Re: [idm] How 'cutting edge'/difficult does IDM have to be?
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quoted 5 lines Frankly speaking, I find the question a bit confusing. What> Frankly speaking, I find the question a bit confusing. What
> 'phenomenon' are
> you referring to? Or what do you mean by banal?
> Self-indulgent/pretentious
> complexity, or what?
I guess I meant to prompt a discussion on how many people like very
very complex stuff. Of course much of it has its roots in industrial
music (as noise is often employed) and I find it harder and harder to
listen to. I would be interested to know how many people actually sit
through noisy tunes and listen to them all the way through. I have
gotten used to a lot of stuff over the years, and "opening" one's ears
is definitely my concept, but some of Squarepshr's hard, atonal, noise
stuff is just simply impossible - for me. Who is listening to these
sometimes quite unmelodic things and actually enjoys it?
And my question referrs to the beat-wanking complexity that challenges
my intellect but seems, as you say, self-indugent. So I guess the
question is: "What do YOU get out of this kind of stuff because I don't
seem to be able to appreciate it" -----
I know it's all a matter of taste - and I buy the stuff I like - it's
just an aspect worth discussing I think.
quoted 4 lines But really, why do you think there is necessarily a connection between> But really, why do you think there is necessarily a connection between
> being
> complicated or progressive and being difficult to listen to or
> stressful?
Because most of the time there is - I often differentiate progressive
from less progressive by the way how complicated it sounds....so in a
nutshell: Savath seems very traditional, but with underlying modern
electronic element, prefuse73 seems more modern/prog for the
beat-cuttery and never-heard-this-before factor, and Pusher is "far
out", in a very methodical, advanced and complicated way. Therefore I
rate him the most progressive of the three---- MAYBE I'm wrong thinking
this, and could discover other progressive traits in music except their
"futuristic" quality...
The way everyone here "detects" newness and innovation in music would
be another topic worth of discussion - maybe my way is too
one-dimensional.
quoted 3 lines Comparing Calix, Pusher and S & S seems> Comparing Calix, Pusher and S & S seems
> a bit problematic to me in the first place, since they are all doing
> completely different things...
Well their association with Warp made me compare them - you could also
take other artists as examples. They seem to be potentially geared
towards the same target group as they share the same label, and many
people do buy records by label rather than artist in techno....
Roland