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From:
theREALmxyzptlk
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John/Slackonomics
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Date:
Mon, 28 Feb 2005 09:30:44 -0500
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Re: [idm] Re: @WL Re: [idm] Derrick May invented IDM?
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John/Slackonomics wrote:
quoted 22 lines On Feb 28, 2005, at 7:43 AM, theREALmxyzptlk wrote:> On Feb 28, 2005, at 7:43 AM, theREALmxyzptlk wrote: > >>> In fact, I think Perry/Kingsley are more important to electronic >>> music than even maybe the legendary Kraftwerk. >>> >> Nice for an obscure reference points in a thread, but c'mon - do you >> really THINK so? > > > Indeed, because not only did they precede Kraftwerk by a decade or so, > but their music was extremely more elaborate to create. Some several > miles of tape were painstakingly handspliced in order to get the > "sampled" sound that we identify with so readily now (and can so > easily recreate in seconds with modern samplers/computers). > > I give Kraftwerk major props, no doubt, but I feel that at very least > Perry/Kingsley are as important. Especially, in their own unique way, > to experimental electronic and idm. You could say that > Perry/Kinglsey's music was, in some perverse fantasy-land form, > proto-idm. Much the same that I consider Ryuichi Sakamoto's B2 Unit a > proto-idm album, a good decade+ before IDM came around. >
Again - you miss the thread by a mile : influence - not complexity. I wouldn't disagree with you about anything you say, except when you subsitute "importance" for "influence". Not quite the same thing. I could argue that I knew of just about anyone doing whatever before it became popular, but whe the topic is influence, one has to take an aspect of scope into the picture. Perry/Kingsley just didn't have the exposure THEN *or* now in comparison with Kraftwerk. Not even with Sakamoto/YMO, who didn't have the exposure Kraftwerk did (and I would argue that "Technodelic" is as IDM as B2 Unit). If you want to take the thread somewhere else, fine. But changing horses in mid-stream as a debate progresses usualy means the one you were on was a loser. jeff --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org