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Muffin
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Sun, 09 Feb 2003 14:25:32 +0000
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Re: [idm] Life after SoulSeek
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Groan. Did you actually read past the beginning of my email? I was suggesting building a community using the combined power and strength of the individuals involved AND the record labels, rather than using something which they are inherently against because of stigma. First impressions count and therefore labels are going to think MP3=Piracy. I know this first hand as I've had a painful time persuading several labels that putting MP3 previews up would be better than RealMedia as the audience are more receptive to them. And the amount of labels who will let you stream audio in Flash [which is just MP3 encoded audio, and can easily be ripped out] because they aren't savy is huge. I don't think I was being extreme, I was presenting an argument for developing something new which works for both parties. I think this has been missed on lot of the P2P software for various reasons. I don't believe P2P is killing music, but I believe that it will take a long time before it can be proven that it's benefiting the labels. I was suggesting building something which provided that feedback. If a label or artist can see [amongst other things] A) what people think of a track B) how many people have listened to it C) what the sales they get of the back of it directly Then the system provides them with something back. I think if a tool like this existed that could help labels predict what would or wouldn't sell, or how many to manufacture, whilst giving people the ability to check out new music, we'd all be in a better position. It's sort of what's talked about in this article: http://shirky.com/writings/music_flip.html I guess that implies I didn't explain it clearly. I'll get back to my code and you'll see what I mean when it's done. on 9/2/03 2:54 am the person going by the name EggyToast at eggy@eggytoast.com spake :
quoted 42 lines At 03:14 PM 2/8/2003 -0800, you wrote:> At 03:14 PM 2/8/2003 -0800, you wrote: >> Oh please, dont be so extreme. Most people don't have the time to sit >> there looking for every latest and greatest release on soulseek; people >> who spend a lot of time buy a shitload as well, much more then an average >> consumer. I can spend a week every night obsessively downloading >> everything from soulseek for hours, (I go through these phases) and still >> I buy stuff I couldnt find or want more of or is on a certain label i like. >> >> There aren't that many anal fucks who go buy CD's and actually take the >> time to rip them and return them, and we all have a ton of music we have >> purchased with one or no good tracks that lays there in the dust. >> >> Something seems vaguely familiar... hasnt a discussion like this already >> occurred not too long ago? We go in cycles, yes we do. :) > > Very much so. Usually whenever Soulseek has an outage and those reliant on > it overreact :) Granted, it started as an IDM-centric network and still > sports quite a bit of chat-based activity, so at least there's a community. > > But yeah. I don't buy a lot of music lately, and the music I download > reflects that. Meaning that I hardly ever download anything. > > For every person who uses it to pad their collections and feels that > everything should be free, there are likely 2 people who use it for > research and buy a large portion of what they enjoy. > > (taht reminds me that i need to buy those prefuse releases!) > > derek > > ------- > eggytoast.com > ------- > coming soon: eggtastic.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: idm-unsubscribe@hyperreal.org > For additional commands, e-mail: idm-help@hyperreal.org > >
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