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but have you heard his album cornbrail acid? Just imagine he's called beatcock instead? ;) On 25 March 2018 at 18:27, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote:

quoted 180 lines there’s also a line between saying “well that’s distasteful” and digging

> there’s also a line between saying “well that’s distasteful” and digging > around for outrage to start an online campaign to harass someone to change > their name > > > On 25 Mar 2018, at 19:22, Chris Taylor <christaylor415@gmail.com> wrote: > > Someone choosing to market their music by referencing domestic violence > displays a callousness, immaturity and desperateness for attention that > unfortunately is pretty common within "extreme" music and a sizable chunk > of online behavior. > > I think it's worth pointing out and not supporting dudes like this, even > if it upsets people who are invested in shielding such artists from > critique. > > > > On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 1:03 PM, 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Nat, for me, your sentiment is appreciated. I just think it's best not to >> give narcissistic provocateurs what they want-- our attention. It empowers >> them. >> >> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:56 AM, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>> You guys are totally right in calling me out (to a certain extent). >>> >>> I think I'm caught up in what's going on here in the States and feeling >>> very fired up. >>> >>> You're right, I do need to take a deep breath. >>> >>> So, I'll just say this (reiteration): the artist title "beatwife" is >>> literally normalizing that it is OK for men to beat up their wives. >>> >>> I, personally, don't want violence against women to continue to be >>> normalized and it makes me sad that artist names like this are still being >>> used >>> >>> I'm also, again, disappointed that others don't seem to agree. >>> Sure, I might have come on a little strong, but we need to call hate >>> when we see it, I believe., >>> >>> love you all and thanks for hearing me out!!! >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* 22tape <22tape@gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 25, 2018 12:47 PM >>> *To:* Zombiefly >>> *Cc:* Juho Hietala; IDM List >>> *Subject:* Re: beatwife podcast >>> >>> Don't give provocateurs oxygen by acknowledging their existence, or else >>> they win, and even become president. Treat provocateurs like you would >>> a child who is throwing a tantrum-- ignore them. They hate that... and >>> eventually shut up. >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 9:42 AM, Zombiefly <zombiefly@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> in all the years i've been on this list, i've never ever seen anything >>> as pathetic as this particular email thread. >>> Emailing him to change his name? you're fucking kidding right? holy >>> shit. close yourself down immediately, nat hawks >>> >>> On 25 March 2018 at 17:40, Juho Hietala <hietala@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> dude. don’t be a self righteous dick. >>> >>> >>> On 25 Mar 2018, at 18:34, nat hawks <natbot@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> (SORRY ABOUT MULTI-POSTING, but got a weird bounce-back email and wanted >>> to make sure this got through.) >>> >>> There is sea change happening in updating the ways we perceive certain >>> groups. >>> >>> >>> historically, I have always found this to be an intelligent (sorry) and >>> open-minded group, but to be honest, I'm a disappointed with many people's >>> response. >>> >>> >>> No one is saying someone with a sad, ignorant name like this should be >>> 'banned.' Though if I was a festival or venue or label I wouldn't touch a >>> person with this detestable name. >>> >>> >>> What I think should be obvious is that the name 'beatwife' is >>> normalizing violence against women. Violence against women is a horrid, >>> world-wide crisis that has been going on since the dawn of time and it is >>> now in our power >>> to limit it, but we need to see how out-in-the-open it is. >>> >>> >>> 'hang black' 'kill fags' ... ha ha... no. stupid, ignorant, >>> unacceptable. yes, someone dope can use this name, sure. but they need to >>> know that it's offensive, and if you aren't offended you are part of the >>> problem. >>> >>> >>> maybe it's because i have a daughter... maybe it's because i'm a >>> highschool teacher of young women who have been the victims of violence >>> against them and seen what it does to their lives. >>> >>> >>> VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN IS FUCKING HORRIBLE. >>> >>> >>> 'BEATWIFE' is an UNACCEPTABLE name. >>> >>> this person needs to know this, his label needs to know this. >>> >>> >>> SHAME on orb magazine for supporting this artist. hell, SHAME ON >>> BANDCAMP FOR NOT DELETING HIS ACCOUNT. I'm going to contact both avenues >>> now regarding this >>> >>> >>> The time to look the other way with this sort of shit is over. >>> >>> It's not OK. >>> >>> >>> and to state what should also be obvious, electronic music has struggled >>> against being a boy's club also for way too long... shit like this does >>> not help. >>> >>> >>> imagine being a female electronic music artist and reading the >>> discussion happening here. imagine how unsupported you would feel. if i >>> was a female i would tell all who can't accept the obvious evils here to >>> @#$#$^#@. >>> >>> I just emailed this to his label... >>> >>> >>> "it recently came to my attention that you have an artist named BEATWIFE >>> on your roster. This is a disgusting, unacceptable name. >>> >>> PLEASE ASK HIM TO IMMEDIATELY CHANGE HIS NAME. >>> >>> Violence against women is horrible and this 'play on words name' is not >>> funny. >>> >>> If you don't force him to change his name or drop him YOU ARE PART OF >>> THE PROBLEM. >>> >>> please stop helping to normalize violence against women. >>> >>> THANK YOU! Peace." >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> not sent from an iDevice >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> 22tape/jared dunne >>> listen <http://22tape.com/> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> 22tape/jared dunne >> listen <http://22tape.com/> >> > > >

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