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From:
CiM
To:
uk-dance , IDM
Date:
Thu, 9 Jun 1994 12:13:59 +0100 (BST)
Subject:
Artifiial Intelligence (all over again)
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I've (finally) got AI2 and have just worked my way through the UK-Dance discussions on the AI series that the Designers Republic decided to include in the layout (which did my head in after a while), as well as the "Where In Your World?" text on the back. A few thoughts... 1. Ages ago now I (unintentionally) kicked off the AI good/shite debate by stating that I thought AI was pretty damn good. Jon Drukman didn't; mainly due to the B12/Black Dog Detroit techno sound similarities. Fair enough; I thought it was good and relatively new but then I missed out on the May/Atkins/Transmat "true" techno era so it was all pretty new to me at the time. David Toop (the guy who wrote the back cover AI2 text; maybe he is the Warp/ Designer's Republic net spy?) seems to dismiss all this by stating that such "partisan analyses" (yeah; cheers mate) is irrelevant. I don't think it is, simply because Black Dog, B12, Hawtin, etc. have all stated their appreciation for the old Detroit sound. For them, its a starting point for their music and not due to the "society and language" of humans as David Toop indicates. It _could_ be a bit of both; however its definitely wrong to dismiss all recent electronic innovators (May, Eno, Cage, Reich, Tangerine Dream, etc.) as David does. 2. Reading the extracts on the LP design, Steve Hebditch pointed out that Warp can shift their products fairly well due to the packaging and promotion of the material. This seems, in part, linked to the whole "selling" of the AI situation with some people immediately accepting this "new" form of music and others dismissing it as pretentious wank with clever marketing. Whatever; Warp seem determined to carry on with this theme and ignore any claims that say otherwise. Evidence of this is shown below the AI logo in the advert in the NME (for AI2); "Meaningless marketing slogan : NOT APPLICABLE" It is also shown in the definition of artificial intelligence included on the back of AI2; "One test for AI requires that performance improves with experience and operation." Ultimately, I suppose it doesn't really matter whether it is a totally new form of listening experience or not; if the music is good then we'll keep on buying. Anyways, lets see what the AI2 series of albums are going to be like first; with or without the hype. The AI 'Motion' video looks rather tasty too... Sorry if this bored you senseless; its just probably me getting paranoid in my old age :-) There must have been a reason for the Des.Republic to include the UK-Dance discussions; I just wanted to know why. Are they trying to show public reaction to AI? Are they saying "look at this bunch of wankers talking about Detroit techno when really AI is part of human society...blah, blah...Indian cultures had it...etc..."? Are they just jumping on the net-hype bandwagon? Or maybe they thought it just looked nice... <Sigh> I just don't know... [CiM] -- __ Simon Walley | 1E 76 9A 0D 78 3A 3B 1C | /\ \ <u9323899@sys.uea.ac.uk> | A1 60 73 AE 8B 0E E0 B6 | /--\_\