Hmm.. I always thought that the problem most people had with the IDM
label wasn't the Dance part so much as the Intelligent part, and all of
the elitist, cartesian mind/body split poopyness it has come to
connote.
If people have issues with IDM being connected to dance
music...well...um...
Luis
On Feb 13, 2005, at 1:52 PM, Guerdis wrote:
quoted 69 lines It's rather ironic that it's gotten to the point at which "IDM" is now>
> It's rather ironic that it's gotten to the point at which "IDM" is now
> regarded as either establishmentarian or generally cheesy - or at
> least on this list - or at least in the posts I've received since
> returning to the list the other day. I joined up on this list back in
> its early days (1994-ish) and it was near blasphemy to sideswipe RDJ
> et al and one certainly didn't disavow the IDM category lest he or she
> be snotted-upon for the crime.
>
> I come back to hear people talking about AFX being overrated and IDM
> being an annoying term - Who's taken over this list?
>
> Ah yes, the irony part: Formerly, the IDM of AFX was the food of the
> elite techno divine and it is now the gravel upon which the commoners
> projectile vomit? And who says so? The elite! (Or rather, those who
> perceive themselves elite due to the fact that the noise they prefer
> is on an unknown and insignificant label (to date).)
>
> YAWN, people.
>
> Warp Records is the standard by which all the rest shall be judged,
> sayeth the LORD. What else is there, really? Something YOU made? Well,
> are YOU on Warp? Is this matter of lack the matter of fact that stirs
> your bile? Oh, what a silly notion. No one would ever stoop to such a
> low.
>
> Anyway, the term Intelligent Dance Music is perfect, as it always has
> been, for describing what it is we, in general, listen to. Why?
> Because idiots, no matter what gets said or written, will always
> assume that techno = the shit they play in clubs. It will be, in other
> words, DANCE MUSIC regardless of the fact that only someone having a
> seizure could possibly dance to most of it. The term is, or at least
> it is to me, a little inside joke. What we know is that this is music
> to be listened to and appreciated from an intellectual or even
> academic point of view, yet this can not be grasped by the unwashed
> mass because it's techno and techno is made up of beats to which
> people must dance (mainly because techno beats originate from machines
> and not some tattooed dickhead with a drum kit and the rest of the
> band, or some stuff-lipped woman with a violin and the rest of the
> orchestra, or some tobacco-toothed hillbilly and the other country
> hicks, etc).
>
> Terms like Electronica are ones designed by marketeers or other people
> looking for descriptive ways to organize their inventory. The fact
> that one might find Technotronic in the same section as Autechre is
> more than telling that this category is bunk as hell. The term IDM is
> one that, as far as I can recall, was bestowed upon the form mostly by
> the combination of the music's listeners.
>
> A very specific term is good for a very specific musical form. "Rock"
> described both Elvis and Tool. How is that possible? "Rock" is
> generally meaningless, that's how. IDM has a meaning that both
> undercuts and supercedes the industry it comes out of. One can produce
> "techno" all day long, but there's nothing that will qualify it as IDM
> aside from its merits and the general agreement of the listening
> audience.
>
> This, of course, does not solve the whole "Is this IDM or what?"
> dilemma (the dilemma being more oriented around the fool who doesn't
> know that the music itself) but it does allow for the establishment of
> basic criteria for attempting to satisfy that question.
>
> Pardon me, what the hell am I talking about?
>
> MG
>
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