > then both sawtooth and pulse waves are selected. \ r > This combination creates an extremely fat sound." OB-8 manual ____\ Boy, is that Obie yours? Lucky bastard...;-) CU!